Yes, the feds and the states getting involved in the education of 0 to 5 year olds is Socialism. Education is first and foremost the obligation and duty of parents, the state, local and municipals governments are there to assist, if the parents want assistance. Obama's plan would have government invasion in the lives of families from the getgo. His plan starts by giving ten billion dollars per year would go toward getting 4 year olds in school.   

And this says you don't understand the fundamentals of what the US Constitution authorizes.  As president, putting country first means running the country according to the Constitution. Get it through your head, Kurtin, education is NOT  a constitutional issue. Unless the Constitution is amended, federal guidelines should only be advisory. DrGuy has put it very well.

The US Constitution says nothing about job creation, public education, medicare, government run retirement schemes, but it expressly charges the federal government with the defense of the nation foreign and domestic. The present domestic crisis caused by the Carter and Clinton Administrations, together with the Dems in Congress, namely guys like Dodd, Schumer, and Barney Frank, along with their greedy bum friends in Wall Street must be defended against. We'll see how they do. I'm not impressed with the Senate...expect if of Obama but am very disappointed in McCain. They passed the bailout at something like 820 billion adding on over one billion in pork. He said he would name names of those who spend in pork and here was his chance, but guess what....he'd rather not be partisan.... so, evidently he doesn't mean what he said.  

Again, you seem to think I have no concept of the US Constitution.  My position addressed the fundamental necessity of building America's education system up to match those in other nations.  I did say that states should have control, why??  Because I know that nothing in the Constitution says that federal control should be applied.  However, look at the situation.  State control doesn't always cut it.  We say, "Then just don't live in that state if you want a better education," and that's just the kind of attitude that lets students fall through the cracks and ships our jobs overseas.  We need improvement as a nation, and if we are going to provide federal money, which IS a good thing, we had better make sure it's being put to good use by via national standards for teachers/administrators (this job can't be done by just anyone).  Just because the US Constitution says nothing about creating jobs and Medicare are not reasons to NOT provide them.  It isn't unconstitutional to provide service for our citizens.  Yea, I'm sure the founding fathers were thinking about Medicare when they were coming up with that bad boy.  Dr Guy, has made a good point, and I was glad to recognize the point he made.  The way he has reacted and responded to me about the subject indicated that he was open-minded, and possibly an educator, and I was right to think that. You, however, do not seem to make good points to me and are just against any kind of change to steer the nation, education, science, etc. in a new direction.  Ultra-conservatism FTL.

I have a fundamental difference with your position.  But I will leave you with this happy compromise (dont worry, it will never happen).  If you want to make education a national issue - pass an amendment.  But this sneaky shit back door crap (the current federal education programs) is not promoting your position, only undermining it.  If you do something half assed, then dont expect to see it turn to gold.

Kurtin,

This is Socialism...which essentially says ditch our Constitution, the ends justify the means, when they don't.  

In the proper order of government, Public Education is under state government and that's where it should only be. Federal intrusion has ruined it. Obama's plan adds fuel to the fire...he would throw more money at it and add 4 year olds to an already failing system. Stupid is as stupid does.