That doesn't prove ranking is bugged. The way the ladder is supposed to work is that the more points a player has the more points you get for defeating them, the less a player has the more you should lose for that loss. It would take a really long time to go through your record, but currently you have under 1k points which is why your ranking is so low, and your most recent victories have been against players who are also under 1k so if that's indicative of a large enough portion of your wins then it stands to reason that you would have a hard time getting ahead.

The problem with the ladder is that you start with 1k points and everyone who has an account is ranked, whether they play or not, so you have this massive chunk of 1k players with zero games that deflates the rankings of players under 1k xp.

Regardless a high win percentage isn't sufficient to advance you in the ladder and that's not a bug. If the trend in your games is that you win more than you lose then you should be advancing in rank, but of course without an automated matchmaking system you're not necessarily being matched with and against the correct players so it can be very difficult to get points, which again does not mean it's bugged.

So again I reiterate that a reasonable host would give you a shot if you were confident that you can hold your own againts skilled players, but just because you may be an exception doesn't mean it's a bad rule.

At least the noobs know that Pro's are people who make a living from doing a certain thing and don't just call themselves Pro to make themselves feel superior.

Maybe thats why the join, because they are players, and you are players, and the aim of the game is to play not stroke your E-peen.

Xsive, exactly.

I find it very amusing that merely posting Rob's record and he views it as a personal attack. 

Getting pwned in Pantheon, then focusing on pre-made custom games so you can play poser leetdude and make some thread..

lol Rob plays custom because as of now thats the only way we can play together.

And even though our custom records are custom records they are decent enough to be considered average to good. But when we end up with a player with a 10-55 record(not a joke or exageration), its a little more than annoying especially when the game says "good players".

A good player doesn't have a 15% win ratio. Thats the complaint. And when records are shown in matchmaking it wont be much of an issue anymore. At the very least you'll know what your getting into.

And when team pantheon becomes a reality well that will end custom games for us at least.

Considering that the only thing you posted was his record nothing more, that actually WAS an attack on the validity of his post. Maybe not him as a person I guess, but yea it kind was directed to discredit him.

What do you call it if not a personal attack?

Questioning the validity of his post is not a personal attack. At least you were honest enough to admit that your customs are premades. Good for you.

Are you oblivious to what that term means in video game jargon or just pretending to be?

It is inevitable, anything that can be construed sexually will be. Though I am wondering if the originators did this intentionally to easily identify and thus weed out the rabble.

Average deaths/kills in the first 15 minutes of all games would tell you everything you need to know. Stats be damned.

Someones win % isnt necessarily the be all end all.

I've beaten a really good premade with some other PuGs and when i checked thier records, expecting them to be about the same or better than mine, i found they were well below 40% win ratio. But yes, i dont think bad players need to be joining games titled pro. I dont play those games myself because i dont think i am that good.

Still, i just think stats, broken as they are, arent the defenitive measure of a players ability.

You're a troll Lon, hmm lets see what does this mean:

"getting pwned in pantheon"

Oh lets call that questioning the validity of the original post.  Or lets post some meaningless stats about pantheon when the OP is about not having bad players join pro or good games.  But hey, if you want 15-50 players in your games go right ahead.  I already posted why my panth record is crap, and panth is garbage, but its your favorite mode.  So go right ahead and keep stomping those AI teams, and go right ahead posting in here threads that have nothing to do with the topic.  It amuses me anyway.

1. My record in Panth has nothing to do with the validity of the post.

2. I've said many times in many threads I try to play with players I know, if Astaroth is on that's whom I choose to play with.  Astaroth + Me + PuG player does not constitute what the premade cryers are complaining about.  But I've never hidden the fact I'd rather play with people I know or have played with, that's what you are supposed to do (if you want to).

Again, maybe you enjoy playing against terrible AI in panth, and maybe you like auto leaving in the first few minutes of a quarter of your games when you see the odds are stacked against you or your opponents don't drop or have AI, good for you.  I don't enjoy starting up games with bad game modes, bad teams, constant drops, ai, and no chance to play a multiplayer game with friends.  But you go right ahead, since its obvious you probably don't have any (added a personal attack for you to enjoy since you keep posting here for no reason).

How sure are you that all my customs are premade...

I play 100% custom games and I have a record of 53-37 (58.9%).
And Rob has a record of 36-7 (83.7%)

Hmm....I have 90 games played and Rob has 43 games played yet without knowing anyone else in this game I somehow play premade customs only?

Try again.

you are all bad. stop joining pro games.

It would be nice to see a few more pros in my games.

I would also like to play against more pre-mades with my good mates that can handle it, but if u join and my friends aren't on don't expect a game.

Its funny how the competitive community gets such a huge amount of flame. No one said it was bad to be a casual player, and yet these threads are full of people flaming pro games for the very idea that someone might be good at the game.

 

I join these games just for the pleasure of proving them wrong.

It's not that they are good at the game per sé, it's just that everyone thinks of themself that they are good and anyone not doing it like them therefor is a noob. You might debate semantics here but in real life a pro not only has pro skill but also pro behavior. While perhaps most of you may have one, you usually lack in the other.

As long as there is no working ranking system every classification of a pro is just an opinion, an opinion which is equal to any other player's opinion.

Agreed twif, however there are very obvious cases.  I can't imagine how some of the people that I've seen in "pro" or "good player" games with 50-144 records can say yeah, I'm pro.  I've also witnessed a few like 4-33, honestly how can these people think they are good at the game?  Also I think there is a nice grey area, people with 50% or around that win loss can sometimes be pretty good players, but thats not the people I'm talking about.  There are some very obvious cases most every night.  Try it yourself, host a "pro only" or "good players only" game, check the records of everyone who hits your lobby, you will see some really bad players guarunteed.

no seriously you are all bad why don't you understand that, stop joining pro games you noobs

I think the problem is really lack of games.  If half or more of the games on your list are 'pro' games, and the other half are for countries on the opposite side of the world, then the community is basically saying 'you aren't good enough, you can't play'. I can understand how that must suck for ye olde scrube.

 

That said, when my Prem and I host a game called "Good players, teams ok" it is funny when the entier other team has like, 2 wins AMONG them. (Fastest game in history, our sedna/UB killed all four opposing players in the first wave of attack, then they all rage quit).

This is definitely part of it. People don't understand how ping works in this game and it makes people from different regions unwilling to play with each other. In a way I wish they would just hide pings completely and show a colored indicator with anything 250 and under being green.

I've been kicked by euros time and time again for having 180 ping, and I've never had issues playing with euro players who don't kick me. One time I had, I kid you not, 150 ping and they said I had to leave, to which I responded "it's not an FPS." If their reply weren't founded on such a deep misconception it would actually be quite witty, because almost instantly they responded "it's not chess either" and kicked me.

The total number of games you can play with people right now is really, really artificially deflated because of this. The only region that seems to have legit connection issues with other regions is Autstralia. Asia might have the same problem but I haven't encountered any asian players that I know of (which might just mean it works fine and there was no reason why I would have noticed).

But back to the topic at hand, let's be honest. The majority of players just don't like hosting lobbies and there's not enough mediocre and poor players who are opening them, so the odds of a bad player finding a match with players of similar skill level are slim. These players' unwillingness to open lobbies leads them to join and then ruin quite a number of decent games, which is another reason why we need automatic matchmaking.

Also kudos to the guy who pointed out the absurdity of the people here who think they're doing the people they stomp a favor, like some kind of seemingly cruel kung fu master who hardens his student. If you don't have a goddamn floor length ghost white beard, you're not doing anyone any favors, stop pretending you are.

[/quote]What? You haven't joined a single 'pro,' 'no noobs,' 'experts,' or any other similar game this entire epoch.

 

Yeah I know it's subjective. I don't really know any way to make sure "noobs" don't join "pro" games. I wasn't suggesting any sort of solution, I was just saying that it is frustrating for all the "pro" players involved in a game when some guy joins up who isn't on par with the others and that the Wickedcrusher guy didn't have to come in here callin Robwild an idiot.

Basically I usually see Robwild's games with "no noobs" or "pros" in the title, which means he's being a courteous player and trying to let everyone know that they better expect healthy competition. That usually translates into games taking longer to fill up, so I respect him and his friends for doin that. It kinda sucks though that when a group of good players try to do what the community has been whining at them to do (title their games with premade/no noobs/pro or something), even that fails.

The best solution is a flexible premade team system of some sort. We don't have that yet though.

 

Here's to seeing player's ranks next to their name IN GAME in less than a month!

If the ranking system worked I might support that.