Thanks to all Americans who voted!   We the people have spoken.

God bless America!

Every politian has an agenda...that is just a fact of life. ( and no, I don't agree with his agenda, nor did I agree with McCain's)

So the majority of Elect Votes have spoken. I wonder what the outcome would have been if every vote had been counted? Would this have been different? We will never know, because of a system created when communications were minimal. Time for change in the voting process as well as other major and minor issues.

I find this very interesting.  So, when someone's agenda doesn't match GW's, it's okay to badmouth him, call him a Nazi, do everything possible to thwart him.

But then, when that same person gets someone who agrees with them, then suddenly all of us are supposed to "get behind and push the cart" together. 

Personally, I'm taking a wait and see attitude.  But it's amazing how the left, which was incredibly obnoxious over the last 8 years now suddenly expects everyone to hold hands and support Obama.  

I must say that times have changed.  By that I'm talking about when was taught to me in school which some may refer to as ancient history.

At what point did it change from the ideals that our country was founded on to the wants of a political party or certain individuals?

It is easy to understand why the world watches us to see whether we honor those ideals that we preach so loudly to others.

Just my opinion, no better than anyone else's.

I posted references regarding his grandfather, Prescott Bush. I would never call someone that hateful name, Frogboy. My Mother's family was destroyed there...by them. I served in the Israeli Army and later in the Israeli Navy (after Med School), not to fight Nazis but to defend people from overwhelming odds. It was the values I learned here...American values at their best that enabled me to do that.

GWB was clearly not of their ilk. I feel he was manipulated by people with a specific agenda and that he damaged what he most wanted to defend. He was wrong for the job, but not an evil man by any stretch of the imagination.

I feel bad that you might think that of me.

I wasn't speaking of you specifically. I mean, over the past 8 years, the leftwing hatred of Bush has been off the charts. They even have a term for it - Bush Derangement Syndrome.  

And yet, when Obama gets elected, everyone is expected to love him? Me, I'll wait and see what he actually does. But I certainly dont' support his stated political agenda.

This comes from the assumption that they have the moral high ground. If we lived in Utopia I would tend to agree, but we live in the real world and Utopian ideals sound good but rarely work.

There is no technological revolution on the horizon to save Obama the way it did for Clinton. He'll have his four years and then assume his place with Jimmy Carter in the category of good intentions.

Reading this, I find it interesting that you are supporting Obama with his ties to Rashid Khalidi.

Personally, I’m just happy that the barrage of Obama commercials will end.

Ya know, ID, I started this thread inthe hope all the bias and party politics would be left behind so we as a community, here on WC, in the US and the World could begin afresh in a new and exciting era.  Sadly, some of that sectarian divisiveness still exists and I must say that I'm quite disappointed.

OK, so you feel that you can not support Barack Obama, though I fail to see the logic in this, but surely you could support your fellow citizens who are happy with the result and work with them towards builind better futures together.

The time for sour grapes has passed, the time for unity is here and needs to be embraced, cos pissing and moaning about who won or lost isn't going o change the fact

C'mon, mate, your'e not that deeply Republican that you can't let bygones be bygones to move forwards with the rest of the nation, surely.

sigh.

Exactly, I started this thread to congratulate Barack Obama and give kudos to John McCain for being so gracious in defeat, hoping of course the election's end would bring about the end of the political bickering.... obviously I over-estimated the people I hoped would leave it be and move on to more pleasant discourse.

It's sad that, the majority have something to celebrate, yet there are still party poopers dredging up the past from the sewers to cast an unpleasany odour over everything.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement

A terrible day indeed.  Look on the bright side.  We're about to acquire a whole lot of new "friends."

Seriously though, I honestly hope it all works out.  I really do.

This is why I like you, Island Dog.  I totally understand your attitude.

Although I supported and voted for Obama, I wasn't as excited about his victory as I should have been, but my daughter was pointing this out to her friend right after the announcement that Barach had won..."Mom doesn't like satisfaction as much as she does disappointment because she doesn't have anything to bitch about when she gets what she wants."

On a lighter note...at least we didn't have any hanging chads or recounts to deal with again.

I didn't follow the election as closely as I would have liked, was it a close race in the end, how many votes were cast for each candidate, how many did Obama win by?

Another interesting thing I heard was this was the greatest voter turnout in american history  - that sounds pretty cool by itself, more people got involved in the vote.

African American president, another 1st in history - that sounds very promising when you look at it from an outsider's point of view (I'm canadian and our politics is nowhere near as exciting).

I bet you he is also the first president without an english like last name (ex. Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Ford, Carter), President OBAMA really sounds different.  Obviously a name doesn't make a president any better but it's interesting trivia for sure.

Some info on the voting#'s would be great!

what is a hanging chad?

I think the man has a terrible uphill battle.  Two wars and a nearly collapsed economy.  Oh boy.  I just hope that he truly is someone who will think about and help the "lower middle class" or "upper lower class". which ever one I fall into making my fixed income and my wife's small salary of under 50K combined.  Make the welfare state start working or do away with it altogether.  Four or five generations is enough.  Stay away from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (both racists) if he doesn't want to be perceived as a black only President.  I don't care what color the man is.  He could be purple for all I care, as long as he works for more than the top 5% of this country the way it's been for at least 8 years. IMHO

The pieces of paper that punch out in a ballot...last election it was a big issue

Does that still exist?  I thought Clinton got rid of it...something like an able-bodied recipient can't be on welfare for more than three years in a row, seven years cummulative, and a cap on grants per child after the third one?  I'm pretty sure if anyone is on welfare for more than three years and not working they are probably labeled by the government as "disabled."

OH, yes, welfare is still going strong. Those who have grown up on it, know how to abuse it. What sucks is that they have better cloths, cars and food than I do, and I work at a real job for a living!

I suppose this can be considered as 'move on'  -  https://forums.wincustomize.com/329086

Are you sure they're not selling drugs (or other unreportable illegal activities) to buy the clothes and cars?   I was on AFDC when I was pregnant with my first child, and there was no way I could afford a car, good clothes or uppity food.  It was enough to pay the rent in a two-bedroom apartment in an average neighborhood, and keep gas in the beater car I drove...mostly it paid for my high-risk pregnancy and complicated birth, which would have left me dead if it wasn't available, because I would have just brushed off the pain I was feeling from throwing blood clots to my lungs, hoping it would pass.

The logic is simple.  I don't agree with his stances on taxes, gun control, and a whole list of other things, therefore, he doesn't have my support.  Now I'm not running around screaming that I'm moving to another country, but I'm not giving up my core beliefs just to appease other people. 

You just like me because I'm a "rebel". 

And who was the deranged party? I'd say that what he did to the Constitution, illegal holding w/o charging, illegal wire tapping w/o warrants, etc. when he could have obtained them legally points to  derangement of the megalomaniac variety.

Most likely, they are, or are living with parents/custodians/boyfriends that are. I honestly think that when getting gov. sub. you should be drug tested, and inspected randomly. If you own things that are way out of proportion to what you are receiving, then you had better account for it, or get dropped. Maybe just dropped period? Cause if someone is buying you gifts then they can support you.

Ooooooo...I really like that idea.