It's ok for them, but not for US?

Why aren't we supporting Israel here?

Here's a question: Why do we always, ALWAYS, give Israel a pass? We need to stop playing lap dog to the country and tell them to grow up, so to speak.

Why should any country be told what to do?

I've been predicting this for three years AD here on JU.  Somehow we are going to lose our grip on Israel.  I don't know how and when exactly but I do believe we are going to back away.  When we do, it's open season on Israel.

It seems as tho Obama is hurrying this along.  If so, I do believe God has put this "king" in place for a purpose. 

Good, Israel shouldn't get any passes. We don't, France doesn't - so why should they? (And please, no scripture...)

That's presumptious.

Question: Why do you always veer from the topic of the article by always playing the "they do it too" game? Why don't you tackle the point of the article which is Obama does not believe we should be building nuclear power plants yet he believes it's OK for Iran to do it?

What's the purpose of the UN? Why was the Geneva Convention implemented? Why do we have International Law? Are you saying we should allow Iran to proceed with their nuclear ambitions and hope energy is their only goal?  I'm not too sure you are thinking some of your comments too well AJ.

So now you are against freedom of speech and the right to post what we want within the rules of this site?

AJ, your recent comments are even more scarier that before. You seem to want to let the world just do what it wants and we'll sort out the dead later. I'm sorry buddy, but I would rather safe than sorry. My kids get mad at me all the time for stopping them from doing things I believe are wrong, they will eventually learn it was for their benefit.

Scary?

I'm saying we ought not stick our noses where we do not belong. We're not the world police. If we're going to look out for ourselves, then fine, but I would rather not be the one that pokes the bull in the china shop one too many times.

And I agree, it is better to be safe than sorry. But at what cost? Do we be safe, premptively/proactively at the cost of looking like bigger asses?

Wow, where'd you get that from my comment? I just know KFC decently to know that she could reply to my argument with scripture, which honestly doesn't add to a discussion like this. At least, not in my opinion. It was a request, and it's all well and good and fine with me if she doesn't care and provides scripture. I just hope she doesn't expect me to reply to it.

I'm trying to look at the Israel/Iran/MidEast deal with facts, logic, etc. Not the bible. I mean you don't take a biology book to a math class, right?

I'm saying that we need to just leave them alone; us first, israel later. It isn't like we haven't the capability to dispatch Iran with our military. It comes off as our nation being like the idiot who plays with the shotgun and blows his foot off. He's left wondering why, when it was his actions that caused the problem.

In a sense, I'm just looking out for us in a different angle than you are.

On the contrary, my question is valid because it leads to my point. Why bother meddling in other people's business. Granted, there are those who will hate us no matter what, but in a lot of cases - if you listen to a lot of people's comments who live elsewhere - it is us meddling that causes problems.

Iran has openly said they want to blow Israel off the map.  The Iranian president said the holocaust didn't happen.  Iran has a history of sending arms to Hezbullah and Chamas. 

Besides who is giving them a pass?  It seems to me that the UN is putting more sanctions on Israel than any other country in the area.  Leauki could probably give better details here.  How come you don't hear about Palistine giving up some land?  How come you don't hear about sanctions against Palistine unless they are instituted by Israel? 

Israel is trying to grow up but the fact is the countries around them are not willing to recognize them as an adult.

Um, because they want to murder lots of people just because of hate!

This true, several of us here have expressed this concern.  Since you are claiming the prediction do we get to blame you? After all you spoke it into existence. hehe

Please tell me how Israel is getting passes?

PS. your anti-semitism is showing.

Funny how he ignored your question.

AJ, let me ask you a question.  If a man says he wants to burn your house down with all your family in it.  Would you give him a box of matches hoping he'll use it to build himself a fire to stay warm in the winter?

This is hilarious!!! Wasn't just a short while back when liberals were worried about how the world "perceived" the US under the last administration? Shouldn't we have not been told what to do? How the pendulum swings. Change!!!

Then who is?  Should we just leave every dictator and terrorist run around and do as they please?  Remember, that countries like Iran want to completely remove Israel from the map.  I guess we should just sit by and let that happen.  But of course, that is exactly what Obama is doing.

"Land for Peace" means "Israel gives up land and receives peace in exchange". It does NOT mean "the Arabs give up land and receive peace in exchange".

The international community is well aware of the fact that Israel wants peace. That's why everyone agrees that it is the Arabs whose willingness to make peace must be bought.

From this we deduce that Israel must be forced to give while we must be happy if the Arabs will accept those gifts and keep the attacks to a minimum.

For every people but the Jews "peace" is considered a right. Only Jews have to pay for it.

(But that is fair. The other non-Arab minorities in the middle east do not even get the option. They are just slaughtered at will by the Arabs. Of course the US won't help them. The African-American president is too busy making friends with the perpetrators to help his African cousins. I wonder why Sudan gets a pass? If Israel did anything like the Holocaust in Darfur or treated prisoners as described in that letter, I am sure the UN would not shut up about it.)

As for Iran's need for nuclear energy... most western countries have stopped building nuclear power plants because producing electricity with oil, coal, and gas is cheaper and safer. Iran is swimming in oil. So they obviously need nuclear power to produce electricity. I have no doubt that about.

But it is interesting to see that the same people who worry about the risks of nuclear power in the west don't really have the same fears when the damn things are built in one of those weird places filled with brown people. (Iranians are white, but who knows this? And anyway, they are foreign.)

My friend Kaveh Farrokh points out how westerners think about Iran and Iranians on his Web site:

http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/nordicism/

He has a point.

I originally befriended him when I found myself looking at the same Spiegel article about Cyrus the Great he was criticising. The Spiegel article was filled with historical inaccuracies and translation mistakes.

(For example, a Hebrew word meaning "to break" was translated as "to buy" to create the illusion that it was referring to paying with coins which wasn't possible at the time the Torah was officially written. Instead the word refers to break silver, a method of payment common before the invention of coins 3000 years ago.)

Doctor Farrokh criticised the article from a historian's point of view and found several errors too.

An interesting read, and it too explains a lot about typical western attitudes towards Iranians and Israelites.

When did Israel ever get any passes?

(France did when they invaded Ivory Coast. Also for their colonial wars and their participation on the Axis side in World War 2, as did the "Palestinians" and Iraq, but that's another matter, perhaps.)

Israel, I think, might be the only country in recent history that does not only get no passes but is also criticised for things that didn't actually happen, like the Jenin "massacre" and the UN school that the UN lied was hit and then corrected their report and told the truth (that it wasn't) after the damage was done.

Interestingly enough, Iran is blaming the US for a recent terror attack against a mosque in Iran. They must have changed their mind about such "resistance". The Iranian government's position about such terror attacks used to be that it was completely acceptable for one country to fund terror attacks against houses of worship in another country. I wonder what changed their mind...

Before the US made it clear that they are Israel's ally, there were several major wars between Israel and the peace-loving Arabs as the Arabs tried to destroy the country.

Maybe liberals want to go back to the days of major wars?

You're taking a complex issue and trying to make it black and white in a few short sentences. I applaud you for the attempt, but uhm... no.

Most issues are not as complex as people make them out to be.

Nuclear power cannot be bad if the west employs it and good if Iran does, no matter how complex the story.

Or are you trying to take a simple issue and make it complex?

I'm no expert on nuclear power, though honestly the thought of a plant anywhere near my place doesn't exactly send happy chills down my spine. I'm not saying I'm afraid or what not, just concerned about something that powerful and that...vast, so to speak.

Personally, I favor other alternative energies - like hydrogen, wind, etc. What Iran does, is their own matter - not ours.

The world is, together.

No, I would likely mention it to the police so they could then do what is necessary.

I get that, but does that give us the right to tell them what to do? It comes across as pretentious.

I'm talking about from us. Time and again - being the buddies that we seem to be with them - we've never given Israel an ultimatum (I'm not sure what to make of Clinton's comments...) to quit bulldozing camps and all. Why?

And of course, anyone that is blunt and speaks their mind about Israel is suddenly guilty of anti-semitism. Fyi, one of my best friends is Jewish, and I've an adopted grandfather whom I love dearly that is a Rabbi. So, yeah...no.

Because it is ridiculously innappropriate, not to mention anti-Semitic, to tell Israel not to use bulldozers to destroy weapons factories and terrorist hideouts.

Why exactly should the US give Israel an ultimatum about this? I don't get it.

You are alreading telling Israel that apparently the Arab part of "Palestine" must be Jew-free (without, of course, giving the Arabs a similar ultimatum about Arab settlements in Israel, which are also expanding illegally).

(Incidentally, the reason Jewish "settlements" in "Palestine" are expanding "illegally" is that there is a death penalty on selling land to Jews in "Palestine". Hence when Jews buy land, it is "illegal". And the UN and now the US are promoting this law. Liberals are usually against the death penalty. But it apparently depends on the crime.)

What exactly is your problem here? Are you saying that it is not anti-Semitism to call for an ultimatum for Israel to stop defending herself? And what's your problem with the bulldozing? (And I won't accept the lie that Israel is bulldozing entire settlements or "camps", whatever that is, for no reason. It's an anti-Semitic lie and I refuse to join an argument about things Israel doesn't do.)

I hope this is not really the extend of American "friendship" with Israel: holding back the anti-Semitism a tiny bit.

I don't think Israel ever critizised the FBI for destroying the home of a criminal who resistered arrest violently and I find it surprising that such a critique would apparently not only be appropriate the other way around but that it has been a sign of a great friendship that the US has so far not done it.

~Leauki~

I'm afraid that your bias is blinding you to what Israel has done in regards to Palestinians. If you're not willing to listen, as you've shown, then i'm not going to waste my time.

you've got to be kidding!!!! 

and your bias is blinding you as well Lucas. 

KFC, I never said that I didn't agree with the fact that Israel has it hard, but the fact is we, as a nation, give too many pats on the backs to Israel. There's evidence out there that show Israel having bulldozed, destroying people's homes. Sorry, but that's bullshit.