I knew there was another asshole I forgot when I was tallying them on the forum...

He is right if your whole strategy evolves from 1 item your strategy = fail

Items that are too weak are better than items that are too strong.  Weak items don't get used, strong ones ruin the game.  Also as some have mentioned, it still conceivably could be used late game on a huge map when you are trying to make an end push.  It takes up a cooldown slot instead of an item slot, so if you are choosing between mage slayer and HoL, HoL could be the way to go.  Say you already have slayer's gloves and the limiting factor is running out of mana to cast thorns.  That's more important than additional autoattack damage.

Seems like demigod is going to be another constantly changing game. In order to make everyone happy, the balance will change constantly. Hopefully they will not ruin the game by nerfing and rebalancing constantly. Hopefully... Althought it seems the path has been set

This isn't WoW. You don't farm 2 month.. gem things out.. enchant everything and then have a patch totally ruins your build and make you start everything over. That's something worth complaining about imo.

Every match you start fresh. If something gets changed.. just adapt. There's not a real 'investment' you lost. Most users agreed that HoL was 'unfun' and thus they changed it. It's not like you had to farm hours upon hours to earn HoL. It's just perspective.

Unless they decide to reset your favor points to 0.....which they just did.

Don't be an asshat. I think many of you early players dismissed the HoL as being OP too early in Demigod's life and then never re-evaluated your positions to realize that, against good players, it often sucked.

Some of us don't want to see an item overnerfed to the point of irrelevancy. Supporting the overnerf out of spite is not truly in the best interest of the game. Buying HoL was often not too swift a choice before, now it's virtually always the wrong choice. The HoL has become an irrelevant item in Demigod. You will almost never see it used in a legitimate game between good players.

That's bad.

How often is All father ring used? StormBringer? Ashkander? Bulwurk of Ages? Get over it there are a lot of items that are not used often

RIP HoL, the best item ever for spitting UBs

Poor example. Occasionally, good games last long enough to field some of those items. And they are actually powerful. What made HoL garbage before is only exacerbated now by its new, much higher price.

i love every change this patch has brought...

i did use HoL, and yet i'm happy the way it is now, it just makes a lot more sense to me.

i really dig the random function btw, i'm waiting to see the first all random matches

The HoL was basically ezmode removing the need to use things like potions. While i think the price is a little excessive, im glad it's been somewhat nerfed as it was a bs item that in the right hands was ridiculously op'd.

meh, its better overnerfed than overpowered. 

happy medium is best but i'll take this change over the old way any day of the week. 

I don't even think it's overnerfed i think it's just fine now...

I mean think about what power HoL really gives you 4250 gold was a joke for that and now with it's stats increased

i'm still gonna buy it for certain builds. it just isn't a must have gamebreaker anymore

i think we just need a shift in perspective.

ty and thats what i was getting at. at tho cost to hol atm its just not worth it.

HoL works with +% mana items. Late game it'll refill your mana fine. Stop crying.

If you liked HoL the way it was, then lol at you.

"It made the game easy mode" is an odd thing to say.  You do realize playing against an opponent who had it increased the game's difficulty, right?  I guess if you comp stomp exclusively I could understand how it'd make it easier.

That being said, no one here disagrees about it needing a nerf and everyone seems to agree that the nerf it got might have been a bit excessive, so what are all of you arguing about?  I'll probably still use it sporadically depending on how game are going, but I use the staff of renewal so the CD isn't so prohibitive to me.

That being said, the cloak of elfenkind is almost always going to be a better investment for me given my playstyle.

If you get the battlecrown, you get 6525 mana. That's plenty for any level.

Point is, now people will really suffer in another catagory to gain the advantage. Before the nerf you didnt give up a whole lot.

The HoL is just as usefull, if not more so, than it was previously. The item removed the need for the player to return to the Health Crystal, and significantly reduced the number of potions a player would need to purchase. Both of these points increase the amount of Gold and XP a player received as a side effect of purchasing the HoL.

Making this item - one of the best non-combat focused items in the game - an upper tier artifact that players really need to save for reflects the advantages it brings to the field for it's owner. Perfectly balanced. Now, I shouldn't see a player with a few early kills grabbing HoL 4 minutes into the game and completely smashing the other side.

If you're unhappy with the changes, back it up with some valid arguments - not pointlessly bitching about having the item you based your entire gameplay around removed from the early game in a three sentence post.

It seems like the people that would always buy HoL are saying it's an over nerf and the people that would never buy HoL seem to be saying good riddance...it's more funny teehee and less funny HAHA In my opinion, I don't care what they do with it, it was a good item and still is, there are just better things to buy when you go shopping.

i guess you all comp stomp cause i raely get to save 12k after getten the basic items first.

i used artifact items after i got a helm,2 chest pieces,2 boots.

i would then proceed to get HoL which would be round lvl 10 but round then the game is usually over.

my games tend to end round lvl 10 due to people rq.

its still good hell its better but at 12k it will never be bought

Heart was build dependant in some cases, but in many it was a fantastic victory item to end games, I think it was correct to move it back in the cost lineup.  12k may be 'too far' for it to be strong, but I think the damage it did to the game, even if it was only in games that didn't involve the upper crust, is gone.

Remember, you cannot judge balance simply by the 20 best players in the game.  That'd be like judging fashion by the 20 skinniest people in the world.

At first I thought it was way over nerfed. I thought maybe just increasing it's cost and moving it to the Artifact shop would be enough. The more I think about it, it seems like the best way to go. Making this item expensive enough to keep it as an "End game" artifact. Plus it was buffed to compensate for the cost increase. So one could say the only thing that was truly nerfed was it's cool down time. Not so much a nerf, but a repositioning.

The HoL was ezmode because rather than needing to buy potions for health or mana or you know, that old concept of returning to the base to heal, you could instead step a few places away from your enemy, completely recharge and be back in the battle within seconds. If you play Oak, you can just shield and run away while using it, getting an even easier complete heal very very often.

Anyone who still ceases to see how powerful that ability is in the hands of a strong player basically fails .

"We have several useless artifacts already, and a lot of useless regular items already. Why are they making more items that are obviously bad gold choices?"

By nerfing an overpowered item that almost everyone *had* to take, they indirectly made other items more attractive.  The mere existence of the old HoL helped make other items relatively useless.  The average girls around you look better when Miss Universe moves out of the neighborhood. 

They should have just removed it from the game though.  It was basically a portable crystal, and that mechanic did not promote interesting gameplay.