Also what do you mean specifically? Are you saying you want the rankings to work or that you want the games to be recorded more accurately before they're shown in-game.

If it's the former I think the solution is to just show win/loss along with rankings, if rankings are even shown at all. As was said here there's plenty of apparant anomalies in the ranking system but we can deduce a player's approximate skill level well enough by win percentage anyawy. It's not like we need real precision anyway, we just need a way to get games balanced enough to have real fights.

If it's the latter I think you're overestimating the inaccuracies of the system. The host quitting exploit should be fixed before 1.2 goes live anyway and even if you only record 70% of a player's games you would still get a clear enough picture of their skill level to know if they're going to get blown up 10 times in the first 5 minutes and ruin the game.

The bold part isn't true. Right now we've got a ton of different players / groups of players who all think they know how to play this game well, but no way to compare to other players conception on playing well, and therefore subjectively classify themselves as pro and other players as either also pro or noob. Classification of other players is significantly based on how similar those other player's conception of playing well is to one's own. However, because of the relative lack of high-level games (read: lack of team automatch), wherein different conceptions of playing well would come into conflict, there is very rarely an opportunity to observe and compare the different conceptions. This leads the subjective opinions of pro/noob, but catch is that some of those conceptions are better than others. We just have little way of knowing which ones are which at the present time. 

Despite these subjective difficulties, the OP's point remains. When I'm hosting a game, I now tend to look up each player' record unless I know them already, and if there's something wrong with it, they get kicked. Things that could get you kicked include outrageously low win%, very low total game count, etc. Is this a foolproof method? No. There is a risk I might kick a decent player. But these are calculated risks - the probability that a decent player has such a terrible record is very low, and must be balanced against the probability that the player with a terrible record is indeed terrible. The latter case is far more likely, and threatens to ruin the game for everyone if left unchecked. It would sure help if joining players would help the hosts out by realizing that their record strongly correlates to their own level of gameplay. 

I never trusted room names, except maybe "[region] host" and "all welcome". Though I've been instakicked from even the latter a few times.

In my experience, "pros only" means the host will throw a fit and blame the others if his team loses, and "noobs only" is when the host and his arranged team is looking to win rather than play.

I'm garbage at demigod right now and I'd love to play with and against my own skill level, and will happily find another game if I'm asked to leave due to my noobstats, but going by room names as an indicator of someone's skill levels just doesn't work at all. I guess I should mention that I stay away from any "noobs/pros only" type rooms in the first place, so I'm not bugging anyone who do legitimately name their rooms accordingly.

Meh, you don't need to be so cynical, To. I don't join "noobs only" games, but I find that "pros" games tend to be pretty competitive and just about as respectful to the guy who dies a lot as any other game I find...lol...take that how you will

and what i'm saying is that you're all bad and need to stop joining pro games. if you have an issue with the ranking system, f off, it doesn't matter, your Win/Loss speaks for itself i could give a flying fuck about what rank it says you are. the fact is, i'm just a better player than you.

I should clarify, and I should mention I have not done any research on the current ranking mechanism simply because of the obvious exploits and the resulting lack of interest. If it is displayed in game however, I suddenly do have interest in it recording properly.


However...

If we go by win percentage, there are several common situations which throw off win percentage:

1. Playing pro only games vs. stomping around in noob only games
2. Playing with/against premade teams
3. Exploiting the system either in custom games or by queuing up at the same time in pantheon
4. Experimenting with characters/always playing your best character

If we have a chess ranking system based on some sort of team composite, and based on the particular character you play it solves most of these (as far as I know this is not in the works), but there is still the option of exploiting the system (also no prevention mechanisms in the works).

To top it all off, stats are still not reported accurately.


For someone like me who often plays against premades in pro games, often losing because some noob decided they were pro, will I still be able to join these games? or will I have to go to regular or noob only games and stomp around there for a while? 

get a premade, stop being a nub

by the way many peoples write PRO or med\high skill on title of the game and usually i see there only nubz so as msnt said:stop being nub,get a premade.

im good enough to know i kinda suck, still that does not mean im not better then most who say they are "pro".

my defenition of pro is extremly high, trouble is in this game i only see two skill lvls used pro/noob if you only use 2 skill lvls it is logical noob is 50% and pro is 50% of population. i myself like the term experienced for middle ground then its noob33% experinced 33% and pro 33%. in my opinion the correct usage of the term "pro" should be much less then 33% but in this game i dont see that happening.

i hope you don't see the second as an consequense of the first. and if you don't then you don't need premade to enjoy this game and be helpfull for others in your team.

I totaly agree with you. I would say this game has only just been out long enough for people to start calling themself "pros". I think when (if?) the ranking system is fixed we wont have this problem. We will be able to see the players rank in the lobby and I have a feeling some of the "pros" will find they have a "good" rank rather than a "pro" one.

you terrible fail at logic! that there are only two different skill levels does not imply that they are even distributed!

in fact these titles mostly only want to ensure that no new players, players with a very limited expirience join. these are far less then 50%.

robwild  39 wins 7 loses  so  by the looks of things he is a premade noob  yup ddefiently a premade noob  and he is bitching about noobs  joing his games he really is rerarded

I...............don't think you should talk much.

si1foo always posts like that. He is reluctant to change his behavior.

lol look at my list and see if i play with the same 3 people who are all good (Ie pro premade).  I play most my games with AstarothLBC whose record isn't stunning because we play with friends and puggers and for fun.  And one random PuG player is almost always on my team.  If I'm lucky I might have the friends list show up and work and get someone else I've played a few games with before, most the time not.

As for some of the other posts we don't really need to get into semantics on the word "pro".  All pro means currently is experienced player who isn't a noob.  Good Player and Pro are fairly interchangeable.

wow you're all bad

Rofl calling Rob noob.... have you guys ever actually played with/against Rob? If you have played with/against him you won't say such thing....

And rofl at ladder system completely broken. I am still on top 100 and I have not played this game for three weeks now...

lol good to see you in here wn, too bad your starting to play a lot less.  I have been too as other games are calling me.  Great thing about Demi is no sub fee though, so I can always pop back on.  I haven't given up on the game yet and I still do enjoy it (probably due to playing wayyyyy less games than a lot of other people) but I have cut back lately.  Nice patch of fixes they put out today, hopefully the next big superpatch will fix some of the other big issues.

this

hosted some "pro" and "advanced" games yesterday and there were people joining.... 2 games in total - 0 won, 25games - 7 won, 40games - 12 won, etc.!

i always ask them, if they feel to be in the right game and give them a clue about the title. most of them still want to play! i really dont understand that behaviour.

even if i tell them that my team has more than 200 games per player with a winrate above 75% and i compare them to their statistics, they still want to fight...

in the end i have to kick them or talk them out, cause noone else will stay in the game, if they see my team and see their "pro-mate". or its gonna be a noob-stomp and who wants that?! at least its no fun for me, just boring.

*facepalm.jpg*

u never say premade in ur match names and seeing as ur bitching about people  joining who are shit  then put premade in your name and use the irc to  fight another premade and shut up

Your comments are flames, instead of replying with some I just decided to report you and move on.  I'm sure you enjoy being on an anonymous forum where you can spout off with no consequences, good for you.

If anyone else would like to continue the discussion feel free.  The original point still stands, if certain players are upset that people are playing with their friends in custom games then those same people should support that people who aren't good at the game shouldn't be joining "good players or pro" games.  It works both ways.

robwild u have played your last 10 games with AstarothLBC mostly and catalyst135 Mybones92  shinobinomono and only 2 out of 10 of them had the words pro in  u never say premadeu always play with astaroth  just because your hole team isn't together doesn't mean it isn't a premade so ur bitching that noobs are joining when u  dont have good players  or pros in ur game name

and seeing as u have more N/A games then i care to count i believe it is safe to asume that u are puger  soo shh