Unisin, thanks for replying. It's common misconception that 9.0.124 is a lesser version number than 9.0.28. You have to break the number up into parts. So we would have a 9 as the first ordinal, a 0 as the second ordinal and 28 as the last ordinal. Accordingly, if we compare 28 to 124, 124 is greater The test scripts confirm that the javascript is not malfunctioning on the page, but rather your browser is having trouble loading the flash applet.

At this time I don't have any additional suggestions or ideas for you. As there seem to be a few cases where people are having trouble with the flash applet, I'll continue to look into it.

Hi all,

Andrew, thanks for investigating. Hmm I sit corrected on the ordinals. But hey I'm Dutch and as far as coding goes, I never use anything but 0.9 so everyone know it's not finished. Ever

And I never *buy* anything that's less than 1.1

Oh drat, I lied. I bought Sin and am on 1.095 hmm.

Andrew all I can add is that my Striker-Extreme-to-Reserator 1+ (self-built; feel free to ask DXDIAG) system has no major probs (played EQ2; AoC; CoX etc. on it) but functions nominally. My 'worst' problem atm is indeed the non-functionality of Extentions under FF (had to get Cute FTP). They worked fine before FF 3.01 and of course I *did* get the IE-Tab & Fire-FTP latest updates. The extensions *show* in FF (not under Tools *directly* but under Tools/Add-Ons only; where you cannot access them only update/deinstall) but do not function (no Menu item). Maybe the Flash problem is related? The version is there, but the Browser does not recognize/initiate it?

I do not recall having changed any 'allow this or that content' settings in FF...but may have thought I 'enabled' something (mixed content stuff) while in fact I restricted something (else)?

If you think installing Exploder 7.x would be useful, holler I'll give it a go (but do not otherwise use it so would only do to help you fix this isssue).

That is all I can think of right now,

Thanks again,

Lucas aka Sinful

PS The whole thing is obviously no biggy but I am guesstimating it is like the edit-prob: you may want to fix it because it looks sloppy after a while 8-)

Unisin, don't you have any Firewall (or whatelse) which can block Flash animations ?

Hey all,

Neophil,

Hmm I have disabled the Win Firewall on XP Pro (first thing I do with any MS 'product' is disable all it lets me ) and only have Zonealarm running.

The only change in this regard I have made in (semi-)recent times is I have the AVG (8) Security Center running. However I just disabled it - no diff on avatar upload (it's giving the same error message in another FF tab right now).

Nice try though thanks - any and all other suggestions appreciated!

Lucas aka Sinful

I have been told that some users have had luck with uninstalling Flash using the uninstaller available here; http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ and then installing the latest version fresh. So that's something to try. This was specifically related to users on a French install of Windows XP.

Also, neophil and others still having trouble, please try out these demos http://demo.swfupload.org/ and let me know if any of them work ok for you.

As i don't understand what these demos are supposed to do exactly, i just can tell that i see everything perfectly (and with Flash blocker off IE7Pro ON )

As the Edit function is still not working, i do once more

[quote]I have been told that some users have had luck with uninstalling Flash using the uninstaller available here; http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/[/quote]

That's the way i uninstalled my latest version (which was even already tested as correctly installed by adobe ...) before re-installing it 

Hi all,

Hey Andrew,

Ok did not reinstall Flash as this is not a French system, mais vraiment

Did try the demo stuff, at least most of it. Here are your test results, good sir.

FF=FireFox 3
EX = Exploder 6

Simple Upload Demo
FF no (does not open 'browse' dialogue)
EX yes

Multi-Instance Demo
FF no (browse works; seems to try to start a procedure that does not initialize)
EX yes

Classic Form Demo
FF yes
EX yes

Features Demo
FF no (cannot select anything in left-hand column)
EX yes (all functions in left-hand column)
NOTE Did not touch Update Dynamic Settings or Restart SWFUpload

Application Demo
FF no (select non-functional)
EX yes

v1.0.2 Plugin Demo
FF no (hangs after showing http://demo.swfupload.org/v102demo/upload.php in tab - apparently nothing loaded on page)
EX yes

Cookie Bug Demo
FF no so...ah...
EX probably yes 8-) - but since FF gives a no-show I cannot confirm

SWF Object Demo
NOTE Well I am not sure what to test - if this is really helpful I can make a go at it but for a small problem this seems a bit excessive (at least at 1.30 AM :p). At the bottom of the page I find differing messages:
FF (start copy) SWFUpload is taking a long time to load or the load has failed. Please make sure JavaScript is enabled and that a working version of the Adobe Flash Player is installed. (end copy)
EX (start copy) is We're sorry. SWFUpload could not load. You may need to install or upgrade Flash Player. Visit the Adobe website to get the Flash Player. (end copy)

Thanks for continuing to dig into this,

Good luck,

Lucas aka Sinful

* Celerity is never more admir'd
* Than by the negligent.
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* Antony and Cleopatra

neophile, Unisin thanks for testing those demos. I'll be using that data you've posted to see if theres anything else I can come up with for you guys.

I'm hoping you guys are still up for some more testing. Apparently, Yahoo uses a variation on the same component that we are using. And by extension, Flickr uses this as well.

If you guys are up for it (and I hope you are) please go to http://flickr.com, sign up for a new account (if you dont have one already) and go to http://www.flickr.com/photos/upload/. Please let me know if that works for you or not.

Hi all; Andrew,

Dislike disappointing you but I have left Yahoo a long time ago (do not like their privacy policy & terms). No Flickr for me...however...

Friend of mine has Flickr and I also talked him into buying Sins last month. I will ask if he can upload an avatar image here; if not he might be able to test *for* me (you). Good enough I hope?

Sorry I cannot be of more use right now but my PC is sort of most of my life (work/study/play); I feel I have to be strict in this.

Other requests will still fall on fertile ground Andrew. Except sometimes I may not want to use the specific shovel you provide

Good luck,

Lucas

* No profit grows where is no pleasure ta'en;
* In brief, sir, study what you most affect.
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* The Taming of the Shrew

We did not concern each other, but exactly the same for me

Ho hum,

I think neophil meant 'consult' but what do I know, I'm Dutch

Test: friend was able to upload avatar & he Flickr's every day so - no help here alas.

Pretty sure Andrew can think of something else to help us spend our time neo

Lucas aka Sinful

Well guys there isnt much I can do if you're not willing to try that out for me. (there is something about your browsers on your computers that is the problem, and I would need you to test with the same browser on the same computer that you cannot upload avatars on)

They dont install anything on your computer, so I'm not sure what you're worried about. Afterall, you can just stop using the account when you're done testing the upload. Use a silly picture that you dont care about, use my avatar. Anyhow, I looked for another demo of the yahoo component and didnt find one. Let me know if you guys change your mind in the future. Until then, I'm afraid there's nothing more I can do.

Problem for me (well if the add-on blocking Flash animations is on) is ONLY for uploading Desktop screenshot (and had always been for Desktop screenshot). Avatar & Personal image always worked

sorry andrew, that's just not accurate. it seems that you are asking us to comprimise our security settings in order to be a part of the site. isn't this bass ackwards??? my way or the highway mentallity??? we don't care we don't have to kind of thing??? just thinking out loud

wimpy, I've attempted to address your unique view on our systems many times in many posts. Your reasoning is completely different than the reasons Unisin and neophil are stating for not trying out the Flickr uploader. Please hold off from injecting your views on browser/sercurity settings into this discussion any more. I know that you're passionate about it but it is nearly off topic at this point and it's not helping me to diagnose the problems that others are having.

Aloha,

Wrapup time for me on this thread:

Andrew I understand it might be a bit frustrating to see neo & me not trying out your Flickr suggestion but we ('I' from now on; I cannot speak for others) do indeed have our reasons. For one, there is a Flickr account (Pro I think) that you cannot even delete. I publicize (commercially) my views on such things and will never concede to what I see as extreme (I can handle Google, for now, but it is in some respects a tad dodgy too) infringements on privacy rights and such. However that topic does not belong here so I am leaving it at that.

wimpy's: 'sorry andrew, that's just not accurate.' - It seems to me he is failing to say *why* your 'it's a browser problem' conclusion is not accurate. He may have a point but I do not see it explained and I would think A's reaction is therefore legitimate.

Andrew all I can still say is: ever since - not sure what I started uploading with; Atari ST probably - ZX81 based Timex 1000 (yes I am that old :p) I have modem'd around (20mbit at home atm) and while some software was not to my liking I never had a problem with uploading anything anywhere ever. I realize 1) this does not mean I cannot have it now but also you should perhaps realize that 2) while the demo's you suggested failed on FF they succeeded on Exploder. Hence, would it not be reasonable to allow for the possibility the issue is related to a way browsers work, rather than restricting it to 1 specific browser (obviously, FF is problematic here - perhaps if you find out why it does not show me my Extensions you will be on a related/helpful track?). Because even on Exploder I cannot upload to the Images section here...

Up to you to figure out; feel free to PM me if there is another way to help because as of now I will put my own pro-Sins energy in completing, then posting an 'bugs & problematic issues' list if I can (yes too late for 1.1).

On the whole, I do not much care about avatars (but bugs bug me) - in my personal view, it is Stardock's problem, not mine

May still peek at this thread to see if I can be of some small use.

Good luck,

Lucas aka Sinful

* I dare do all that may become a man;
* Who dares do more is none.
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* Macbeth

WC has undergone recent changes (the forums identify specific "other" issues encountered) that appear to have impacted the user experience. These changes could effect how your browser and its security settings interact with the site and its features. IE6 is not longer supported and I was required to up to IE7 as IE6 no longer functioned properly here. I was unable to upload a windowblind and another user suggested a URL not linked but still active that worked. I had to enable flash in order to upload changes to my personal data (I have issues with flash). And these are just my experiences.

oh, and just a note on the ordinal comments. the system referred to is an esoteric numbering system that defies common logic and does not comply with any recognized standard. The number of digits per set are usually defined to avoid confusion by the casual user (you and I). We're assuming that the number of digits is three (could be 4, 5, 10, etc?) for this specific set since they used .124, the correct method to have identified the previous version would have been .028. (reference: ISO9000)

Thanks for the explanation,

> I have issues with flash

Truth be told: I would respectfully suggest that in general (KIS(S)) principle) - and defo for or something as basic as uploading a picture - the most simple system should be used that requires the absolute minimal amount of updates and/or extensions. There may be reasons to take a different approach but they should then be evident to your average user perhaps...like some added feature people asked for. Even in that case I would make *that* feature optional so problems *can* be avoided. This thread is already 3 pages and Stardock can at some point use Andrew's time on the clock in better ways I would guess (problems need solving at some point).

On the ordinals: if even Adobe uses .124 to .28 I *should* have realized that my own notion (indeed, .028, I completely agree and always have adhered to that standard) to do it the *right* way is often superceded by someone else's notions to do it the easy (read: lazy) way 8-). I noted though that Adobe uses '0's' in other software.

To the point: maybe a simplification of the upload procedure is the best answer until the thing gets sorted. Unless of course neo & myself are the only ones having the problem, but then we all know that this is exceedingly unlikely. One might want to get to a solution that works for all; not because the problem is all that important but because others will have the same complaints in the future.

Lucas aka Sinful

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                                                              system that worked."

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Arggghghgh ok apparently I *should* have pasted that in Notepad first to get rid of all the formatting - any ETA on EDIT functionality? - sorry though, Lucas.

Hmm,

Andrew just to inform you: copying that Sig into the Quick Reply box does *not* show the MS Word formatting info (only shows up after processing). Maybe you might want to change that? Typically another 'no biggie' though...hopefully not too much off-topic.

Lucas aka Sinful

I think adobe bought out macromedia some time ago and probably left everything in place as it was. Even though I try to avoid its use, I don't think their system was broke so, why fix it. WOW, now that's a novel idea, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

like my grandmother use to say, "just cause you can, doesn't mean that you should".

Hehe ok fellas. The last few replies have gone pretty far off topic from the discussion around Avatar/Image uploading not working for peoples. By all means please continue your discussions surrounding browsers, changes and personal philosophies, but please start up a new post about that outside of the Forum Issues category

Righto,

Progress: under IE7 Flash did (first time; tried before without effect) Update.

I no longer get the 'did not initiate properly' warning in IE7. I still get it in FF 3.01 though.

However, the three '+ Upload File' buttons do nothing zip zilch nada as far as I can see. I am patient but I have waited for a good while and nothing seems to initiate.

So...next step in this GAS*, Andrew? Any notions?

*Great Avatar Soap, yes?

No, not to worry, my 4 avatar images are still sitting pretty in a folder!

Good luck,

Lucas aka Sinful