Chuck, I don't think what your seeing is abnormal. In fact, I believe that of the liberals on JU, only a small number are Obama ideologues. I'm sure many don't want to hear "I told you so", and that's not what conservatives should be saying. We have this Congress and administration for the next one and three years respectively, so their is plenty of time for liberals to push an agenda. If anything we owe conservative and moderate Democrats a great deal for standing up to their party bosses and not allowing these monstrous spending bills to pass. Although the liberal press blames the Republicans, they are helpless to prevent anything that most Democrats want to push through.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take my Obama/leftist shot from time to time, it goes with the territory. But I'm trying to keep it on his policies and not the man (his experience, appointments and associations make this difficult to do). I didn't like the personal attacks with Bush, and don't see much point in returning the favor. You'll see liberals return when good things start happening. I want unemployment to decrease and the economy to improve. I'm not so spitefully that I want bad things to happen just to discredit this president (many on the left did that with Bush). We can debate the cause and effects of a recovery on its own merits.

Like conservatives, liberals believe they have the best interest of the country at heart too. We just have two entirely different ways of getting there. My main concern is the liberal's watchdog like behavior during the Bush administration (and I believe it helped keep things honest) is now somehow muted under the dazzle of this administration. These forces are still trying to gain greater control over the people, just less people are watching now. The only thing I could say is stay vigilant no matter who is in office, now is no time for a break, corruption should be everyones concern and so should the preservation of the Constitution. It has worked for us all this many years, don't let anyone change that, friend or foe.

Interesting statement.  And I agree.  A key difference however is that we dont have to "want".  History and experience has taught us that the bad things are self inflicted and as you noted, there is not a thing conservatives can do about it.  So while I dont WANT things to happen, I know they will.  But I knew that over a year ago. 

As with any lesson in life, the one learned through experience is the one well remembered.  I do remember Carter (most liberals ignore that era, conveniently forget it, or were not around).  And with age comes wisdom.  I saw later in life that Reagan was not electable in 76, but as we know won in a landslide in 80 (even with a 3rd party trying to draw off his voters).

So it will be in 10 and 12.  Conservatives are already making a statement - from the 23rd in NY to the Fla Senate race to Virginia.  it takes time, and perhaps more years of liberals to turn the tide.  It will turn.  But like goldfish, the electorate has a short memory so it will not last.  But just because they will once again gain control does not mean we have to accede to their way of doing things like bush did.

They hate Bush, not because he was a Reagan, but because he was not a liberal, and yet did a lot they agreed with.  outside of lemings, Liberals are probably the only species left that purposefully cut off their nose to spite their face.

Sage advice Doc... on par of what I expect from you.

See Chuck just rub your magic liberal lamp and one will appear!

Hey, I see Lucas is still around.  Names changed, but still the empty headed adolescent idiot from many names and years.  Why Alderic, lewis?  Are you channeling Ted kennedy now?

The short answer is they do not use their brains.  They spout talking points - like you do, bleat like sheep whatever the leaders tell them is the mot-du-jour - like you do, and fail to think rationally.  They feel a lot.  They feel your pain and want all the hurt to go away, so they take the simplistic approach to life with simplistic solutions that make them feel better, but do no good (and indeed usually do a lot of harm).  They never think things through.  They are kind of like animals in that regard.  Never thinking about reprecussions of their actions, just living in the present.

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I've been doing some reading and writing and I've come to accept that I am in fact liberal when it comes to the foundations of my beliefs; that said, I have no qualms over reaching across the spectrum and working with others (and I mean real give/take problem solving compromise, not how either party defines it...). Being liberal though, doesn't mean that I will support the Democratic Party. I feel they've really become corrupt and perverse.

(Oddly enough, I want the health care bill, in its current form, to fail.)

~AJ

Dont you mean meh Lucas?  Look, dont con me.  I have been around and seen enough of your manifestations to know you when I read you.  I did not have to read much to see the similarity, so I started digging.  Seems strange that your latest manifestation started right when the last one left JU (according to JU), that you write with the same air head ideas (I did not insult you, I merely described you), and new account was created from the same IP address.

now you may be lucas Jr, or Mrs. Lucas, or the superliberal, or anyone else you pretend to be.  But dont con a con man.  I just noted your presence so I can ignore your comments for the waste of space they are.  You are free to make as many as you want, but I dont have to waste my time on them.  Be well and have fun.

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1) As with Bush, I'm giving Obama a bit of time to see what  he does before I completely make  up my mind. I was actually pro-Bush and pro-Republican until shortly after the Iraq war revealed there were no WMD's and the entire invasion was not necessary and was instead, built on a pack of lies.

2) I'm not "pro-democrat" in fact I haven't been since 1994. Anyone who cares about the working class should have left the democratic party then when they effectively stabbed your middle class in the back with NAFTA (which by the way, neither Bush 2 nor Obama have done anything about and have only encouraged.

3) Liberal does not necessarily mean democrat. For example, Cindy Sheehan ran for office directly against Nancy Pelosi. I would have much preferred it if she had beaten Pelosi. There are only a few "democrats" that I consider to be actual liberals, Kucinich is one of them. On the Republican side, I would have been much  happier if Ron Paul had run for office. But, above all of them I'm more a supporter of Nader than anything else.

4) From what I've seen thus far, Obama is actually little different from Bush. In fact, at the core he's doing all the same things Bush did with a few minor differences like the window-dressing topics of abortion, gun control and so forth.

Economically his policies are just as rotten as Bush's were and he's just as beholden to major corporate interests as Bush was. So he's going to raise taxes on the well to do by a tiny amount, big whoop. He's certainly  not going to "soak the rich" like Roosevelt or Eisenhower did, as with all things Obama does his policies are geared towards -appearing- to care for the average guy while in reality he's just as beholden to the same interests Bush was. Most of his credibility went out the window when he expanded the Afghanistan war.... in my opinion, he should be pulling all of your troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and closing down overseas bases that aren't necessary.

Arty, if one were to listen to the media, WMD's would have been the entire reason for going to war in Iraq, but that is just, if I may us Al Gore's word's, an inconvenient truth. Saddam, was in violation of a number of UN resolutions, more than one of which mandated a military response. Europe which can talk a good talk, has very little will to back up its words. The WMD's was only the cherry on top of the cake (I listed those resolution a long time ago /w link, I don't care to find them again, but they are out there). IMO Saddam should have been removed during the first Gulf War. His actions warranted it, but we didn't want to hurt any Arab sensibilities. How many Iraqis died under Saddam and his sons sadistic regime in those 12 years? Plenty. These is the problems one has when they do half the job. I believe the Iraqi's today, despite some lingering violence, have a much brighter future because of US action.

That may be so, but now the same folks that railed Bush are quiet when Obama does the same things, on a much grander scale. Right and wrong are not interchangeable.

Oh yes they are; as long as there are different religions - right and wrong, fact and truth, are interchangeable and relative.

But Nitro, does that give us the right to interfere in other people's affairs? Would you like it if another country assumed (albeit arrogantly) that they had the right to get involved in our affairs?

Sorry, but I just have issues with that notion.

So many folks have conveniently forgotten that Iraq fired missiles and AA at our planes on an almost daily basis while our planes were inforcing a UN-mandated no-fly zone.  There were a number of reasons that we went into Iraq, WMD was NOT one of them.  Bush clearly stated on more than one occasion that Hussein was in the process of trying to acquire WMD and that the rest of the world could not wait around for him to get them. 

I am not bored.  I am pissed.  It is not boring to watch a band of political thugs do so much damage to this country that by the time a more conservative regime takes over, it may be too late to recover from the nasty mess that has been created.

If people don't pull their heads out of their fourth point of contact, this country will be is such sorry shape it will not be able to "interfere" in other countries' affairs...then we will see how restrained those other countries will be in meddling in OUR affairs.

BFD-

I don't think the U.S should be in the position to militarily interfere with any country, unless of course they are a beligerint who has declared war on you. Armies exist to defend a nation, -NOT- to garrison a planet and act as a rapid reaction force for the oil companies when one of the local strongmen decides to get uppity and go off-script.

But, don't worry. In a few more years your nation simply won't be able to afford it's network of hundreds of bases that exist outside of your borders and coupled with the fact that more than 60% of your energy is being imported from foreign sources, if you don't find a way to get off the oil and the coal you'll be in a world of hurt.

And why were they saying this?  YOu brought it up, now tell the whole truth.

A lot of us do as well.  Just not enough.  And it is a game of chicken.  The first side that breaks will lose in the short term.