Lula,

Go spend a little time in Wikipedia (since you often source it).  You might start with "History of the Jews in Russia." LINK

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There was even a major conspiracy tract known as "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" written by a Russian Journalist. 

You may not find anything that specifically opposes or criticizes Lenin/Stalin's Communism because if ANYONE was publically critical of these dictators they disappeared. 

This should help you get started!

The most aggressive and convincing book about communism I have ever read was Ephraim Kishon's autobiography and sort story collection about his time in communist Hungary until he managed to flee. It's not available in English, unfortunately.

http://www.amazon.de/Undank-Welten-Lohn-Ephraim-Kishon/dp/3404152077/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1231344213&sr=8-1

I find it ridiculous that anyone could claim in this week, where Israel is again fighting her enemies formerly supported by the Soviet Union during the entire Cold war, that Judaism was not opposed to and critical of Stalin's communism.

The Israeli army has faced Russian tanks and aircraft and armies instructed and trained by the Soviets for over 40 years. And it BEAT THEM.

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No it is not, everyone here knows my attitude about religion, I think it's the pits and it firthers the division between men and women world wide.

I knew abot the other name changes, but DID NOT KNOW it was the nazis that gave rumor to Stalin being a JEW. Good work kingbee

This is why I love JU.  I learn something! 

I always say "the day I stop learning something is the day I am officially dead"

Leauki, nothing from you on your assertion that Islam opposed Stalin's Communistic prohibition of practice of religion and subsequent persecution those who do.

What does this have to do with your assertion that Judaism (not Isreal, the country) has a history of opposing and publically criticizing Communism in particular its onerous practice of not allowing freedom of religion. And since you mention Isreal, the country, how is it opposing Communist Cuba or North Korea, or North Vietnam?

AD,

My comments have been primarily in refutation of MM's statement that "Religion was repressed, this was probably the only GOOD thing Stalin did."

I understand that all religions were repressed and that Stalin was an equal opportunity persecuter when it came to religion. I know Stalin turned on Trotsky who was Jewish and he banished Molotov whose wife was Jewish.

During the Red Decade of the 1930s, through force, national atheistic Socialism was applied throughout the USSR and Communism spread its evils. The USSR was the first to make abortion legal. There was no free exercise of any of our natural rights,  and anyone who objected was a class enemy and done away with.

AD posts:

 Thanks for providing the link...

You are correct, no where did I read about Jews or Judaism taking a stand against Communism or its banning the practice of religion.

As far as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", I know that was an anti-Semitic hoax.

Makes sense tho.  Communist and Jews were 2 of the most hated by the Nazis.  Why not group them together?

lULA POSTS:

KINGBEE # 80

As a Catholic, though the term "authoritative" is preferable, I might feel honored to have the Church singled out as "totalitarian" were the term not used in a derogatory sense.

The Catholic Chruch is the one and only Church in the world that has the creditentials to prove that she is Christ-established and therefore the only Chruch that speaks authoritatively in the name of Christ. The charge that the CC is totalitarian is becasue the Pope and bishops under his jurisdiction as well as the priests rule without the sayso of the laity is based upon the assumption that the Chruch is of human origins as are all the Protestant churches.

The Church Christ established that He commanded us to hear, was and is in modern terminology, an organic, self-perpetuating, spiritual corporation, that was to endure until the end of time. It was and is God made hierarchial, priestly Church, as was but one other Chruch during the whole human history, the Chruch of the children of Isreal, out of which the Catholic Church came. The Pope, Bishops, and Priests of the CC are as the Jewish Encyclopedia says, the "priests" in the Jewish Chruch were "emissaries not of the people, but of God."

The charge the Chruch is totalitarian as was the USSR was condemned by Pope Pius XII since a totalitarian government is based upon usurpation of power, such as Stalin exercised, depending upon force for obedience to its mandates. The power exercised by the CC which is limited to matters of faith and morals, comes from Christ, who is God. It is exercised among children of God through moral suasion and not by the use of force. Therefore the Catholic Chruch can say with her Founder, "My teachings are not My own, but His who sent Me."

Our Lord warned us that there would be many who would endeavor to prevail against His Chruch, but without success. Therefore, I'm not going to let any one, any religious prejudice or even persecution impair my tranquility.

there are credentials...and credentials.  just weeks ago, you disclaimed obama's birth certificate--cloned from an original civil record for which there exists not merely a bonafide original but THE bonafide original preserved and maintained by authorities of his birth state--as insufficiently provenanced.  on the other hand, you assert existence of credentials for which there is not a even a scintilla of tangible physical evidence as absolutely irrefutable proof your religious organization was and remains, unlike every other, the very voice of god.  

and yet he seemingly had no problem with totalitarian usurpers benito mussolini and francisco franco both of whom relentlessly crushed those who defied their mandates.

while it's unlikely they were original in this regard,  the first several generations of christians are most often characterized as proponents and participants in what could reasonably be described as a communist culture inspired by their desire to emulate christ  had marx, lenin, trotsky and their associates been better students of history they would have anticipated their utopian society's inevitable vulnerability to ambition, power and greed.   after all, no pope in history has discarded his elegant costumes or golden crown to don coarse cloth and a crown of thorns.

If you can dismiss the efforts of nearly half the Jews of the planet, I am sure you can dismiss anything I say.

I am sure that even if every Jew but one would speak out against communism and die for, say, Korea's freedom, you would still happily claim that Judaism doesn't have an anti-communist history and that you want evidence for "Judaism (not a huge number of Jews)" having such a history.

And I am also sure that if you find a single Catholic who, as an old man remembers to have been told by his grand mother's best friend, has been found to have been a possible protagonist of a story which, leaving out every second word, could have been said to have been about a subject not proven to be enthusiastically in favour of communism at a first glance, you would use him as absolute and total proof of Catholicism being the only religion consistently opposed to communism.

I'm confused who are you saying "or its banning of the practice of religion," Judaism or Communism?

Communism bans or prepresses religion and persecutes the religious.  It's going on right now in Cuba, North Korea, North Vietnam and China.

Remember I said that Stalin was an equal opportunity persecuter when it came to religion and MM finished his otherwise good article by writing this may have been the one GOOD thing Stalin did!! 

It may be a hoax Lula, but one has to note that I don't see Stalin preventing this propaganda from being distributed.  I find it rather hard for one to NOT believe that Jews and Judaism condemned the communism under Stalin.

Actually your points about Isreal are well taken, it's just that I made a distinct claim about the CC, and you rebutted that by claiming Judaism and Islam have the same history. OK. I didn't know that and since this is news asked for proof that it may be true. This info about Isreal, however, does not sufficeintly furnish proof of your claim. And I'm still waiting to learn how Islam opposed Stalin's repression of the practice of religion in the USSR. 

You are so eager to bash the CC, that you just throw stuff out there hoping it will stick and go unchallenged.

My initial statement highlighted above still stands.   Could you ever imagine that God who provided our holy forebears in Isreal with an authoritative priesthood and sacrificial means of honoring Him, and obtaining forgiveness of sin, left man without such a guidance and means of atonement after the end came to those Torah recorded messages?  A new, universal priesthood of a higher order was instituted who offered Sacrifice on Altars all over the world, as foretold in the Jewish bible. That priesthood of God, that Sacrifice, those altars are found in the Catholic Chruch, the one and the only spiritual society that functions by the will of God.

The Old Testament faith fulfilled its glorious mission in and through the birth of the Son of David, Jesus Christ. He caused the Jewish Acorn to blossom forth into the glorious Oak, known as the Catholic Church.  The Catholic Chruch is the light in this dark world.

you see this IS YOUR OPINION, there are billions of people on the planet that think Catholics are the BLIGHT of the world not the LIGHT, I think all religion is a BLIGHT including Catholicism, Which Is why I said the only good think Stalin did was ban religion.

Also after careful consideration I am starting to agree with Leauki that you are an anti-semite and might not even know it.

Who but you can explain the things you do?

All I remember about Roman Catholics is being called Christ killer at the age of 13 from that point on I stayed awayu from all religious people.

I believe you are arguing with a blank wall AD.

How many Jews have to fight against communist and communist-allied forces to prove to you that Judaism is opposed to Stalin's communism?

Your speed of learning is not my problem. I pointed you to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

I never bash the Catholic Church.

In fact I often point out that I admire the Catholic Church and disagree most vehemently with you on exactly those points where the Church also disagrees with you, most prominently Creationism (the Catholic Church supports the teaching of evolution and keeping science and religion separate) and attitude towards the Talmud (the Catholic Church teaches that Judaism must be respected and its holy writings not misrepresented).

In fact, my private blog even has a random entry just for the purpose of acknowledging Catholics as good people and asking G-d to bless the Pope:

http://web.mac.com/ajbrehm/Home/Blog/Entries/2008/6/18_Just_a_few_thoughts_on_the_(last)_Pope.html

I don't think I have ever seen you write a blog entry to prompte Judaism or co-existence with Judaism just for the love of other believers. (KFC regularly writes such articles!)

And for the Jewish readers (and others with the same kind of humour), here is an entry about the trinity:

http://web.mac.com/ajbrehm/Home/Blog/Entries/2008/8/10_When_G-d_Introduced_Monotheism.html

MM, Christianity is fundamentally Anti-Torah.  Christian's claim that Torah was done away with.  Thus does away with the Jews (who believe in Torah).  It doesn't have to even do with the 'CC is the only true church.'  Anti-Semitism began with the rejection of Torah. 

Whether Lula knows it or not, she cannot be a devout Catholic and NOT be anti-semetic.  The two simply cannot go hand in hand.  Catholics and Christians only control how much anti-semitism manifests out of their actions/words.

My wife's Grandfather was a Polish Jew thrown into political prison under Stalin's dictatorship.  This is just one person and a Jew who opposed Stalin's Communism.  At least he survived opposing by changing his last name in prison.

Not all Christians reject the Torah. Many Christians believe that the Torah is the Jewish holy book and was not replaced but made more perfect by the "New Testament".

Catholicism changes. They have a process for changing their principles. I don't think the current Catholic Church is anti-Semitic. (Individual Catholics can be, of course.)

Stories like that are very common indeed.

It should do Lula some good to research the subject a bit (unless she uses her usual sources).

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MM POSTS:

Well, it's my opinon that when you say Catholicsim is the blight of the world and banning it (religion) is good comes from lack of knowledge of Jewish history and Scripture.  

OK...and for LW, putting aside the Acorn and the Oak...the Catholic Chruch may be called the Jewish Chruch glorified...it's a Chruch of converts and descendants of converts. First came Christ, the Jew of Jews, then came the Apostles, all Jews, then came the thousands of first members of the CC, all Jews, after which came the converts from among the Gentiles. In fact there would not have been a Catholic Chruch were it not for the Jews. So, as a Catholic, by being incorporated into the Mustical Body of the Messias, I am a member of the Spiritual society that originally belonged in its entirety to the children of Isreal.

To understand anti-Semiticism, let's go back to the Protocols of Zion. The circulation of those viscious document was no doubt a sin against charity...love of neighbor. A Catholic cannot be anti-Semitic becasue Abraham is called our Patriarch, our ancestor, and anti_Semiticism is incompaticle with the thought and sublime reality expressed in Catholicism. It is a movement in which Catholics can have no part whatsoever. Spiritually we are Semites.