It makes you wonder how Obama would do without the liberals group-think mentality.  I really love how people disregard 0bama's association with Ayers, and all these other anti-American "friends" of his, just by saying we all have "crazy uncles".  That is the most ridiculous thing I have read.

Why would 0bama start his political career with a known radical and domestic terrorist?  Why?

...gotta hand it to ya Brad...we've been pointing out some unpleasant truths about 'the Movement' and the current Republican run for the White House & to your credit, you have been very sporting about it in volleying back the rebuttals, dare I say, WF Buckley style....

Alternatively speaking, that is.

 

LOL....I.D.: Obama was 8 years old when that crap happened....It was such a non starter that Republicans said, "Is that the best you've got?".

In fact, it wasn't the best. McCain hasn't got "a best". He just has a pretty little winking attack parrott from mooseland who doesn't know Government from family, and is so clueless she isn't even allowed to be interviewed by herself, nor does she even know how to answer the question, "What magazines do you read?".

Polar bears have more brains (and ethics).

What a hopeless, pathetic ticket.

It's pretty obvious you know nothing about Ayers, otherwise you wouldn't be copying Obama talking points. 

 

 

I agree, the 0Bama-Biden ticket is pathetic.

Excalpius -

You know next to nothing about me.  Typical of folks like you to make it personal rather than about facts or issues.  Very lame.

a refresher for ya Daiwa...

...so Excalpius returned the compliment lol...that is all...so don't get all sooky on us;you are the strong, all knowing Republican after all...wouldn't want to ruin your image would ya.....

Figures you wouldn't get the pun, Seansky.  And you're the cleverboots?  I'm to bow at your altar of wisdom, I guess.  But I think I'll pass, thank you.

The "association" smear is precisely that.  It is fallacious and self-delusional to claim otherwise.

And I was raised Canadian until the age of 4 when I moved to America and became an American citizen by choice.  Do you think for a MINUTE I remember anything about being "Canadian"?  Do you think it has any affect on my politics or religious beliefs, etc. today   At 4 years old?!  Puh-lease.

And I've worked directly with three recent Presidents.  That doesn't mean I'm senile or helped bring down the Berlin Wall, a spy who's responsible for Noriega AND Saddam, or would cheat on my wife, now does it?! 

No, I expand the definition of ignorance to those who bury their heads in the sand so as to remain willfully ignorant of the facts just to keep from shaking up their personal ideology.  There is uneducated and then there is ignorant and then there is willfully ignorant. 

Ah, NOW we get to the meat of it.  Are you one of those "America, love it or leave it" people who the corrupt count on when they sling that "your flag pin isn't as big as my flag pin" hooey?

In an effort to clear up the misrepresentation of those of us who love America enough to want to see her get back on track after being whored out to the highest bidder for the past 8 years, here is a list of what I don't think we believe in:

 

We don't believe we should put American soldiers' lives at risk by premptively invading already declawed countries just to slide a trillion dollars of graft to our cronies.

We don't believe that the Constitution is an anachronistic document that should be actively isubverted.

We don't believe that our systems and balances are quaint and should be ignored by an unchecked executive branch.

We don't believe in ceding the moral high ground our predecessors fought 200 years to establish.

We don't believe that you are guilty until proven innocent. re: the (un)Patriot Act.

We don't believe that our private lives are any of your goddamn business.  re: recording US citizen phone calls.

We don't believe that this country has the "god given right" to treat the rest of humanity (and the planet for that matter) like shit, just because we were in the right place at the right time for the industrial age.

And we can't believe we are the only remaining industrialized nation in the world that still lets these HMO scumbags (thanks Nixon! ahem) kill our own citizens in the interest of more pennies to the stockholders.

We don't believe in torture.

 

We don't despise this country.  We despise the LEADERSHIP of OUR country - what Bush's administration has done to OUR nation and we're holding anyone associated with it, including McCain, accountable.

I love this country.  I, like you, Brad, and like Obama, have had more than my fair share of the American Dream.   And I see that dream dying all over this nation.  It is simply not possible for some people to get out of the holes they've been squeezed into by the policies of this administration.   And I know that no amount of individual charity can counter the machines that are deliberately bleeding the poor and middle class of this country dry.

So, I think this GREAT nation can do better.  And I love America enough to do whatever it takes to see her stay a superpower and remain the most blessed nation on the Earth.

And we aren't going to be able to make that happen with more decades of "me first" and "I need to save another 1% on my taxes" thinking.

 

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." --  Thomas Jefferson

 

In fact, nowhere do the founding fathers say anything even remotely like "America, love it or leave it."

 

 

Because when he met him it was DECADES later and they were both on an Annenberg CHARITABLE foundation together, along with other Chicago Republicans and Democrats alike.

Because we don't hold McCain accountable for decades of personal affiliations with Saddam Hussein (when he was our paid for ally against Iran), Osama bin Laden (when he was our paid for ally againt Russia), and Noriega (when he was running drugs for Bush Sr.'s CIA through Panama).

In other words, we understand the definition and nature of politics enough to know this is an utter non-issue.

re Reply #334...that is a tour de force of a response Excalpius;clearly, you truly are a learned & great man who has walked amoungst the greatest minds & achievers of your nation - my gawd...that 'from the heart' listicle would have been worthy in tonight's "Joe the Plumber" debate...and you are correct in stating that what your American electorate is hungering for & needful of, is what you so passionately articulated...not what the 'base' was high fiving Senator McCain for.... 

You, like Obama, are good at vague generalizations and demagoguery.  Some sweeping rhetoric, without actually making the case for it.  Simply a claim of belief.

Does no one realize that this election has basically de-evolved into a scene from Napoleon Dynamite?

"Vote for me, and all of your wildest dreams will come true."

Pedro '08

 

I guess we can take it from your comment that this is your FIRST election then? 

You do realize that part of that administration is a Democrat controlled congress.

She will not be a superpower for long if Obama is elected. http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/

Sniff...thanks seansky! 

Inaccurate.  The Democrats only gained the majority of the HOUSE of Representatives in 2006.  Without control of the Senate and/or a veto-proof majority in both, the Democratically controlled House is and was unable to override Bush's veto and veto threats.  This has meant the control has been in a stalemate for 2 years, with the Democrats unable to end the war in Iraq, etc. and the White House stopped in its tracks to a large extend by Democratic filibustering.

So, nothing could get done.  It's part of the checks and balances of our system of government and why the Senate and House are structured differently from each other and the Presidency as far as term limits, voting cycles, and responsibilities.

It's American Civics 101 and it helps A LOT in separating the spin from the truth.

 

I watched the video in its entirely and saw nothing presented that would relegate our economic or military superpower status.  In fact, many of these proposals are in complete agreement with Republican initiatives and some of McCain's own votes over the years.

What downright and utter bollocks!  America will no longer be a superpower if McCain/Palin get elected.  Osama bin Laden and his cohorts will descend upon her with a vengeance with such an obvious airhead as Palin at the helm.  I mean, why would they respect her when the majority of her own countrymen/women don't cos she doesn't know which magazine she reads... er, looks at the pretty pictures in  Like whoa, even her teleprompter has pictures on it cos she finds it easier to understand.

Well you didn't seriously think McCain would actually be there??  Apparently he likes fishing, so he's gonna take time out to fish with the other grumpy old men.

Oh, that's right, you wouldn't have heard!!  Yeah, various Repubs discussed MacCain's bumbling senility and felt it was a liability to the Party, so he was going to announce his retirement from politics after his final debate with Barack Obama last night.... trouble was, he forgot to while he was forgetting not to attack/assassinate Obama's character... and how to debate real issues.

 

Don't worry...GW has everything under control!

 

 

We baled out AIG so the execs could go on a luxurious spending spree.

It's ridiculous that taking from the poor to give to the rich is ok but taking from the rich to give to the poor is socialism.

Everyone talks change yet we are a confused country that fears change.    

To this point, I was looking for bumper stickers this week as I was driver to and from work (I live in Colorado and have to trek 45 minutes to work).  It funny because I have see many Obama/Biden stickers but no McCain/Palin stickers.  However, I have seen a few NObama stickers.  It gives the impressions that people are more afraid of Obama than they like McCain/Palin.

 

...hey Excalpius..your efforts in this thread have brought much needed clarity as well as your point of view as a citizen who has known what the American dream actually was and what levels it could be taken to with the right government, collective mind set & environment & also serve as a reminder as to why the Republican Neo-Con agenda leaves people cold;the acknowlegement of a contributor of your magnitude was certainly warranted & I would have been remiss to have not done so....

Are The Republicans Better Off Losing This Election?....

Did anyone notice that John McCain didn't take his dive until the markets tanked?

 

Mike Huckabee, clown politician-turned-Fox News Channel host, recently joked, "We may have the first election in history where it's the winner who demands the recount!" The bad news for Barack Obama is that his victory margin will probably be too big for that.

Before the worst of the fiscal meltdown, I cautioned against rosy scenarios. Now it looks like the polls that are most generous to Obama may be the most correct—the Rasmussen and Gallup daily tracking polls that have him at or above 50 percent.

Rasmussen, with a 5-point lead for Obama (50 percent-45 percent) may not look as good for the Democrat as Gallup's 10-point lead (51 percent-41 percent). But actually, it's fine: with a smaller number of undecided voters, McCain has less chance to catch up.

Rasmussen uses controversial "robo-calling" (automated polling by voicemail), which generally cuts down on the number of undecideds—more than a few McCain supporters are embarrassed to tell live operators how they are voting. Party lines are so deeply etched that McCain probably has a floor of 46 percent. But that still leaves room for a substantial Obama win.

Unfortunately, that means Obama is screwed. It's obvious he'll take office with his hands tied behind his back thanks to the war, the deficit, and the Crash of '08. Even worse, he'll have heavy majorities of Democrats in both the House and Senate.

Full responsibility plus zero options equals political disaster for Obama and the Democrats.

Each time the Democrats have held both the presidency and strong congressional majorities, it's been a trainwreck. Bill Clinton barely got Democrats on the Hill to pass his economic program—which produced the prosperity we're all so nostalgic for this week—and they killed his health care plan. After two years, Clinton was rewarded with a Republican majority for the rest of his term, leading ultimately to the public release of a government-sponsored report on his sexual practices. The first president whose semen stains became federal property—this is what happens when Democrats control all branches of government.

Clinton, however, thrived with a Republican Congress around to share responsibility for risky decisions like the Kosovo war. (The impeachment unpleasantness aside, of course.)

It took Democrats 12 years to recover from Jimmy Carter's presidency. If only the genial Gerald Ford had won the very tight 1976 election, instead of Carter and a Democratic Congress, the Republicans would have held power during those malaise years of energy shortage, Middle East turmoil, stagflation and unemployment. Ford and his chief of staff, the young Richard B. Cheney, would have been blamed. The country would never have turned to Ronald Reagan. Dan Quayle would be quietly managing his family's small newspapers, and George W. Bush would never have given up drinking.

To be sure, the Democrats have caught some lucky breaks over the years. In the summer of 1988, Michael Dukakis was leading George Bush Sr. by 17 points, but wisely took a dive. The recession of 1991-92, which cost Bush his reelection, was way overdue.

And if John Kerry had been elected four years ago, he'd be running for reelection right now, as the markets unravel. We'd probably elect John McCain to clean up the mess. Kerry saw this coming, and fed the Republicans a steady diet of flip-flops, gaffes, and soporific oratory. He was able to watch the grim events of the past four years from the comfort of the Senate cloakroom.

Obama can hope for a Rev. Wright book tour, a Tony Rezko plea deal, or even those Diebold machines to let him off the hook. But it looks like it'll be no use: the Democrats are stuck with this cleanup. Look for a rough 2010 election cycle.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/republicans-lose-election.php

Is that a roll of toilet paper representing US currency ob George Dubbya's desk?????

Now ya know why the economy went down the shit-shute