but mccain and palin suck a lot less...

No, they most certainly do not.  The suckitude is equally spread across their smiling, empty faces.

last i checked they are not suggesting redistribution of wealth, heavy new taxes on "the rich", socialist programs, and massive new welfare programs.

Also neither has criminal associations or activities in their past (acorn, PLO, ayers, etc etc etc)

McCain was as involved in the Keating scandal (if not more so) than Obama has ties to Mr. Ayers . . .

Palin's husband belonged to the Seccesionist party, and seccession is treason . . .

I maintain - ALL FOUR OF THEM SHOULD BE THROWN OUT ON THEIR ASSES.

Doc, I just stumbled onto something pretty interesting.  It turns out that Obama's mother was actually 52 when she died (just a few short weeks of being 53. Ann Dunham (Obama's mother) was born Nov 29, 1942 and passed away Nov. 7, 1995.  This makes her 22 days shy of being 53.  She died of Ovarian and uterine cancer.

Hope that helps.

I did not do the math, just took the article at its word.  They showed the years, just not the dates (It was a Time Article on her).

Mmm, wikipedia says that Mccain was completely aquited of that one. but i will admit i don't know much about it, have more info?

Also as far as I can tell, they intervened on behalf of a company... either through improper behaviour (bribes, 3 senators), or misjudgement (2 senators, mccain and this other guy) according to the comitte at least... this does not seem to actually tie them to each other.

The seccessionist party thing is very interesting... got any link or something? I hear a lot of rumors on people. Part of the reason I even THINK to attribute what I have to obama is because of videos I have seen where he ADMITS it himself. Thos are active associations he has... I have heard from people that he is a muslim, went to a muslim high school, and even that he is strongly associated with scientology. I have seen no damning evidence of that, nor admissions on his part (he says he is christian... which btw is an issue in itself, because his christian minister for many years is an america hating racist)

Then again... this could just mean that mccain and palin are better crook then him, more capable at hiding their tracks. And still imperfect at doing so. "A little corrupted" might be better then "very corrupted", but still not someone I'd want ruling me (i'd go for the not corrupted at all thank you very much).

Sometimes I think we would be having better luck choosing a president via lottery. (of all tax payers with no criminal history)

it's all good. Didn't mean to imply you didn't do the math but only to provide information for ya.

There was actually a second part that was interesting that I chose not to write about.  Mainly because I'm not able to find the case to be legitimate.  It is Phillip Berg vs Barack Obama about his Natural Born Citizenship which at the time Barack Obama II was born would make him only a Naturalized Citizen not a Natural Born Citizen.  Not sure if you have heard much about it.  I found out that Berg was a hillary supporter when he filed in August 2008.

My understaning is the court threw out the case.

I have heard rumblings about it.  Just like McCain and being born in the PC Zone.  My understanding is that as long as you are born to American Citizens, or in the USA, it does not matter.  Since Barak's mother was a citizen, I think that point is moot.

This is what I said to the last person who brought this up to me... while I oppose obama's political views, it doesn't matter where he was born, he was born to a mother who was born in the USA. (now if he was really born outside of the USA, then to retain their natural born status his own children must be born in the USA. Second generation born outside of a country don't get a natural born citizenship. But they can become naturalized)

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Today, this was in my email box...the utube video about the attorney (Democrat) who is suing to have Obama produce his authentic birth records proving he was indeed born in Hawaii. Very interesting indeed and one more thing to add to the list to consider as we decide who is to be our next President.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/MISCNEWS/2006-UP/ELECTIONS/2008/OBAMA/OctSurpriseVideo081012.html

This is what is under the UTube video......

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Phillip Berg is a nutcase:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html

LGF have a notice on it:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31653_Lets_Stick_to_Facts_Please

And the entire birth certificate thing has been busted some time ago:

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

Seems to like Phil Berg is suing Obama not because he has doubts about his citizenship but because Berg simply sues anyone saner than himself.

That appears to be a large list.

Ok, I checked up more about the issue and it seems I am wrong on this one. He is probably not a natural born citizen. In fact a democratic atturny is suing on this regard...

there were some accusations of both obama and mccain not being natural born... McCain immidiately produced all papers, obama did not, only to eventually have a picture show up on his website, one that is clearly fake. And another DIFFERENT one show up on factcheck.org (an organization which has strong ties to him... monetary ties).

He is guilty of so many other crimes that I am not even surprised at this anymore.

Taltamir, Obama is a native-born citizen.

The guy suing is a nutcase.

well... the guy suing is making those points:

1. Rather then provide a judge with his authentic COLB (and be done with it) he has filed a motion to suppress.

2. Has confirmed the KOB released certificate to be authentic, when it is clearly a low grade forgery.

3. Had to have given up his american citizenship to attend school when he was a kid.

4. He says obama's grandma says she was there when he was born in kenya, obama said he was born in a hospital in hawaii, obama's sister said he was born in another hospital in hawaii (not the same one).

So lets see, 1 is not being denied by anyone, and unless this is a gotcha move (where he produces it in the last minute to discredit them) than he is only hurting himself. 2 is something you can confirm yourself (and I did). 3 I do not understand enough about to give a verdict. 4, this one is hearsay, he said she said. Did they really say that? does he have proof that they said that?

The big red flag is the endorsement of an obviously fake certificate. Anyone, with a teeny bit of photo editing skills OR a bit of background research can find it to be fake, there are so many different things that are wrong with it...

Either that, or it is a very fake looking original. Or rather... original certified copy. Since it was produced in Jun 6 2007 using a laser printer with 11/01 format. Maybe there has been some confusion of definitions (original vs fake used by some, while others mean original vs copy)

The guy suing is a nut.

He previously sued George Bush and Richard Cheney for committing 911.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html

Hawaii confirms the existence of the birth certificiate:

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

Obama's grandma might have said a lot of things, but she is not a stable person and will make up any story she thinks would be nice about her grandson.

I have not heard rumours about Indonesian schools not accepting foreigners.

Interesting, thanks for the info.

But seeing as I am an open minded individual (I was taught a person should have a liberal mindset... and that liberal means "an open minded individual who beleives in good", I kept the mindset but discarded the party association).. I wan't to judge his claims, not his own varacity as a speaker. Crazy people were right about things before.

No matter how much I disagree with an opinion, I look at the facts claimed by the individual to try and verify them or counter them. (which is why I would argue with bigots instead of dismissing them as racist to begin with; this gives me peace of mind knowing how faulty their arguments are, and that I am not deluding myself in the name of so called goodness).

As far as I can see now, the "best case scenario" is that obama released a certified copy of his birth certificate. Then his campaign confirmed it was "original", and original was taken as "the originally created document" and not "an original certified copy produced in 2007; with some minor issues".

This is one possible counter for point #2. The other is that the person claiming it to be authentic is lying. People have done that before. I am personally surprised that there is no comitee / judge verification of a person prerequisites before they even attempt to run for presidency.

As for

Although, in retrospect, even if somehow he is right though (a nut can still be right about things, by coincidence) it is better for this to be settled by election and not on a technicality.

Maybe the best thing that can happen to the US right now is obama demolishing the ecnomy, resulting in a great depression, and an "awakening" of sorts... But that is a big maybe.

Or maybe obama or mccain would be elected and end up fulfilling none of their promises...

the AofG videos are readily available - try watching them

No, the Clinton hate obsession was/is earth shattering.  Though the demonizing of Obama may wind up beating them out - time will tell.  I don't recall who's quote it is, but it's more relavant than ever - something to the effect that the stronger one clings to a label such as 'christian', the less likely one is to actually exhibit the traits associated with that label".  You realize, that Jesus was a liberal. Help the sick, give to the poor, etc.  WWJVF?  who would Jesus vote for?  Obama, that's who.  Now stop being so mean!

When it comes to forgiving people for their sins and attempting to heal them, BO's the sorta fella he had in mind.

Can't wait for the Good Rev Wright to be appointed as Chief Cleric at the National Cathedral.  Should be most interesting.

If I recall stories of the man correctly, Jesus was very much into giving one's own money to help the poor. I don't think he was known for taking other people's money (who knows what they would have done with it) to help the poor.

There are two forms of Christianity: self-Christianity (you give to the poor) and projected Christianity (you think others should give to the poor). Jesus was probably more a supporter of the first type.

Who would he vote for? Considering Obama's support for very late abortions and his association with racist preachers, I would doubt that Jesus would vote for him.

And you can demonstrate this?

I can see where you would mistakenly believe that.  But like all those who have only hate, you cannot see your own hate for the anger.  There was no hate of clinton.  There is and was a lot of contempt.  And there is a big difference.  But to you that only sees hate and only gives hate, I dont expect to see that.  Your hatred of Bush the last 8 years and now Palin (who is NOT running for president - although to see the mis-information and hate you would think so) is unprecedented.  Bu no longer unexpected.

I actually feel sorry for you.  You have nothing left but hate.  Even Obama winning will not sooth the hate as you will just find another target.