People like to feel important. Recognition brings fulfillment. Disenfranchised people seem to group together, proclaiming the achievements of the group from which they claim to hail as their own, so as to feel important. This occurs not only with "black pride", but also occurs within sub-groups in the white community.

It just doesn’t seem conducive to individual (the only skin your going to live in) self-growth to latch onto an abstract laundry list of past achievements (scientific, cultural, religious, moral) attributed to a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. How dose it improve your particular lot. It sounds like entitlement by proxy (feeling good by way of proxy) to an attainment whose procurement we had nothing to do with. it seems to agitate flames that I had hoped the ashes & ruins of 911 extinguished in this Great Country into which we are blessed to be born. Whaddaya gonna do?

Well, you can't hold Little Whip too responsible. She's had her brain co-opted by this guy:



Assimilate indeed...

In connection with immigration, I believe Bush takes a view frowned upon by many on the right. I believe this is the result of his life experience as a Texan. I lived a spell in San Antonio before 911. Many proud Americans in that neck of the woods (they love the Spurs); many happen to be of Mexican origin, and love, love America too.

Would die for America. In fact, I never met a Hispanic person who did not wish to learn English. In fact, they seem to be first to recognize the benefit of knowing English. Furthermore, plenty of Hispanic Americans speak fluid English and are well assimilated.

As for Texas, I miss the people, Whataburgers and Tom's ribs.

Grim - maybe you are OK with inciting hatred against minorities but some of us aren't. We have a right - a duty - to call out the hatemongers, and you are way out of line telling us to go volunteer. FWIW, I quit my six figure consulting job in 2000 to go volunteer teaching computers in the Third World through the Canadian NetCorps program. You? Frankly, I'm tired of The Nihilists' flippant attitude about people who actually give a shit. But that's another story.

Yes, I am okay with inciting hatred against minorities...NOT.

1. I am Hispanic and will always be Hispanic period.
2. Member of an Anti-Racism Organization since the age of 16 (current age 23 going on 24)
3. Medically Retired from the United States Army - Active Duty
4. Tired of hearing armchair politicians complain about chit when they don't do anything to better the environment (both nature and social) when they espouse to care for it so much.
5. Your attitude of using your volunteer role as way to browbeat people trying to make yourself sound more legitimate and better than others is wrong period.
6. LW has freedom of speech and as I pointed it out to her before when we (her and me) were discussing a related subject and brought up the US Census results, I was able to conclude as she might have, that more people who speak Spanish can speak English than those who can't in the Hispanic minority.
7. Speaking English is common sense in the United States, just like speaking Rome during the Roman Empire, English during the British Empire, Greek when Greece was big (don't forget Macedonia), etc. Personally I find it redundant and waste of our money (US Taxpayer money) to legislate common sense.
8. Next time you want to attack me really think long and hard why you want to and make it over an issue of where I am truly at fault or don't.

What next will you insinuate me of supporting or doing Socialism, Communism, Fascism (though in reality I have the heart of Anarchist but I am sick of poser Anarchist who taken up a left Agenda when Anarchy is the extreme right - no government, extreme left - all government).
Go ahead attack me again if you must, because frankly it will only further to drag this political forum down until people get really upset over the matter.

- Grim

Phil

All I'm saying is that the article should be the issue, not the title.

I was surprised when I opend JU on Thanksgiving and saw that. I know the featured articles get updated, draginol may have been having a holiday, etc. But still. Geez.

drmiller

You don't like it? Then by all means don't read it!

It was the top featured article. It was a little hard to prevent myself from eading the title and feeling pissed about it. But, yeah...I get what you're saying. I try to stear clear of articles on topics like that.

Now, to go off the topic of the thread...
LW

He even dwells on my punctuation?

You've been known to do a little of thins yourself to yours truely...

Myrrander
Very funny...!

LW

Then how come so many of them never bother? Could it be that we've made it too easy for them not to? In all our border states, everything, and i mean everything, is available in both english and spanish, including free education for the children of illegals. If we refused to provide all these things bi-lingually, i think many more would learn english, and do it fast, too.

A question, LW. Do you speak a second language? From my experience, it's intimidating as hell to speak in front of native speakers. When I'm overseas, I generally shut down, speaking as little as possible because I get so shy about it. I bother, but it's feakin' hard! I think immigrants bother, too. You may just not hear them speak that much, or see them trying to learn. I can assure you, though, they do.

About the bilingual labels and such...
When I was in France, or when I'm looking at menus in other languages, I rely on the bilingual translations to help me understand. I can't imagine how difficult it would be and how confused and frustrated I would be. And they do help me understand more French in the long run. The translations provide infomation, but the English is right next to the French. I start to pick up new vocab just from the association. It helps, not hurts. Taking that away would be a horrible idea. It wuoldn't help people learn English faster. There is English everywhere. Just listening to English speakers in life helps more than anything else.

'Mr St Hubbins' obsession with me goes far beyond picking on my spelling and punctuation, (or lack of it.) The man is sick in the head.'

Coming from a terrorist, I'll give this all due consideration. And a terrorist is what you are, Little Whip. See if you can follow the logic:

-The KKK is a terrorist organization. They fit the textbook definition of a terrorist group to a T: bombings, lynchings, and terrorizing civillians in order to advance their sicko agenda.
-You are a 'former' member of the Klan.
-Generally, we refer to members of terrorist groups as 'terrorists'.
-I don't buy that people can be 'former' terrorists, or that joining a terrorist organization out of fear is a legitimate excuse. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist in my book, and I don't care why you joined.
-Ergo, you are a terrorist.

The enemy is among us? You're right. And it's you.

Cheers,
David St. Hubbins

David St. Hubbins
I realize that we may agree politically on some issues, although it's hard to tell. I hope you read and comment on people threads here. On the other hand, I've seen almost this exact posting from you around JU. I think we are well aware of LW's past. I know you have other important things to say stewing around in your head. Say them instead. It will probably be more inspiring for us all.