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Wincustomize.com Promotions

Wincustomize.com Promotions

How They Work And Why. A History.

 

from Patrick Ford
Wincustomize Access    5/06/2001 2.54am
Hi Jafo,

Just letting you know that the admins at WinCustomize have voted to raise
your access to Master (Congratulations).  Just so  you are aware you will
need to log off and log back on again in order for your access level to be
properly updated.

Sincerely,
Patrick Ford (T-Man)
 
When Wincustomize.com was founded following the untimely demise of skinz.org at the hands of eFront in early 2001, Frogboy [and several others] had seen the need for a more stable foundation for the skinning Community, a group who had been constantly disrupted by closures/failures of the then 4 or 5 major public skinning sites.

The first skinning-specific site to come online was Customize.org....which went offline for almost a year to redefine/renew itself.  Deskmod suffered what was described as a catastrophic database loss.  Deviantart was new and promising, under the direction of Jark but the focus was more than skinning and ultimately skinning was quite 'secondary' to the more established Art forms/media.  The alternate shell [Litestep] sites were lucky to be up from one week to the next, and finally skinz.org ....fell victim to a dot-com advertising on-seller whose ethics were publicly shown to be far less than ideal [though it was entertaining].  There were [and still are] smaller sites devoted to skinning, however their 'market reach/penetration' was, and still is quite small.

Thankfully [for us all] Stardock/Frogboy came to the rescue and Wincustomize.com was born.  She has since proven over the following 8 years to have underlined a new standard in longevity and reliability.  Skinning's Community now had a place it could call HOME.
Being a Community site, IE a site for both skinners and users alike, it was a bold move on Stardock's part to engage in what some detractors saw as 'elitism' but what we know now as the "Wincustomize Promotions".

A site such as Wincustomize is not going to be the same thing to/for everyone.  Some will see it as the staging ground showroom for their craft [skins] whilst others will be involved only to access/download whatever others have offered for download.
Different degrees of involvement really meant that not everyone really was/is created equal, not in the microcosm that is skinning's Wincustomize, so User Levels were set up.
Citizen, Apprentice, Master Apprentice, Journeyman, and Master.

There are others, eg. Exiled, Visitor, Wizop, and Admin, however they are more to do with the 'running' of the site.

Currently there are around 3.8 Million  people who have registered with Stardock/Wincustomize and [as was always intended/expected] the vast majority are 'Citizens'.

So.  How does one get beyond that basic User Level?

Involvement.  [yep, simple as that].

Many [most] people will see and use the site as a resource, downloading content to improve/alter the appearance of their systems.....

....but others will get the itch to maybe look under the hood and find out how to do it all themselves.  They may hop onto the forum/s with a query....and just never leave.
In the end their nick becomes commonly noticed [hopefully in a good way] and the site Admins/Wizops will propose them for advancement. Once this process has repeated itself a few times a User can find himself promoted to 'Master'.

What is naturally expected from this process is that each subsequent level achieved is reflected by a similarly elevated attitude/devotion towards Wincustomize and its Community, so much so that fairly recently [in the site's history] it was considered only appropriate that the Dedication of the Masters towards the site be rewarded with an opportunity to benefit commercially via the Master Skin sales.
By and large this whole process has been shown to be quite successful.  There is almost never a 'reversal' of promotion [such would be an indication of poor judgement on our part].

So, what does all this mean to the casual/new User?

When someone first comes to the site he/she may find "Journeyman Jones" to be a quaint/odd affectation.... but will soon be aware that these senior levels is where one is likely to get the 'best' guidance within the skinning [and Community] environment, as it's not about User ID Numbers [being low] but more about User Ranking [a truer reflection of Community/site
 involvement/interaction].

Yes, old/founding site members [UserIDs in the teens] may still be at Citizen level....and 'new' members with UserIDs in the three-millions may be Masters already, as it is all about what you do, not about how long you have done it.

So...."How do I get promoted?  I want to sell my skins one day"

Well...asking won't help, as won't becoming an Admin/Wizop groupie....;)

All you need to do is show a committment to skinning, and a respect and appreciation for all your fellow skinners/enthusiasts/users....:)
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Reply #26 Top

Interesting read

Reply #27 Top

Nobody wants to talk to you...

I can tell when I have my messenger opens. All the little green buttons turn red so quickly.

We bought new cell phones and my wife felt it necassary to add contacts to mine. She felt I was 'lacking'. I was asked why all my 'WC Freinds' weren't in my contacts.

I forgot where I was going with this.

Reply #28 Top

I'd like to say this, according to this post and the official description for the all the levels I would like to put forward my best words on behalf of LightStar (Tom) for promotion to Master.. a member for 7 years, over 35 windowblinds posted to Wincustomize and including his VS's almost 250 overall windows themes (prolific), always as helpful as he can be in the community, owns several customization sites accross the spectrum and been in integral in the development of other commercial skinning ventures, he has fostered other skinners behind the scenes for years.

In addition personally, If it weren't for him I wouldn't be where I am today, as a skinner, a dad or a person. Heck I may not even have a home if it weren't for him, I most certainly wouldn't be skinning.

He has helped me more than any one person should have over many years and I feel it would be wonderful for him to finally get the ultimate recognition from the community for all he has done.

If anyone is deserved of the position..he is.

Just my 2c on it all.

 

Thanks for everything Tom and good luck buddy.

Reply #29 Top

here here! .......he certainly is an exceptional member.... :)

 

Reply #30 Top

Recommending another user for promotion is of course free for anyone to do, but is not a guarantee that said user will make it onto the promotion-list.
As far as I know, it hasn't happend yet, so far.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.
If a user is put up for Master promotion, Stardock steps in and 'validates' if the user is ready for this promotion.

Reply #31 Top

I understand fully and don't feel I should have any sway, nor do i expect it.

I do believe good begets good.

Reply #32 Top

Recommending another user for promotion is of course free for anyone to do, but is not a guarantee that said user will make it onto the promotion-list.

As far as I know, it hasn't happend yet, so far.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.

If a user is put up for Master promotion, Stardock steps in and 'validates' if the user is ready for this promotion.

k6  

 

sorry i forgot to mention you fuzzeh!!!! you are my master vulcan^_^

Reply #33 Top

fantastic post jafo .....

i think "adni18" is missing here ......... :)

Reply #34 Top

I'd like to say this, according to this post and the official description for the all the levels I would like to put forward my best words on behalf of LightStar (Tom) for promotion to Master.. a member for 7 years, over 35 windowblinds posted to Wincustomize and including his VS's almost 250 overall windows themes (prolific), always as helpful as he can be in the community, owns several customization sites accross the spectrum and been in integral in the development of other commercial skinning ventures, he has fostered other skinners behind the scenes for years.

From the rules:

Masters 

These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize. A Master can do everything a Journeyman can do plus they can nominate and vote on users to be promoted.

 

LightStar's website: http://www.wincustomizing.com/

Now, I personally like Lightstar. However, for years, he has straddled the fence between WinCustomize and anything/anyone that competes with it.  First it was TGT Soft and now it's The Skins Factory.  I don't begrudge him doing that but it certainly would keep him from being a Master.  

Someone who is a Master should be someone who has made WinCustomize their home or, at the very least, hasn't set up competing sites that use domain names that are nearly the same in order to sell competing products.

 

Reply #35 Top

Well, it is your site and It makes sense now at least why he hasn't been promoted, I honestly doubt the small income income it produces really makes any difference to the day to day fininces of Stardock and I'm positive nothing was done out of malice but on principle I understand.

It's a pity it seems to have negated all the good he's done. :-|

Reply #36 Top

there are some wikked masters around, here are the ones i know of:

boxxi

treetog

mikeb

starone

essorant

irbrainiac

20f3

there are probably heaps more, but im thinking of wb skinners.......

 

and Z71.... SK...& dani....  :|

 

 

I would assume that it would be a rare circumstance for someone to be demoted. Has it ever happened?


No, not yet...



Edit: well, I've just been corrected by a fellow mod. We have demoted one user (Journeyman) once, for 1 month, and re-promoted again.

 

seems Night Train is now showing  Journeyman...

Reply #37 Top

Yes.  If a "master" changes their username, and removes all their skins.  I think that's an indication they don't want to be around WC and therefore status removed.  :)

Reply #38 Top

These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize. A Master can do everything a Journeyman can do plus they can nominate and vote on users to be promoted.

I think Jafo forgot to mention who actually is in charge of the promotions, which is only the moderators and siteadmins.

I was always under the impression that masters got to vote on the promotions, and if it passed, that person got promoted...now I see it's the mods and admin only. I'm confused. Can someone explain how that process actually works?

Reply #39 Top

I was always under the impression that masters got to vote on the promotions, and if it passed, that person got promoted...

I'm confused as well. I thought when you reached Journeyman or Master you could nominate folks for any promotion. I thought Masters got to vote.

 

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Reply #40 Top

Ive nominated a few people, never been asked to vote on them nor have any other Masters I know come to think of it.

Reply #41 Top

Xiandi brings up a question that I was curious about as well.

Reply #42 Top

History of Promotions - part deux.

For many years [before the current monthly promotion announcements], promotions were relatively hit-miss, mostly being done by yours truly.

I received suggestions from, in particular, Good Morphing and later WOM, and, if the suggested people didn't set off alarm bells in my recollections [for some nefarious misdeed] then they were quietly approved....with no fanfare.

Looking back at that practice its main problem was its narrowness of scope....and quite a few people went unnoticed [squeeky wheel syndrome], along with the lack of public recognition/awareness that anyone had been promoted at all.

The current monthly promotions announcement is more formalized, with an Admin thread for suggestions/feedback that sees everyone's input so there's little chance of someone being overlooked.

At each level up the 'ladder' it is expected there is a commensurate increase in devotion/committment towards Wincustomize.com, so that by the time Wincustomize/Stardock is rewarding a Master with the opportunity for financial benefit he/she is [should be] virtually joined at the hip with the site.

I made 'Master' in June, 2001 .... [pretty sure I wasn't the first], but committment had me end up as an Admin.... but I'm sure no-one's expecting quite THAT amount of devotion, but certainly at least as much as your fellow Masters demonstrate...:)

 

Reply #43 Top

Anyone can nominate someone for promotion.  The voting part was never implemented and should have been removed from the description.

 

Reply #44 Top

I've thought for years abuout a more traditional, classical system.  One in which a Master takes on an apprentice (or apprentices) and makes it their business to teach them everything they know about skinning.  Then, when the apprentice and master think that the apprentice is ready, that apprentice makes his "master piece" and submits it to the other masters. It's like a thesis, ya know?

If the masters all approve of the apprentices portfolio of work including that super-special master-piece then that apprentice would become a master.

I think that a system like that would have it's own set of issues.  Some would be self-correcting and some would not.

The systems we had and have work very well for this community though and have grown organically to fit the site as it's evolved over time.  I expect that, like all good things, it will continue to change, slowly, and with purposeful thought.

Reply #45 Top

LightStar's website: http://www.wincustomizing.com/

Now, I personally like Lightstar. However, for years, he has straddled the fence between WinCustomize and anything/anyone that competes with it. First it was TGT Soft and now it's The Skins Factory. I don't begrudge him doing that but it certainly would keep him from being a Master.

Someone who is a Master should be someone who has made WinCustomize their home or, at the very least, hasn't set up competing sites that use domain names that are nearly the same in order to sell competing products.

Brad, I am a little upset now.  I told you about opening that domain before I opened it, and your response was "It is not a domain name that matters, it is what is on the site..." or something close to that, so I did not think you really cared. I doubt seriously if the new site I opened only a couple of weeks ago will ever amount to anything, I am basically testing the waters and it probably will not stay live any way.  It was never intended to be competition for Wincustomize, and your bringing it up here is callous.  My main site is http://www.lightstar1.com/, not the new site, and you know that.

As far as supporting other products, I support ALL forms of desktop customization, and ALL companies providing services in those areas.  I sell Hyperdesk themes, Windowblinds skins and still a few .msstyles which I am going away from.  I only design Windowblinds skins now, but I support ALL others. If doing this prevents me from getting the title of "Master" on Wincustomize, then so be it. After all, it's only a title and I can never sell any skins on this site anyway.

I support this site and all skinning sites, regardless of whether they promote visual styles (.msstyles) or Windowblinds, and will continue to do so no matter what.  You can keep your "Master" status, I don't care.

I host and maintain five websites, including two sites for vStyler himself, and I ask for nothing in return.  I run Google Ad's on them and Stardock stores for him to provide him and his family with some form of income, albeit small.  I run and manage his sales areas and "take care of business" for him.  So I guess he got a little upset when I kept getting passed over every month, and now I know why.

Just so you know, I was surprised when vStyler told me he posted those initial comments here, I even asked him to edit them and take them off. I guess he had his reasons as stated above though.

It is really sad that I am forced to respond this way, my comments on this site have almost always been positive or constructive. I had no idea I needed to be solely a Stardock and Wincustomize supporter and forget everything else, which is a concept I find quite disturbing now, but evidently you do not.

Reply #46 Top

Anyone can nominate someone for promotion
 So, if there is someone who we think should be looked at for promotion who do we tell, any mod or admin? Is there a 'formal' way to do it or do we....just tell them?

Reply #47 Top

I'm not looking up the quotes, I think every one here has seen them at least once.....so..

It has always been my understanding since the 'Master' title came into existance, that part of what was looked for was the skinners over all contribution and participation to the 'entire' skinning community. I took this to mean involvement in other sites and their reaching out to other skinners. Personally, my contact with Lightstar has been almost non existant. (My own personal issues about bugging people that are so talented and obviously busy) but from my own observation, he has more than emulated all that is good about the skinning community consistantly.

I can also see where there could be an issue with the name of the new site.

I would like to think that if there was someone deserving of the Master title, Stardock would not only be anxious to promote that person but would reach out to them if all that was holding it up was a minor issue that could be resolved.

I would also like to think that they would reach out to any one that was showing the potential to become a Master and offer what ever support, advise, or guidance they could. Some times folks just need a nudge in the right direction. They may not know they do, or they may be waiting for one and don't want to ask for fear of appearing they are whining.

 

 

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Reply #48 Top

It has always been my understanding since the 'Master' title came into existance, that part of what was looked for was the skinners over all contribution and participation to the 'entire' skinning community. I took this to mean involvement in other sites and their reaching out to other skinners. Personally, my contact with Lightstar has been almost non existant. (My own personal issues about bugging people that are so talented and obviously busy) but from my own observation, he has more than emulated all that is good about the skinning community consistantly.

I can also see where there could be an issue with the name of the new site.

I would like to think that if there was someone deserving of the Master title, Stardock would not only be anxious to promote that person but would reach out to them if all that was holding it up was a minor issue that could be resolved.

 

Wholehearted k6

 

btw, u can bug me anytime, I'm always busy but never too busy to help if I can.

Reply #49 Top

btw, u can bug me anytime, I'm always busy but never too busy to help if I can.

Are we talking? I've lost track of who is and isn't talking to me anymore.

Reply #50 Top

Well, it is your site and It makes sense now at least why he hasn't been promoted, I honestly doubt the small income income it produces really makes any difference to the day to day fininces of Stardock and I'm positive nothing was done out of malice but on principle I understand.

It's a pity it seems to have negated all the good he's done

It's not about negating. I like Lightstar as you know.

But when one becomes a Master, the idea is that one is throwing in their lot with us.  You're "picking a side" so to speak.