Why An Vasari Starbase 1v1 Any other Starbase will Win EVERYTIME!:(

I don't think its a problem.  Think of all the resources/time that the person has to spend building that starbase.  Think of how annoying the culture is on an advent starbase. Think of how annoying the big red button is on the tec starbase.  Every starbase has thier strength and the vasari starbase is just powerful, it has no good ability. 

So.....hold on.....you are complaining that a Vasari base with significant investment shouldn't be able to kill a TEC/Advent star base on it's own when the Vasari Star Base is it's anti structure ship.  Oh and the Vasari player had to spend how long inside your gravity well preparing for this?

#1 - It's in YOUR grav well.  You have ample time to knock it out, both while it's constructing and while it's being upgraded.  I mean a LONG time. Even after it's built, where are your bombers?  Where are your assault cruisers to bombard the hell out of it?

#2 -Vasari dont' get an assault cruiser, that's a big con.  Use the fact that you do have them to your advantage.  Some orgrovs could pulverize that thing when it's first being built in ridiculously short order.

Honestly, if you sit idley by while a Vasari player constructs and fully upgrades a starbase, you deserve to lose the system.  Alternatively, if they've moved in such a massive supporting fleet that you cannot destroy it in it's infancy, then you've been outmatched/outplayed in that particlar game/battle.  Nothing wrong there.

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As an aside, flip your scenario around.  Say you are the Vasari player: you have no assault cruisers, you have to somehow construct an entire starbase and keep it protected while you spend tens of thousands in resources in upgrading it, all the while you're trying to defend the structure and build up a supporting fleet in an enemy gravwell.  Somehow, you're able to pull it off, you've got your starbase up, you've got your fleet... and then you get annihilated by their starbase?   What's a Vasari player supposed to do if that were the case?

What Haree is hinting at is that the game is not balanced around 1v1 for units.

listen haree78,

the msot reasons of building an starbase is to defned or make ur last defense withour a fleet, after lsoing a battle etc. All I am saying is that compared to other base, a 1v1 between Vasari SB and an TEC OR ADVENT SB, the Vasair comes on top all the time.

Ok maybe they dont have any advantage of anything else to destroy the starbase, but, they also get the ability to lay mines freely, and any where they like, such as enemie grav wells and wormholes etc.

I belive that it should be nerfed down a tiny bit, for example ONLY when in other peoples grav wells, such as the rate of fire or sheild is lessened etc.

Ok I'll try to make this clear.  Your OP is like this.

I think Vasari SB should be nerfed.

A Vasari SB, which is the Vasari's main source to kill other Starbases can kill other Starbases.  Therefore it's clearly unfair.

I think maybe you need to come up with a better argument, because right now your argument just makes you look like you don't understand the basic game mechanics.

To make this even clearer:  The Vasari SB is supposed to be good Vs other SB, it's downside is you have to spend a fortune on it, it can't move out of the Gravity Well after building and it has a long build time to build and then upgrade to be powerful enough to attack the upgraded base giving the opponent ample time to form a defence.  Other races can use anti structure frigates that they don't have to buy for every single gravity well.

The Vas Starbases build and upgrade way too fast in hostile grav wells. It is impossible to take them out within a reasonable time frame. Most of the time, any ships that attack a Vas base (in construction or not) end up being destroyed by a badly damaged base as it upgrades while being fired upon.

Bottom line is, you shouldn't be able to build any Starbase in a hostile grav well without a fleet to protect it.

OK.  TO BE CLEAR:

The Vasari SB is SUPPOSED to kill enemy Starbases.  The downside is that while the other races can build a fleet of anti-SB ships, the Vasari can't pack up the Starbase and bring it to the next grav well.  So while the other races can just run around with the same ships, the Vasari have to spend vast amounts of resources at each site they decide they need an Anit-structure weapon. 

This is the game mechanic.  Understand it, value it, and adjust your tactics accordingly. 

As others have noted, why don't you have a small fleet to augment your SB so that it can take out the Vasari SB while it's still building?

Lads this is an FORUM DISCUSSION- Not take this serious

I likewhat Hounds Saying

My opion nearly everytime ur about to kill the Sb, magically it gains Hull points, and by trying to take it out with ur fleet, ur fleets jsut gets destroyed taking the thing out from the other guys fleet. I feel that it should take much longer to upgrade the SB, when in the guys gravity Well. That may work.

With Advent and Tec SB destroyer, say about a couple of carriers, boom! there gone one by one. with an Vasair SB it takes shit loads of resources to take down. ok it does also take a shitload of resoruces to build up the sb of Vasair.

The point of my ARGUMENT was: That an Vasari SB should not be able to take out an TEC SB or Advent SB so easily, but aided with a fleet to help it, as too mnay time si have seen a cap - 10 kanraks and an Vasri Sb and the tec or advent starbase gone

and Haree78 listen carefully:

I belive that it should be nerfed down a tiny bit, for example ONLY when in other peoples grav well.

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There already is a pentalty for upgrading SB in enemy grav well.

Again, I'm not even a Vasari player, but for those calling for a "nerf" to the Vasari starbase can you please answer the question?

If a Vasari starbase is not able to take down an opponents starbase, how is a vasari player expected to crack a gravwell's defense?  Again, Vasari completely lack any type of anti-structure cruiser.  Their anti-structure unit IS their starbase.

The same way the advent do......lots of bombers.  Starfish is absolute crap at taking down an SB of any type much less a vasari that just runs over and kills said starfish.  TEC are better with their antistructure unit but the vasari will just run over it as mentioned before. 

[_]-Greyfox

I don't think the Vas SB needs to be nerfed other than the build speed reduced or construction halted if it is under attack. Same applies to TEC and Advent SB's.

Vas SB's should kill other SB's. And other SB's eat fleets for breakfast as well.

But I have to agree it is annoying when Starbases build faster than a fleet of ships can damage them and you just can't take them down even though you have lots of firepower there. It is also annoying that when they are about to go boom, their hull "upgrades" and the player trying to take them down is the one who ends up taking huge losses.

It makes little sense the SB constructor is so easy to take down, but once it turns into a SB it can no longer be destroyed.

Halted if under attack?  In someone's grav well?  With even one hangar, how would they ever get it built?

There's a large cost associated with a starbase.  The construction time is quite long, during which it's defenseless and quite vulnerable.  Even after being built, it's a little tougher than a single cap ship and can be easily taken down.  Players have a long, long time to nuke it before it really poses any kind of significant threat.

If you're playing Advent or TEC, get some anti-structure cruisers or bombers and annihilate it long before it becomes a threat.

Sunny dude, there is a penalty there doesn't need to be any more of one.  There shouldn't be a reward for just digging in as hardcore as i've seen you do as advent.  If anything there should be a buff on the building time in sb so it dont take so damn long to kill those who have entrenched.  The game shouldn't be won/ lost on a starbase fight after your fleet is dead

ok we have some people who agree that the Vasari SB is too strong, and the others who say there isnt anything else.

Can I say that greyfox is right, that the Advent StarFish SB destroyer is useless peice of crap:[quote]The same way the advent do......lots of bombers. Starfish is absolute crap at taking down an SB of any type much less a vasari that just runs over and kills said starfish. TEC are better with their antistructure unit but the vasari will just run over it as mentioned before.

I totally agree with grey, the advent starfish is absoulty crap, and TBF advent are the worser ones for this, as they dont have an moving SB, and they dont have an effective way to destroy SBs, except through bomber spam.

Ok how about this:

The Vasair Starbase Gets nerfed....a little.

Vasari get there own Starbase Killers.

Would u lads think that will be better?

i find it ironic that you are complaining about how much the starfish sucks, considering it is advent, wo why build antistructure cruisers anyways, illums destroy everything.

Vasari have a hard enough time already with the early game strenght of illums, how would it be nerf one more of their early game weapons when they have a hard time surviving anyways??

No. thats a terrible suggestion sunny. The only way to crack an entrenched advent or tec is a vasari starbase and you can't seriously be taking that away from us vasari players just because you don't play vasari.  You should be more focused on not getting yourself into these situations instead of ranting about them on forums.

i totally agree with you top, taking more away from vasari would be a costly mistake.

Lol at you, seriously.

Don't take anything away from the Vasari!!

You can stop every other structure from being built by killing the constructor. The same should apply to Starbases.

Attacking a hostile Grav well with a "sneaky" Starbase is just lame.

If we go with your idea, then you won't be able to attack a hostile gravwell with a starbase period. Yes, you can stop construction by killing the constructors, but you don't use constructors in hostile gravwells, do you?

Samurye.

Great, another complainer that cant figure out how to use the game mechanics to beat the system but instead wants them changed for their personal benefit.

As others have said Th Vasari Starbase is supposed to defeat the other races starbases. That is what the devs designed it to do. It even has a weapon upgrade specificly design to hurt structures (tier 2)

Sure nerf the vas sb.

But give each with SIDE BEAM LRMS.  Should even out things.  All races should also get hosh type repair at lvl 3 with 360 repair, and repulse for all.

Haree78:

Go and talk in another thread u moran.

Let me get this stright.. I am not moaning, I am jsut sstating facts, yes it maybe a starbase killer, but why cant Vasari have there own starbase killer, like a phase missle torperdo etc. I jsut belive that it would be alot more fairier that way.

And JJ I totally agress with the illums thingy, its sad to see that the game is now about who has the biggest dick, sorry who has the most illums to counet the other guys illums and repulse should be nerfed down a little - Thats coming from an Advent Player.

And yes the tactics used by Vasari players does work well, even when annoying to myslef, I would NEVER want them to be taken away from them....ever. Its like the marza, i got MB sometimes sure it was annoying but when people complaned, I didnt cause tec didnt have anything else.

And please people stop getting so tense, I am just trying to bring up a few suggestions, if you have any then feel free to post ur thoughts on this matter.

If Vasair had an Anti-Strucutre frigate, wouldent that allow people to carry on Starbasing peoples planets, enemies as well, however instead of beating an SB in a 1v1, they owuld also be more or lessly balanced out between them. so it would take more effort to take it down, with a SB and a few Vasari torpedos.