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Fun game, but ruined by the community IMO

Fun game, but ruined by the community IMO

Just got done playing a 5v5 on Zikurat.  The game was going great, until a player (posermcgee if you're curious) just started commando charging into their base, dying (often with the help of an enemy demigod) and racking up kills + gold for their side.  After doing this about 4 times, he just stopped playing -- went AFK completely.  At least when he was AFK he wasn't suiciding!  This idiocy and griefing obviously cost us the game, as the other team had tons of money to buy equipment with.  From the nature of his comments, it was obvious that he was not just "some n00b" trying to learn -- he was actively sabotaging our game.

Not to mention all the disconnects, rage quitters, etc. that just end the game early.

Love this game, but it's ruined by the community IMO.

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Reply #26 Top

the op is not plainly wrong but this is gpg and/or sd's fault and not the comunities!

 

such a game needs teamed auto-matching games and a working communication system before lobby creation. and not only custom games where different attitudes, wishes and skills meet each other wihtouot satisfying any one of them.

 

we bought a gameplay test beta. the much needed infrastructure is still missing and probably will come too late (if it isn't already too late).

Reply #27 Top

Quoting lukasbradley, reply 25

Quoting vexerz, reply 24I'm a douchebag yes, and I'd take a douchebag thats good in a team game over a kind and polite player on my team that sucks.
These things are not mutually exclusive.  You can be a good player, AND be polite.  Or better yet, just be quiet.  Don't say anything.  Your douchebaggery only takes away from good play.  Event if you are radically good at the game, no one will respect you for it, because no one will get past your mouth.  Other than 13 year olds who think the mere use of the word "pussy" is entertaining.

By being a douche, you're ostricising the players to which you are being douchey.  If new players have a bad experience as soon as they start, many won't come back. Players who act like you do are slowly killing the community.  There are other games out there that DO have good communities, and similar experiences.

The best gamers in the world are class acts because they are trying to grow the sport.  Look at Johnathan Wendel.  He could treat everyone like trash and still beat them, but he doesn't.  There is more respect to be gained by being a class act.

Just because you're online and anonymous doesn't mean you should be a douche.  I'm quite certain you don't act like this in real life.  Ask yourself... REALLY ask yourself... why you act this way.  What in your real life itches away at you so badly that you need to use something virtual to vent?

I know you won't do this, and I know this won't make a dent in your behavior.  But since the designers didn't add common functions to the game (ignore player, add friend, etc) to allow for community building, the point should be made.

Enough with the preaching and arm-chair psychologist soap box standing.  I like how you can tell who or how a person acts in real life from a bunch of text written on a forum board. I do however work at a place where people lives are at stake and this attitude is expected. If someone is obviously lacking some common sense, I tell them like it is. But enough with this derailment and I don't need to go on.

Welcome to the world of team based online play. There's always single player mode for people that cant deal with it. 

First of all I don't say anything negative to people in regular non pro lobbies, patheon, or skirmish. New players are expected by me.

However, anyone that clicks on "pros only" "no noob" and whatever other similar named lobby deserves to be chewed out if they dont belong there. I click those games so I can play against and with experienced players. For me this game just isn't fun with bad teamates.

Its gonna come down to the casuals vs the hardcore. Its the dedicated players/hardcore ones that determine the longevitiy of the game and like it or not, it comes with the bad attitudes. TF2, COD4, name any game that requires team play and you'll get it. People complaining  about online  meanies need to stop living in a bubble.

This game does not have a competitive playerbase and ultimately it will be its downfall unless they make some changes soon. So for the OP, its not the communitys' fault but rather the infrastructure that's currently in place.

 

 

Reply #28 Top

Quoting vexerz, reply 2
I do however work at a place where people lives are at stake and this attitude is expected. If someone is obviously lacking some common sense, I tell them like it is. But enough with this derailment and I don't need to go on.

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard in a while.  You being an asshole saves lives?

Welcome to the world of team based online play. There's always single player mode for people that cant deal with it.

First, just because everyone else is an asshole doesn't mean you have to be.  Second, in all other games, the ability to ignore other douchebags is built in to those games you mentioned.   Your argument of "that's the way it is, so it excuses my idiocy" is a terrible one.  Almost as bad as your imaginary job you describe above.

Reply #29 Top

Let's not get personal here guys.

The logic I'm seeing here is circular - your a prick online because everyone is a prick online due to everyone else being a prick online. This is pointless and makes no sense. Construct a new argument.

Reply #30 Top

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard in a while. You being an asshole saves lives?

 

Nice I love it! Who's trolling now?

Quoting lukasbradley, reply 3

Quoting vexerz, reply 2I do however work at a place where people lives are at stake and this attitude is expected. If someone is obviously lacking some common sense, I tell them like it is. But enough with this derailment and I don't need to go on.
This is the most idiotic thing I've heard in a while.  You being an asshole saves lives?


Welcome to the world of team based online play. There's always single player mode for people that cant deal with it.
First, just because everyone else is an asshole doesn't mean you have to be.  Second, in all other games, the ability to ignore other douchebags is built in to those games you mentioned.   Your argument of "that's the way it is, so it excuses my idiocy" is a terrible one.  Almost as bad as your imaginary job you describe above.

But that's all you can come up with then lol. Calling me an idiot doesn't provide anything for your argument about why I should be nice to people in games. Your assertions and points are just silly. Its just not realistic to expect people to be nice and pleasant.

I'm in the medical field and I admit me being an A hole 24/7 isn't entirely true but I find that more often than not one has to be to get people to do things right and prevent the worse.

 

I'm sorry but don't shoot the messenger. As I stated in my post don't blame the community blame the system that's currently in place.  Noobs and hardcoreplayers playing together is a recipe for disaster. Nobody is happy. Online games can be a mean place. There's always single player.

Reply #31 Top

Quoting vexerz, reply 5
Its just not realistic to expect people to be nice and pleasant.

Why?

Reply #32 Top

It is realistic to expect people to be nice.  If my boss was like "hey a-hole" when I showed up to work, I'd punch him in the mouth.  Do you walk around and people just cuss you out all day whenever they see you?  "Here come a-hole Pete" they shout.  The internet is not the magical I can be a jerk machine.  You can try it, but you should get bounced. 

Its reasonable to expect that most people don't flip a switch and assume its ok to act like the world's biggest jerk the second they turn on a computer.  Its completely unrealistic to assume that all people will be rude jerks once they touch the keyboard and mouse. 

Reply #33 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 7
It is realistic to expect people to be nice.  If my boss was like "hey a-hole" when I showed up to work, I'd punch him in the mouth.  Do you walk around and people just cuss you out all day whenever they see you?  "Here come a-hole Pete" they shout.  The internet is not the magical I can be a jerk machine.  You can try it, but you should get bounced. 

Its reasonable to expect that most people don't flip a switch and assume its ok to act like the world's biggest jerk the second they turn on a computer.  Its completely unrealistic to assume that all people will be rude jerks once they touch the keyboard and mouse. 

Why does your example about expectations in a VIDEO GAME equate to an imaginary real life scenario? riiiiiiight.....Let me know when real life = online gaming (Unless you have a boss you talk to formally in a video game ok you get a pass buddy.

"The internet is not the magical I can be a jerk machine.  You can try it, but you should get bounced. "

What?? We are talking about Demigod here pay attention. There is no kick button other than the lobby but obviously a host has the magical button, the trash talking in question happens in game.

This thread keeps going in circles about the internets. People are meanies on the internet deal with it.

Reply #34 Top

Quoting vexerz, reply 8
Why does your example about expectations in a VIDEO GAME equate to an imaginary real life scenario? riiiiiiight.....Let me know when real life = online gaming (Unless you have a boss you talk to formally in a video game ok you get a pass buddy.

Let me put it more simply:
If you don't walk around talking shit in real life, why do you suddenly need to online?

Reply #35 Top

Quoting ZehDon, reply 9

Quoting vexerz, reply 8Why does your example about expectations in a VIDEO GAME equate to an imaginary real life scenario? riiiiiiight.....Let me know when real life = online gaming (Unless you have a boss you talk to formally in a video game ok you get a pass buddy.
Let me put it more simply:
If you don't walk around talking shit in real life, why do you suddenly need to online?

 

Let me put it simply as well, your question/statement does not apply to me. (again with these magical powers people seem to have of looking into peoples lives through their keyboard)

 

Just for sh## and giggles, I'll try to connect the possible closest correlation to the above flawed logic just to go along with the silliness. A poster earlier tried to make some lame example about talking crap to  the boss, the closest possible link to a boss in Demigod would be Frogboy or SD employee. That I would not do if I wanted to keep playing the game to avoid being banned and likewise.

In real life if someone cuts me off in traffic or a health team member at my job makes an error I give em some verbal abuse, the closest possible link to that in Demigod would be a player on my team screwing up.

Bottom line is these real life to in game attempts of equating are a looooooong stretch.

Reply #36 Top

Its the way people do it... Someone cutting you off is just you on your own having some "bad luck" , while cussing your team also affects you.. in that the guy you are mouthing off isnt very likely to magicly improve his game.

 

There are some people ive played with who told me they were new, and asked me some stuff like skills/favor item/ item builds... I just told him what i had, and why i had it. I also told him that dying is a bad thing, and from that point he already improved. An earlier game had almost the same situation, its just that a teammate got to replying first.. It went allong the lines of ... "in all chat" - OMG another @#$@#$ noob in our team. Well game over @#$@#$ -  and he promptly quit the game. The newbie didnt really improve much from such a reply.

 

It would help if new players would join "newbie" games, in that the more experienced crowd doesnt have to bother with them, the problem is that noobs cant help noobs to improve. 90% of the stuff that is on the forum doesnt make sence to them either because they simply dont understand it yet.

Reply #37 Top

Quoting vexerz, reply 10
Bottom line is these real life to in game attempts of equating are a looooooong stretch.

You haven't answered my question. Why, if in the real world your a decent human being, must you not be when you're online? It's hardly a stretch - you're still the same person. You're now at a computer reading what other people write. Why is the common deceny supplied to people when you're not at a computer not applicable?

Reply #38 Top

Quoting ZehDon, reply 12

Quoting vexerz, reply 10Bottom line is these real life to in game attempts of equating are a looooooong stretch.
You haven't answered my question. Why, if in the real world your a decent human being, must you not be when you're online? It's hardly a stretch - you're still the same person. You're now at a computer reading what other people write. Why is the common deceny supplied to people when you're not at a computer not applicable?

 

Then we agree to disagree. For me real life =/ online. Its not even close.

BTW you are wrong reread my post I'm rude to people online just as much as real life.

Reply #39 Top

I still don't believe this to be a satisfactory conclusion to this discussion, and I can't agree to disagree since I see no logic in your argument. If you talk to a friend on the computer that you also interactive with face-to-face, do you treat them differently when you're not on a computer compared to when you are?

Anyway, If you no longer wish to participate then it's been good talking with you.

Reply #40 Top

Quoting vexerz, reply 5
I'm in the medical field and I admit me being an A hole 24/7 isn't entirely true

Nothing you have said is true.  You're probably an elementary nurse charged with checking kids' hall passes.  

All your arguments against community oriented play are flawed.  In fact, you originally tried to blame "single mothers" as the source for the desire for a good community.  You are the one with the skewed version of reality, not us. 

Just because things happen online, and you have invented this ridiculous hidden personality, doesn't make it the right thing to do, and it certainly doesn't make for a good community.

You're a waste of time online, and in real life.   My advice to you still stands: really investigate your angst regarding your life and try to find the real reasons for your behavior.  Until then, you're just acting like a 13 year old.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting lukasbradley, reply 15

Quoting vexerz, reply 5I'm in the medical field and I admit me being an A hole 24/7 isn't entirely true
Nothing you have said is true.  You're probably an elementary nurse charged with checking kids' hall passes.  

All your arguments against community oriented play are flawed.  In fact, you originally tried to blame "single mothers" as the source for the desire for a good community.  You are the one with the skewed version of reality, not us. 

Just because things happen online, and you have invented this ridiculous hidden personality, doesn't make it the right thing to do, and it certainly doesn't make for a good community.

You're a waste of time online, and in real life.   My advice to you still stands: really investigate your angst regarding your life and try to find the real reasons for your behavior.  Until then, you're just acting like a 13 year old.

Thank you for the kind words good sir. Hook me up with some Karma points. My advice to you: go outside breathe some fresh air and enjoy the sunshine.

 

Reply #42 Top

Then we agree to disagree. For me real life =/ online. Its not even close.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because you're communicating through a machine rather than face-to-face does not change the fact that you're interacting with real people. Just because the potential repercussions for being an ass are greatly limited doesn't excuse you to be one.

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Reply #43 Top

with a game like this, it's far more essential that people act well than in an fps. FPS's are fun all the time. A game like demigod is fun while you have a chance to win, or are winning. Everyone wants to utterly destroy the other teams' base but due to the nature of demigod, it normally ends up with one team getting frustratingly R*PED and the other team killing them all the time, again and again.

 

The way this game works means IT IS DESIGNED NOT TO BE FUN for one team for about half the match, with regularity! In counter strike or team fortress, it's possible to do a turnaround due to skill. in Demigod it may still be possible but once you start losing the odds are stacked against you.

 

This makes less mature players (and face it, gamers aren't too socially developed a lot of the time) act like pricks and rage quit. Rage quitting is only an issue because IT STOPS BEING FUN WHEN YOU START LOSING.

 

This means I'm not going to come back to demigod. Thanks guys, it was a nice experiment but it failed. Any other online RTS game allows for more turnarounds than this game. sorry, bye.

 

edit to add: and no voice chat???? are we in the year 2000 or something? remember when games were complete when they were released? :D

 

After being disappointed by Supcom (ta spring > supcom), sins and now this game, I'm done with GPG too.

Reply #44 Top

Hmm.. i liked supcom =p Yea it was different then TA, but it wasnt called TA 2 =p

 

Im personally always a nice guy... also in game if my noob teammates feeds his 20th kill to the enemy.. As long as he answers my questions. But you have some people... a regulus. likes spending time at this flag. shooting his lvl 1 snipe at a 5K hp rook... Finally he gets off his ass, and because of some mirracle we arent quite dead yet. So the games drags on and on.. But while the regs lvl increases i notice his HP just barely scraping 2K or something.. He even had a kill or 2 and a bunch of assists because of snipe, and money income was on high so the gold way flowing...

 

So after 15 minutes or so i ask him what he was buying, as the citidal wasnt getting any better, and his hp was still at 2100 or so(ok not sure, but it wasnt alot). He told me he was saving for an all fathers ring... So i told him "You really should buy some gear first, so you dont end up(he already was) feeding the enemy... He would walk in center flag on cataract in a full 6 mine field and hed just die there and then. If he had a sliffer of health, the snipe was just a second away. He would listen tho.. He told me he wasnt some noob that i could boss around. So i tell him hes costing us the game WAY before he would get his ring.. Well the shitstorm hit the fan and i got all sorts of verbal abuse thrown at me... The enemys all had a couple of artifacts by now (my other team member wasnt to bright either... using mist to "save" his life only to find lvl 10 mines at his feet when he came out of it)

 

Anywayyyyy What i mean is that its not just the elitist folk causing trouble. Some really do like playing this game like its Rambo. I feel a list should be implented ingame, in which i could add people and a msg would pop up if im ever in a game with someone on that list...

 

This prevents me from joining people who are

1. dumb

2. leavers/quiters

3. premades posing as a random pug

 

 

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Reply #46 Top

Quoting kryo, reply 17

Then we agree to disagree. For me real life =/ online. Its not even close.


Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because you're communicating through a machine rather than face-to-face does not change the fact that you're interacting with real people. Just because the potential repercussions for being an ass are greatly limited doesn't excuse you to be one.

Couldn't agree more. 

Reply #47 Top

Quoting kryo, reply 17

Then we agree to disagree. For me real life =/ online. Its not even close.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because you're communicating through a machine rather than face-to-face does not change the fact that you're interacting with real people. Just because the potential repercussions for being an ass are greatly limited doesn't excuse you to be one.

Opinions are great aren't they?

Opinion is neither right/wrong - true/false... that's a fact you can never dispute.

Reply #48 Top

Opinions can be most definatly wrong - the most common example would be when it was people's opinion that Slavery was an acceptable method of production and labour.

In this current discussion, what is your opinion? That people are supposed to treat each other worse once they're no longer looking at one another?

Reply #49 Top

You are confusing absolutes of morality and social mores with subjective relativity. Using your example I agree with the opinion that slavery is morally wrong and evil however who am I to tell the southerner slave owners back then that their opinion was wrong in their minds. It was legal back then to them it was okay. Opinions will never be proven to be objective ultimately because of the inherent subjective individuality.

So what does this have to do with this thread? here is my stance:

1. I only abuse teamates in 'Pro' lobbies that are clearly noobs.

2. In a team video game and a pro lobby hosts title it for a reason. They specifically want experienced players to compete against and with. People click in these lobbies expecting the same from their teamates. A noob that doesn't belong defeats the purpose of the game and ruins everyone's fun.

3. Its a video game and just like in a real life basketball pickup game at the park I will get on my teamates if I have to.

4. I never said internet anonymity or lack of repurcussion is an excuse to be a douchebag. Misconstrued by people here. I'am in fact a douchebag in real life and in game. I did however say that there is no obligation to be nice to someone in a video game. This sense of entitlement is whats wrong with American society today (but thats for another topic of conversation).

5. Its a video game grow some thick skin. Pixelated text on a screen is serious business.

6. I often find my methods of communication in game to be extremely effective. I get 2 kinds of noobs. The first kind cant take criticism and starts to qq about it and show hostility (often resulting to racial slurs) followed by a Ragequit. The second type of noob knows that I'm giving him good advice no matter how harsh I put it and end up getting better. The latter end up grouping up with me in other games.

Reply #50 Top

Opinions are great aren't they?

... yes?