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Wincustomize.com Promotions

Wincustomize.com Promotions

How They Work And Why. A History.

 

from Patrick Ford
Wincustomize Access    5/06/2001 2.54am
Hi Jafo,

Just letting you know that the admins at WinCustomize have voted to raise
your access to Master (Congratulations).  Just so  you are aware you will
need to log off and log back on again in order for your access level to be
properly updated.

Sincerely,
Patrick Ford (T-Man)
 
When Wincustomize.com was founded following the untimely demise of skinz.org at the hands of eFront in early 2001, Frogboy [and several others] had seen the need for a more stable foundation for the skinning Community, a group who had been constantly disrupted by closures/failures of the then 4 or 5 major public skinning sites.

The first skinning-specific site to come online was Customize.org....which went offline for almost a year to redefine/renew itself.  Deskmod suffered what was described as a catastrophic database loss.  Deviantart was new and promising, under the direction of Jark but the focus was more than skinning and ultimately skinning was quite 'secondary' to the more established Art forms/media.  The alternate shell [Litestep] sites were lucky to be up from one week to the next, and finally skinz.org ....fell victim to a dot-com advertising on-seller whose ethics were publicly shown to be far less than ideal [though it was entertaining].  There were [and still are] smaller sites devoted to skinning, however their 'market reach/penetration' was, and still is quite small.

Thankfully [for us all] Stardock/Frogboy came to the rescue and Wincustomize.com was born.  She has since proven over the following 8 years to have underlined a new standard in longevity and reliability.  Skinning's Community now had a place it could call HOME.
Being a Community site, IE a site for both skinners and users alike, it was a bold move on Stardock's part to engage in what some detractors saw as 'elitism' but what we know now as the "Wincustomize Promotions".

A site such as Wincustomize is not going to be the same thing to/for everyone.  Some will see it as the staging ground showroom for their craft [skins] whilst others will be involved only to access/download whatever others have offered for download.
Different degrees of involvement really meant that not everyone really was/is created equal, not in the microcosm that is skinning's Wincustomize, so User Levels were set up.
Citizen, Apprentice, Master Apprentice, Journeyman, and Master.

There are others, eg. Exiled, Visitor, Wizop, and Admin, however they are more to do with the 'running' of the site.

Currently there are around 3.8 Million  people who have registered with Stardock/Wincustomize and [as was always intended/expected] the vast majority are 'Citizens'.

So.  How does one get beyond that basic User Level?

Involvement.  [yep, simple as that].

Many [most] people will see and use the site as a resource, downloading content to improve/alter the appearance of their systems.....

....but others will get the itch to maybe look under the hood and find out how to do it all themselves.  They may hop onto the forum/s with a query....and just never leave.
In the end their nick becomes commonly noticed [hopefully in a good way] and the site Admins/Wizops will propose them for advancement. Once this process has repeated itself a few times a User can find himself promoted to 'Master'.

What is naturally expected from this process is that each subsequent level achieved is reflected by a similarly elevated attitude/devotion towards Wincustomize and its Community, so much so that fairly recently [in the site's history] it was considered only appropriate that the Dedication of the Masters towards the site be rewarded with an opportunity to benefit commercially via the Master Skin sales.
By and large this whole process has been shown to be quite successful.  There is almost never a 'reversal' of promotion [such would be an indication of poor judgement on our part].

So, what does all this mean to the casual/new User?

When someone first comes to the site he/she may find "Journeyman Jones" to be a quaint/odd affectation.... but will soon be aware that these senior levels is where one is likely to get the 'best' guidance within the skinning [and Community] environment, as it's not about User ID Numbers [being low] but more about User Ranking [a truer reflection of Community/site
 involvement/interaction].

Yes, old/founding site members [UserIDs in the teens] may still be at Citizen level....and 'new' members with UserIDs in the three-millions may be Masters already, as it is all about what you do, not about how long you have done it.

So...."How do I get promoted?  I want to sell my skins one day"

Well...asking won't help, as won't becoming an Admin/Wizop groupie....;)

All you need to do is show a committment to skinning, and a respect and appreciation for all your fellow skinners/enthusiasts/users....:)
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Reply #51 Top

I've lost track of who is and isn't talking to me anymore.

Well, you haven't spoken to me since I put the Glen Beck logo on your coffee cup. ;P

Are you holding a grudge? :grin:

Reply #52 Top

Brad, I am a little upset now.  I told you about opening that domain before I opened it, and your response was "It is not a domain name that matters, it is what is on the site..." or something close to that, so I did not think you really cared. I doubt seriously if the new site I opened only a couple of weeks ago will ever amount to anything, I am basically testing the waters and it probably will not stay live any way.  It was never intended to be competition for Wincustomize, and your bringing it up here is callous.  My main site is http://www.lightstar1.com/, not the new site, and you know that.

As far as supporting other products, I support ALL forms of desktop customization, and ALL companies providing services in those areas.  I sell Hyperdesk themes, Windowblinds skins and still a few .msstyles which I am going away from.  I only design Windowblinds skins now, but I support ALL others. If doing this prevents me from getting the title of "Master" on Wincustomize, then so be it. After all, it's only a title and I can never sell any skins on this site anyway.

I support this site and all skinning sites, regardless of whether they promote visual styles (.msstyles) or Windowblinds, and will continue to do so no matter what.  You can keep your "Master" status, I don't care.

I host and maintain five websites, including two sites for vStyler himself, and I ask for nothing in return.  I run Google Ad's on them and Stardock stores for him to provide him and his family with some form of income, albeit small.  I run and manage his sales areas and "take care of business" for him.  So I guess he got a little upset when I kept getting passed over every month, and now I know why.

Just so you know, I was surprised when vStyler told me he posted those initial comments here, I even asked him to edit them and take them off. I guess he had his reasons as stated above though.

It is really sad that I am forced to respond this way, my comments on this site have almost always been positive or constructive. I had no idea I needed to be solely a Stardock and Wincustomize supporter and forget everything else, which is a concept I find quite disturbing now, but evidently you do not.

LightStar: I'm not trying to upset you.  I'm not angry that you have a site called "Wincustomizing.com".  

My concise point is: You've always been Switzerland when it comes to skinning. That is, you're neutral. You support everyone. I think that's great.  But at the Master level, the idea is that that user is a partisan. They've thrown their lot with us.

 

Reply #53 Top

You're "picking a side" so to speak.

I don't pick sides Brad, never have and never will, so can we please just drop this whole issue and get on with things that are important in life, and not this useless drivel?  Desktop customizing and the "community" deserves better. Subject closed, I will never be a Master, and I don't care.  Thank you.

Reply #54 Top

Nice post Po'....

where did that voice of reason come from....?    :\ ;)

Reply #55 Top

I don't pick sides Brad, never have and never will, so can we please just drop this whole issue and get on with things that are important in life, and not this useless drivel?  Desktop customizing and the "community" deserves better. Subject closed, I will never be a Master, and I don't care.  Thank you.

Exactly.  You don't pick sides and that's fine.  I'm simply explaining what the Master access group was created for.

 

Reply #56 Top

I wish I hadn't mentioned it, thought I was doing a nice thing for a good man.  :(

Reply #57 Top

well...it has served to highlight just what he has contributed to the skinning community in general....over many years......an incredible committment......

there are people who are good at blowing their own horns....and there are quiet achievers.......

in the end...status is inconsequential.....when your achievements end up speaking for themselves....it's more important to be true to the path you wish to take......and enjoy it...

thanks Tom, for your contributions to not only our community....but all areas of skinning....what of wealth of knowledge and experience you must have gathered over this time...

Reply #58 Top

Thank you sydney, and all those who support my work, both now and in the past.  :')

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Reply #59 Top

So, if there is someone who we think should be looked at for promotion who do we tell, any mod or admin? Is there a 'formal' way to do it or do we....just tell them?

You can just drop a note to any of the moderators or admins.  :)

 

Reply #60 Top

I've thought for years abuout a more traditional, classical system.  One in which a Master takes on an apprentice

I took you on as my padawan and look what happened...!  ;p

Reply #61 Top

I took you on as my padawan and look what happened...!
It was the pants.  They took me to the other side.

Reply #62 Top

I took you on as my padawan and look what happened...!

Now, now; Obi Wan produced the Dark Lord of the Sith, you know... :grin:

Reply #63 Top

thanks Tom, for your contributions to not only our community....but all areas of skinning....what of wealth of knowledge and experience you must have gathered over this time...

I too have benefitted from Tom's hard work in the skinning world...he recieved nothing and barely got thanked for it.

Tom you may not be master here but you are at the very least,Master of your own destiny...thanks for your help. :thumbsup:

 

First master I ran across was Treetog...I saw the sputnik skins and was instantly hooked on skinning. :d

Reply #65 Top

OMG! Night Train!  YOU'RE BACK!  It's a banner day!!!  Yay!  :inlove:

Reply #66 Top

omg. your right, its him!! hello nt!:inlove:

Reply #67 Top

NT is absolutely correct. Tom's a quiet giver. I.R. is right also. You've got a lot of folks who really care about you, Tom, and in the final analysis, that's what counts.

Reply #68 Top

Tom is a class act! He gives way WAY more than he takes.

 

Amen

Reply #69 Top

Very kind of all of you, thanks, I needed that.  :)

Reply #70 Top

Well written Jafo. ahh them were the days...pumpin out scripts and editing RC files. :typo: ..then there was the wonderful Support emails.."""OMG WTH??? I crashed the shell and i must reinstall windows?  :rofl: :pout: Stupid LiteStep!!!!  you guys broke  my PC!! Help me fix it!!!! grr"""  ... rofl.. ahh the memories. ;P hehe.

 

 

 

 

Reply #71 Top

ahh the memories.

...ahh, the things I missed! :grin:

Reply #72 Top

...ahh, the things I missed!

Hopefully....[before my memory deserts me] I will get together with a few others and pen a 'History of Skinning' sometime.  It will likely be enlightening....and since many skinners are still around from way back the names won't all be alien/obscure...;)

Reply #73 Top

Hopefully....[before my memory deserts me] I will get together with a few others and pen a 'History of Skinning' sometime. It will likely be enlightening....and since many skinners are still around from way back the names won't all be alien/obscure...

 

:thumbsup:

 

I bet a series of articles starting with that one and followed by articles written by the Master skinners talking about what got them into skinning and some of their experiences with not only the skinning itself but also the community would be considered by many around here to be an interesting read and possibly an encouragement to others to continue with/get into skinning ;)

Reply #74 Top

Master skinners talking about what got them into skinning

 

I came for the Pizza... still watin too... :-"

Reply #75 Top

...ahh, the things I missed!

Hopefully....[before my memory deserts me] I will get together with a few others and pen a 'History of Skinning' sometime. It will likely be enlightening....and since many skinners are still around from way back the names won't all be alien/obscure...

Just like, when you enter photography in the digital age, you tend to forget that cameras ever used film.

I think it's always important (or at least interesting) to know one's roots. That would be an interesting read indeed.