To be honest, it is looking good, it looks much better since I lasted tested it (duh) but it nice to see it progress to have have the dominion in there now

btw, I have been experimenting with the capital ship explosions, wouldn't it simulated explosions in Star trek, if all of the ships used the capital ship explosions. Not all frigates / crusiers just blow up into pieces, they usually linger for a while before then blow up

wooow this is so amazing, how jim just sayd ure guys are great!!!

these movements of the brel and the hits of the desrupters. just nice...

pls make much more of those vids, PLSSSS

but one think nerfs me again why are the galor cruisers so underpowerd? i mean 1 galor class can fight agains 3 brels and win if the commander is not a fool. i mean its a cruiser. some say its in version 3 a heavy cruiser. and 3 galors can defeat a galaxy.

(and 2 galors and 1 hedeki can put down a vorcha )

in the video the cardassians should easy win agains these kling brels and the 3 old cruisers.

will u make them stronger shimmer? or are the stats final?

but really this is so great to see. plsplspls more vids. n1 work! just amazing!

 FYI The cardassian units that are in game currently have not been balanced yet.

the Galors in the game have been balanced actually....

Galors are frigates not cruisers, they were replaced by better cruisers and the keldon is a capital ship

Opps My bad

just put galor in google and u will never read its a frigate. its a cruiser sry.

i dont get it y people are making cardassians ship worser then they are

perhaps u can make different versions? one destroyer and one cruiser? so cardassians have 2 more ships in the game u know?

or even 3 vversions. one des and 2 cruisers 4 example?

Well, in the mod, it's a frigate.

We had more than just the cardassians to deal with in the way of ships, if we favored them then the breen and dominion would have less ships or ships in places they really don't belong. Also we can't go perfectly canon and get a good balance (speaking of which, a lot of "canon" stuff contradicted itself depending on who wrote what episode, so being "canon defeats itself anyway) which leads us to the logical conclusion to just balance the mod.

With the cardassians having been merged with the dominion, this isn't really possible. Besides, having a bunch of copies of the same ship with just different stats, kinda defeats the purpose imo.

There are other card cruisers like the brutus which we felt would make better cruisers. The Galor didn't go without love though, it is a heavy frigate. We knew that some people would disagree with the Galor as a frigate, but lets face it, Cards are limited in ship designs, so we had to go with non-canon ships. However, we felt the non-canon ships would make better cruisers. I also felt that making the Galor too light would cause issues, so i made it a heavy frigate instead. 

Lets face it trek is all non standard, if we don't make a line of which ships are which, then every ship would be considered a cruiser, and whats the fun in that? go lookup databases and see which canon ships are frigates, cruisers for each race. You'll find just about every limited ship directory is a cruiser. for some examples

Klingons:

Vorcha

kvort

Brel (if youu account for all its refits its also a cruiser) most common ship in production

D7 (still used in the fleet if you account for its upgrades its also a cruiser)originally a cruiser in TOS, TMP

maurader

federation explorer classes (cruiser)

miranda

constitution

constellation

intrepid

defiant (escort class) heavy cruiser

Romulans only currently have 3 ships canon none are cruisers

warbird, valdore (both are battleships)

talon (shuttle)

most of the canon dominion ships are battleships and 1 frigate which is so OP it should be a cruiser

Cardassians:

Galor - Destroyer aka heavy frigate

Keldon - Heavy Cruiser

Hideki - frigate

so if we don't do some normalization no one would enjoy the mod. Remember that trek equals constant inconsistant data!

yeah sure i understand u guys, (ican chance it also by myself ect) but the thing is also taht old ships like the d7 d10, constitution ect was a cruiser. but theire so old that their now a big destroyer u know what i mean? but they stay as the description as a cruiser.

and brels are really no cruisers. they re just destroyers...

but ok ure guys are right its not so important ect

can u make some more vids perhaps with the starbase? ^^

dreams come with this mod !

FYI  the Rommies have more then just 3 cannon ships,

your forgetting the Scout and the Science vessel that were used in TNG  your also forgetting the Rommie Bird of Prey and Rommie D7(altho that was aquired from the klingons so it would kinda be Pointless)

The cardassions are indeed hard to make cannon, Since the hedeki galor and keldon are all we ever saw

Klingons would be easy, had a load of ships seen by them,  D7, Brel, Kvort, Vor'cha, Negvar  and the ship from the last episode,  the Fek'ler.. altho that still leaves alot of holes at least for Sins

Very nice vid

going to play it tonight !

finally got some time to actually do anything lol so just wondering anything that i should not do ? etc need to get back in the loop lol dont want to start altering stuff and getting told off

God damn, the way those ships move is just fantastic

Can't wait to play it!

I have suggestions on how to keep role types for ships like the galor class without making everything a cruiser but I'll hold off any input until the next mod is released.

I have to admit, I'm impressed with what I am seeing in the videos.  I have a few questions:

1. Will you be willing to make the pre-compiled entity files available for those who wish to "tweak" the balance of the ships for their own use when you releas the mod? 

2. Would you release the entity files for SoA2 0.03c so that I have something to do while I wait (Since I can't get into beta)?

3. Will you be changing the phaser file color for the Defiant to the traditional yellow(ish)?  Maybe it was the video, but it seemed while.  It's a small thing, I know...but there's something about seeing yellow for phaser fire...especially the pulsed phasers that the Defiant has - that would be sweet.

Well, that's all the questions I have so far.  Thanks for all the hard work.  I hope you can release this soon.

Actually, while you are on the subjects on files,I also have a quick question.

Will the patches for the 0.03f and beyond will be full release or will you release the full mod only or will you include a link that only contains the patch files?

could a video with sound be released? Or has audio not been added yet?

2. Soa2 003c is already released the dl link is on the op ,  or below

http://wwwnew.filefront.com/13727176/SoA_2_0.03c.rar

beemer127, the released files have been converted to bin, and you just NEED to use the correct convertdata_originalsins.exe version to convert all the files back to TXT format for tweaking. from what I remember I think that the 1.15 convertdata will convert soa_2_0.03c to txt

harpo

Hey Loki! Welcome back, for concrete info on updates and stuff you'll prolly have to talk to Shimmer or JTALORPCS, but for a brief review of what's been going on you can check out the debugging site mentioned above.

one question i have

someone mentioned controlling the ships in large battles during movment would be hard, i figured that  preforming fleets would solve this.. however that line of thinking brought me to the idea of   Fleet Distance feature for sins.. 

Being able to select how spread apart your fleet is  is kind of useless at least in vanilla sins.. however  with your mobility added in.. i wonder how this effect will work..    you guys going to script that feature  to have ships move a little more organised depending on what setting you set it to?    Thinking like  Formations in other games..

To put it in DS9 terms from the show..    haveing frigates escorting cruisers in formation while fighting..  in DS9 for example they had 2 mirandas  moveing with the defiants for cover..  wondering if thats plausable

Wow, I paused it the moment your mouse hovered over the defiant... level one with that much armor... and firepower...

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dont worry at the stats lol

sorry shimmer i never got a chance to get back online yesterday after work i will be able to send you or josh all the borg models i have done sunday / monday

Hey loki when you have  a moment wanna chat with you on borg entity files thanks josh

Im looking forward for this mod its looking real good.