Tough love for Object Desktop

For many years, Object Desktop was synonymous with the phrase “What the next version of Windows might have in it.”

The first Windows version, released way back in 1999, introduced GUI skinning, ZIP files being treated as folders, the Control Center.

In fact, here’s a screenshot of Object Desktop from 1999.

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Object Desktop in 1999

Those features we take for granted now in Windows.  GUI skinning? Windows XP provided that.  ZIP files as folders, old hat now.  A “Sidebar”? Windows Vista users know something about that.  Features like gadgets and widgets and icon changing and other such things were also part of what made Object Desktop so forward thinking.

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Object Desktop in 2009

Object Desktop became extremely popular and its users and Stardock became invested in the feature set that made it so popular.  The problem is that Windows itself has moved on and Object Desktop has to move on too.  That means it’s time for some tough love.

On October 5, 2009, after a nearly 3 year absence, I have returned to being in charge of Object Desktop again.  Being away from the desktop enhancements area has allowed me to take a fresh look at the state of the art in Windows tech, the “Skinning community”, and so forth.  And I must say, there’s a lot of work needed here.

Decisions

After looking at things, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need to make some pretty big changes.

#1 Our focus will be power users. NOT casual users.  For the past 3 years, things like MyColors have focused on casual users. The idea is very sound and I was an early supporter of the concept of MyColors – grow beyond power users into the much larger base of casual users.

The problem is that casual users barely do more than change their wallpaper and they’re not likely to pay $50 (let alone $70 for “ultimate”) to spice up their desktop. 

#2 Make Windows better. Object Desktop was never supposed to become a cosmetic product. The idea was that Object Desktop fixes the things in Windows. Windows was not competitive compared to say the Mac or even Linux visually and Object Desktop helped solve that.  But Windows Vista and Windows 7 look pretty good. Our objective should be to focus on making Windows better overall and there’s plenty of work there.

#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”.  Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.

#4 Content is NOT king. A lot of time, energy, and money was spend making suites and themes these past 3 years.  While many users like the themes, many of them don’t like it coming via MyColors.  MyColors is going to be moved to our enterprise group for license and distribution through our OEM partners.  Mixing and matching the two is not a good idea in my view.  Instead, content will be provided as .suite files that users can then manipulate however they want in Theme Manager.

#5 Sunset programs. There are many programs that we’re going to have to sunset.  What I mean is that new users of Object Desktop won’t get them. People who have Object Desktop already will continue to be able to download them but they won’t be getting updates.  RightClick, Virtual Desktops and ObjectBar will make their way into the sunset.  Others will start to follow soon.

Basically, if a program doesn’t work on Windows 7, 64-bit within the next month, it’ll be sunsetted.  That doesn’t mean that that type of program will go away.  We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better.  We have new ideas for virtual desktops that can make use of WPF and other newer techs.

Now, I know many people reading this will be horrified at some of this.  The focus going forward is going to be Windows 7.  That doesn’t mean users of Windows XP are going to be dropped. They’re not.  But we are going to need to start concentrating our resources on a single platform and that platform is going to be Windows 7.

As a reminder of what kinds of cool stuff we were able to do when we could focus on a single OS:

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Object Desktop in 2002 with “Toon-XP” suite applied

My objective for the next 6 months is to make sure Object Desktop becomes synonymous with cutting edge technology again.  And do that, we will need to make some tough choices and focus our efforts onto doing cool stuff that hasn’t been done before that make using Windows better.

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Reply #1 Top

Good post, Win 7 needs some def. attn... I look forward to it.

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#5 Sunset programs. RightClick, Virtual Desktops and ObjectBar will make their way into the sunset. Others will start to follow soon.

:'(

 

We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better.

\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Looking good, overall, Brad. Very good!

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Sounds like a good plan. Looking forward to it!     :thumbsup:

 

 

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I have to agree with # 2. The visual difference I noticed moving from XP to Vista is like night and day. While XP was a major step forward from its predecessors in many ways, it was still not particularly attractive. Now that I'm working with Vista on a daily basis (at home at least), I find that I'm less inclined to tweak things other than my animated wallpaper. This means that a) I've gotten lazier, b) Vista looks pretty good, or c) both.

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Vista does look pretty good. Still, a change is nice every once in a while.

Couple things I'd like to see:
Sidebar replacement thing for Win 7. As far as I'm concerned, it's like Fences for widgets.
Stack textures/filters in Windowblinds and Deskscapes. You can produce some pretty interesting results already.

 

:fox:

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Most people would never admit that change (updating, upgrading, moving on to new techinology) is always what the future brings, nor will they ever admit they welcome it with open arms.  We so do like what has become familiar mainly because we feel like we know what we are doing.  I know I do.  It is also the best way to get left behind as others move forward.

The above being said, it makes no sense not to take the approach that Frogboy (aka Brad) has laid out.  It can only mean new and more outstanding and fantastic things that the community will be able to customize thier desktops with.

So, if I may be so bold to ask, when will we be able to get a peek at what the future will look like?  Oh come on, just a peek. :sun:

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We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better.

Real good news.......I'd love to help test the alpha's

 

That doesn’t mean users of Windows XP are going to be dropped.

It seems to me that you already have a mature product for XP users. As long as it's available I can't see the need to develop for it.

I will likely be stuck with XP on my office systems until the economy picks up enough for me to afford to upgrade my server and all my seats. It could take some time....the government's busy redistributing my "wealth". At home I've already made the jump to Vista and have pre-orded W7 for my personal laptop & desktop. So bring it on :thumbsup:

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It seems to me that you already have a mature product for XP users. As long as it's available I can't see the need to develop for it.

Agreed.

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I am a casual user and I regularly cough up for your software, including object desktop ultimate. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water
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I can't wait to see what new stuff You guys come up with! :thumbsup:

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Ummmm what about Vista? Its still a pretty common OS as well, and its not like its XP. Especially Vista 64bit.

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Looking forward to 2010.

 

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The good thing about Vista JSpencer2000 is that since Win7 isn't so different from it, I imagine most things for Win7 will work for Vista as well. Its XP that more or less won't get the newest stuff. I'm glad to hear it. I agree that things have gotten rather stale lately and we need to be able to do more than make Windows look pretty. WPF opens up a lot of possibilities as well. Casual users are just that casual (like me). We get involved in spurts, we do not change things on a regular basis, it doesn't take much to make us happy. I would be more willing to use the software though if it could do things I never thought of doing before, or did it better than other methods. Stardock can do this and make them attractive as well, where many companies do not focus on usability.
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I realize that Brad isn't worried about me, but I am not gonna be a happy camper if DX is sunsetted!!!  :NOTSURE: 
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As far as a replacement for Right Click, I know the GUI will be great, this is Stardock after all. I have used a small program for years that has great nuts and bolts related to usage. Unfortunately it does not work in a 64bit environment. If Stardock could take a look at it and maybe incorporate the way it works with the right click it would be great. It is called "Folder Guide". I missed it so much after purchasing a computer with Vista 64bit, I had to purchase Vista 32bit (and dual boot on my computer) just to start using that program again. I, like many others, look forward to forward thinking changes.
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Great to see you back in the drivers seat of the customizing side of things and that there are changes coming.

I do have one question though ......

#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”. Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.

I was just in Impulse and realizing my Object Desktop Ultimate subscription expires on Nov. 24th and was thinking about renewing it now (since there is that survey discount available ;) ) , but I was thinking about just getting Object Desktop not Ultimate since it seems the majority of the apps I mainly use are available without the Ultimate version and the couple that I do use from the Ultimate aren't going to be developed further. But now I'm wondering if I should just wait altogether for the release of Object Desktop 2010.

Anyways does your above statement mean that subscription dates are going to be extended or that if you resubscribe and already have Ultimate you only need to pay for the regular Object Desktop subscription price but will still get updates to the programs in Ultimate if there are any?

 

And apologies for going off topic here but since I was looking at registrations .....on an unrelated note my Wincustomize subscriptions are overlapped. The one I had  was set to expire on 2/2/2010 and then on 3/25 Jafo gifted me a subscription and it now shows my Wincustomize subscription under 2 listings one of which ends 2/2/2010 and one that ends on 3/25/2010 instead of having extended it to 2/2/2011. How would I go about getting this fixed?

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Good news.  I just let me subscription lapse a bit ago myself.  I think if less of the stuff offered in the package was unnecessary, it'd perk up the general opinion of it.

I like Windowblinds but it was never completely stable with my games, which frustrated me.  Having to pay a seperate subscription so I could get more themes is pretty annoying too.

I hope to get back into it with this, but we shall see.  :)

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The good thing about Vista JSpencer2000 is that since Win7 isn't so different from it, I imagine most things for Win7 will work for Vista as well.

Yes, being that Win 7 is modeled on Vista code, most things Stardock are likely to work on each OS.  About the only major difference is the fatter taskbar, but I'm seeing discussion is underway to address the difference, so that WB's will be adaptable to both.  It may come in the form of Vista/Win7 substyles, but I'm confident both OSes will be catered for.

Its XP that more or less won't get the newest stuff. I'm glad to hear it.

Me too!  XP had its day in the sun, time now to develop for Win 7 and the future of Windows/Stardock.  Vista may not have been the OS to replace XP (it had some teething/acceptance issues), but Win 7 is, and future development (for Win 7 and beyond) will be held back if XP is given too much support/attention.  So let's move on, embrace the new tech and lose the dinosaur that is XP.

More/better support for x64 would be most welcome, also... let's unleash the power.

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Now this is news I like to hear.

Can you smell it? It's the future. :)

 

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Quoting zakai1369, reply 17
And apologies for going off topic here but since I was looking at registrations .....on an unrelated note my Wincustomize subscriptions are overlapped. The one I had  was set to expire on 2/2/2010 and then on 3/25 Jafo gifted me a subscription and it now shows my Wincustomize subscription under 2 listings one of which ends 2/2/2010 and one that ends on 3/25/2010 instead of having extended it to 2/2/2011. How would I go about getting this fixed?
[email protected]

 

:fox:

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Well thanks for the comforting there folks haha. And believe me dont get me wrong here. I am keen to get Win 7 when I can. Also I only subscribed to OD U 4 years ago or so and just recently popped back into it. So the timing seems wierd for me with all these new changes when I came back.

This makes me curious on getting a better description for those of us with the Ultimate subs. What was meant exactly by extension and do we have any time frames?

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For anyone who likes Right-click, there already ia a replacement - NextSTART

100% better. Easier to use, easier to configure, uses png files and never crashes.  |-)

 

It works perfectly on anything from Win 95 - Window 7, 32/64 bit

Reply #25 Top

Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"?  ;)