KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

+93

My Thoughts on the VP Choice

Everyone is anxiously awaiting the news

I am axiously awaiting the naming of the VP positions especially for McCain. There still could be a chance I'm not going to the polls this year. Hopefully this won't happen but alot hinges on the VP choice McCain makes.

During this past weekend's Q&A with Rick Warren of the Saddleback church John McCain answered very simply to the "when does life begin" question. He came right out and said life begins with conception.

Obama, on the other hand, gave this long convoluted answer which in my book was really a "I don't know" answer. But then again, Obama has extreme pro-abort ideas and he's sticking by that pro-choice position. I like Ronald Reagan's stance on this issue. If we don't really "know" and there is much debate on this "when does life begin" issue shouldn't we NOT abort and err on the side of life? He said we don't bury a "seemingly" dead person until we first make darn sure he's dead first. So why kill a human being if we're undecided on when he becomes human first?

There has been some talk about McCain choosing a pro-abortion VP. I guess what he'd be saying, by doing so, is that abortion is not that big of an issue and if his VP is a pro-abort guy than so be it.

I would have a problem with that.

Because if McCain really believed that life begins at conception, he'd do all he can do to protect unborn life and picking a VP who is ok with murdering babies in the womb, in my book, is hyprocrisy. How can two walk together if they can't agree on the most basic of all basic things?

At least, Obama is upfront with his belief even if, in my book, he doesn't have a clue about many things including the abortion matter. He's not being hypocritical but only relaying what he believes to be true, At least Obama (and I cringe when I say this) is sticking to his beliefs and is honest with us on this issue.

Somebody told me this week that if McCain picks a pro-abort VP then he will vote for Obama even though he strongly disagrees with him. His reasoning would be if McCain goes against what he believes (or says what he believes) by picking a pro-abortion VP then he deserves to lose. I'm not sure why McCain would go against his own belief and that of the majority of the party that supports him. To me it would be political suicide.

I know one thing. I will NOT vote for Obama for any reason. If anything a NO vote for McCain is a vote for Obama anyhow.

We will know soon enough.

What do you think?

politics

Locked Post

Advanced Search

Watch this post

Do not email me updates for this post Email me updates for this post

Successfully updated karma reason!

See, I agree with you on the issue, but I am not using it as a litmus test. Why? The next president (or the one after that) is not going to change things. Even if the pope was elected, it would not change things. So I understand when McCain indicates it is not a big issue. It is not if you are looking for what he will do, versus say.

Successfully updated karma reason!

KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

+93

I'm not so sure things wouldn't be changed. We can't be sure.

Last year, Senator Obama told the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that he supported another proposed law called the Freedom of Choice Act. That legislation would overturn all current restrictions on abortion, including the federal ban on partial-birth abortions and all state restrictions, such as parental notification laws and waiting periods. It would also force taxpayers to pay for any abortion that a woman couldnt afford on her own.

And with a democratic congress it's as good as done.

Also McCain is 72 years old. If anything happens to him, his VP is going to be very important. Already there is some talk that there may be one or two Supreme Court Judges who will step down and that the next President will be weighing in on this decision.

Successfully updated karma reason!

I'm not going to get into the whole abortion issue other than to say that I completely disagree with you, but based on the arguments that we have had on other threads that shouldn't be much of a surprise.

What I will say is that no matter what the VP choice is please vote. Unless you live in a state that doesn't allow third party candidates onto the ballot (Texas is one that makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible) then you can at least consider a third party candidate if you don't like McCain. Hell if you don't like who McCain choses you can write in Donal Duck as a protest vote, just please whatever happens please vote. The only way anything is going to change in the way this government runs things is if it starts to realize that the people are paying attention and exercising their right to vote people into or out of office. The only way to really do that is to increase voter turn out, so if you stay home on election night you are essentially telling the government: "Go ahead and do whatever you want" and from your post here that is the opposite of your position.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Vote Nader in '08!

Actually, I hope McCain picks Huckabee, since that's an unelectable ticket. And I don't want that old codger (who's bound to keel over like the old, tired family dog anyway during his term) to be president.

Of course, I don't want Obama to be, either . . .

Successfully updated karma reason!

I am axiously awaiting the naming of the VP positions especially for McCain.

Me too!

Because if McCain really believed that life begins at conception, he'd do all he can do to protect unborn life and picking a VP who is ok with murdering babies in the womb, in my book, is hyprocrisy.

Same here!

How can two walk together if they can't agree on the most basic of all basic things?

That's the point, they can't. That's why in key social issues such as abortion is, the VP should be in the same lineup as the President is.

I'm not sure why McCain would go against his own belief and that of the majority of the party that supports him. To me it would be political suicide.

If McCain chooses a pro-abort VP, it will undoubtedly be for some political gain that he thinks or is told would be of more value than the pro-life vote. You are right that choosing a pro-abort VP woulld be political suicide. Surely, if we can figure it out, and if he is a serious pro-life candidate, then he surely knows this as well.

The GOP platform is pro-life so why would he go against that? It doesn't make sense that he would.

I know one thing. I will NOT vote for Obama for any reason.

I agree. And I know something else....that I will not vote for McCain if he has a pro-abortion VP. Period.

I am so sick and tired of Republicans, the supposed pro-life party, aiding and abetting the furthering the killling of innocents in the womb. It's got to stop...that begins with me and my one vote.

What do you think?

I think your thoughts of the VP choice are pretty much my thoughts on the VP choice. Thanks for the good article, KFC.

Successfully updated karma reason!

I wish the issue of abortion was not involved in the presidential process. Regardless of one's views, I feel that it's an issue that should be deciced by "the people" and not the president or the supreme court. It shouldn't matter what the President believes about abortion. It should matter if the President will abide by the will of the people on what *they* believe about abortion. It is for us "the people" to decide what is right and persuade others to a concensus, not those in Washington that are to serve us.

As for McCain picking Lieberman or Ridge, I don't believe that it's important for a Vice President to be a mirror to the President's candle. Only poor leaders surround themselves with yes men and those who do not challange their own beliefs.

Successfully updated karma reason!

I don't believe in a one issue vote. I understand you feel stongly about this issue. I still think you have to look at the big picture and not choose one candidate over another because his VP choice believes a certain way on ONE issue. The point may be moot anyway because the articles I have read said that McCain is NOT going to choose a pro-choice VP.

Successfully updated karma reason!

then you can at least consider a third party candidate if you don't like McCain. Hell if you don't like who McCain choses you can write in Donal Duck as a protest vote, just please whatever happens please vote. The only way anything is going to change in the way this government runs things is if it starts to realize that the people are paying attention and exercising their right to vote people into or out of office. The only way to really do that is to increase voter turn out, so if you stay home on election night you are essentially telling the government: "Go ahead and do whatever you want" and from your post here that is the opposite of your position.

I agree with your encouragement to go and vote, El-Duderino. I'll vote for a third party only if he's pro-life though. I'm a one issue voter. I'll go to the polls becasue there are usually other elections and referendum questions on the ballot.

Successfully updated karma reason!

I want John McCain to pick Joe Lieberman as VP.

I like Joe Lieberman, I support most of his positions, and I like his style. He is not acceptable for liberals, of course; but ironically he is a total minority representative (Jew, religious, man).

Finally a McCain/Lieberman ticket would truly unite Republicans and Democrats, that is moderates of each side.

And both are fairly old which means that Hillary can become president after them. After McCain a Democrat WILL win, I am sure, and I actually liked Clinton and didn't like that Obama and the Democrats have done to Hillary this year.

Successfully updated karma reason!

I'm a one issue voter.

Then you're essentially a useless voter, putting everything on one pony like that.

Perhaps it's best you don't, then.

Successfully updated karma reason!

The two big third party candidates that are pro-life are Bob Barr (libertarian) and Chuck Baldwin (constitution?). The hard part is getting them on your states ballot. Bob Barr didn't get enough signatures to get onto my states ballot yet somehow Cynthia McKinney did, go figure.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Finally a McCain/Lieberman ticket would truly unite Republicans and Democrats, that is moderates of each side.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would do anything but divide people. For one thing if he chose Lieberman he would alienate his base more than he as a politician already does. The conservative base is already on shaky ground when it comes to McCain, picking a "Democrat" would send them running for any other conservative they could get their hands on (Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin primarily). I just don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would have any chance of winning in Nov.

Then you're essentially a useless voter, putting everything on one pony like that.

I wouldn't say useless, every vote serves a purpose, I would say that one issue voters are missing the point most of the time though. It's fine if they want to focus on one issue but they have to deal with the consequences of such an action since doing so can mean you get someone in office that does everything you hate except for that one issue.

Successfully updated karma reason!

GENGHIS HANK POSTS:

I wish the issue of abortion was not involved in the presidential process.

Me too.

It wasn't until the 1973 US Supreme Court decided to make the barbarism of "abortion on demand", anytime, for anyone, for any reason, the law of the land. Now, it's so prevalent, it's birth control.

That's what we have to deal with.

It shouldn't matter what the President believes about abortion.

It shouldn't, however, it's critical now since it's the President that nominates all the federal judges.

Successfully updated karma reason!

It wasn't until the 1973 US Supreme Court decided to make the barbarism of "abortion on demand", anytime, for anyone, for any reason, the law of the land. Now, it's so prevalent, it's birth control.

I have been trying to stay out of the abortion debate as it is a rather touchy subject for me but I can't any longer, I will however try to hold back a little.

Abortion is a necessary evil. Yes abortion is not pleasent and anyone who thinks it is an easy decision for a woman to make is fooling themselves, but it is necessary. In cases of rape and incest it is essential. In cases where the woman's health is at risk it is essential. And because it is essential in those cases it needs to be safe and legal in all cases so that there are enough doctors around to do the procedure on those women that need it.

Are there women out there who abuse abortion and use it as a primary form of birth control, probably, and it shouldn't be used as a primary form of birth control, but that is no argument for getting rid of abortion all together because of the reasons I listed above. Maybe it could use some more regulation but that starts you down a very slippery slope where you are drawing very fine lines between reasonable regulation and infringing on what should be rights.

I am going to attempt to leave my comments on the subject at this but we'll see if it holds.

Successfully updated karma reason!

KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

+93

I don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would do anything but divide people. For one thing if he chose Lieberman he would alienate his base more than he as a politician already does. The conservative base is already on shaky ground when it comes to McCain, picking a "Democrat" would send them running for any other conservative they could get their hands on (Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin primarily). I just don't think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would have any chance of winning in Nov.

I absolutely agree with you on this one El-D. For one thing you've been reading my mind. I'm thinking (and really have right along) that if McCain picks a pro-abort VP that I would vote for Baldwin. All along I don't usually like to do this (and never have), because I know he's a spoiler but when you feel like you don't have a choice, it's a way to voice it I suppose.

Abortion is a necessary evil

now, of course this I strongly disagree on. In fact, if you dig just a little, you'd find that the abortion decision made in 1973 was all founded on lies. And continues to operate this way. I strongly recommend reading "Won By Love" by Norma McCorvey on exactly what happened back then and subsequent to the infamous decision of 1973. Then go back a few weeks ago and see if you can drum up the news that quietly went unnoticed about a report by Bernard Nathanson (a hero to the movement back then) who commented on the many lies that had to be told to get abortion legalized.

We were tricked basically.

Successfully updated karma reason!

KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

+93

I still think you have to look at the big picture and not choose one candidate over another because his VP choice believes a certain way on ONE issue.

While that does sound ok and good what bothers me is the fact that McCain has clearly come out saying he's pro-life. To pick a partner that doesn't agree means they start out divided already and makes McCain look bad from the get go.

The point may be moot anyway because the articles I have read said that McCain is NOT going to choose a pro-choice VP.

I hope you're right Boudica.

Successfully updated karma reason!

There still could be a chance I'm not going to the polls this year.

KFC, I would encourage you to still get to the polls for other issues. The Senate and House seats are extremely important. I only see one House of Representative seat for Florida up for grabs (15th Congressional District). I'm not sure if that is your district but if it is then Your vote is crucial.

I'm not excited about either Presidential Candidates (currently) but the House and Senate election is very important.

As for my pick on VP Choice.

I would love to see Sarah Palin as his pick. The media buzz is Mitt Romney and I would be okay with him.

M2C

Successfully updated karma reason!

In cases of rape and incest it is essential.

That is difficult. If this is about the rights of the unborn wife, why should the unborn baby be punished for his biological father's (or in the case of incest for his biological parents') crime?

In cases where the woman's health is at risk it is essential.

Yes. But I don't think that has ever been the issue.

And because it is essential in those cases it needs to be safe and legal in all cases so that there are enough doctors around to do the procedure on those women that need it.

I don't follow that logic.

If we allowed abortion under certain circumstances, why would it have to be legal under all circumstances?

Successfully updated karma reason!

Anthony R

Join Date 01/2003

+59

My guess is that McCain will pick Pawlenty and Obama will go with Kaine.

Successfully updated karma reason!

It wasn't until the 1973 US Supreme Court decided to make the barbarism of "abortion on demand", anytime, for anyone, for any reason, the law of the land.

Roe V Wade did not do that.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Obama will go with Kaine.

Please! Before he destroys this state!

Successfully updated karma reason!

Please! Before he destroys this state!

Amen ...I'm here too.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Lula posts:

It wasn't until the 1973 US Supreme Court decided to make the barbarism of "abortion on demand", anytime, for anyone, for any reason, the law of the land.

Dr Guy posts:

Roe V Wade did not do that.

Yes, I should have correctly said that in 1973 Roe v. Wade established abortion as the artificial "law of the land"...as there is no "right" to abortion and never will be as long as Justice looks down from Heaven. Willful murder is a sin that cries out for God's vengeance.

Abortion is not legal and therefore is not the "law of the land". Article VI of our nation's founding document declares that "this Constitution, and the laws of the United States...made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties...made...under the authority of the US shall be the supreme law of the land." What is clearly missing here in the list of supreme laws is court opinion, including that of the US Supreme Court. And this is a biggy. Our Constitution writers knew that a court decision could never be law, much less supreme law of the land. This is especially true if that court desision contradicted the Constitution itself.

Roe V Wade was judicial supremacy absurdity by unelected justices! It's nuts and has resulted in the intentional death of over 50 milliion babies. They are complicit with every death by abortion and we Catholics are complicit if we vote for a pro-abortion politician who furthers this murderous holocaust.

El-Duderino posts:

Abortion is a necessary evil

and KFC POSTS:
In fact, if you dig just a little, you'd find that the abortion decision made in 1973 was all founded on lies. And continues to operate this way. I strongly recommend reading "Won By Love" by Norma McCorvey on exactly what happened back then and subsequent to the infamous decision of 1973. Then go back a few weeks ago and see if you can drum up the news that quietly went unnoticed about a report by Bernard Nathanson (a hero to the movement back then) who commented on the many lies that had to be told to get abortion legalized.
We were tricked basically.

KFC is 100% right. Given the US Supreme Court justices for whatever reasons bought the lie and were basically tricked. OKay....that was 1973 and the truth has been revealed since then by everyone concerned. The father of abortion is also the father of lies. Christ said of Satan that "He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning." The lies surrounding Roe v. Wade and all the subsequent abortions that have taken place since are legion. It's nothing more than political correctness that talks about "caring and compassion" in helping a woman kill her child in what was once the most safest place to be in the planet.....the womb.

Successfully updated karma reason!

Keeping Religion out of it, first, it did not allow abortion on demand for anyone at any time. It clearly set up an arbitrary system of trimesters (and one of the reasons it is still called the worst case of law ever - either you have a right or you do not). Second, indeed, it never established a right of abortion, but used the right of privacy to dictate what a woman could do (again within the arbitrary deliniation set down by the justices).

As for it being murder, that is an absolute for some, an impossibility for others, and for the worst, just a case of situational ethics. The latter I hold in contempt.

Successfully updated karma reason!

KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

+93

getting back to the VP choice and the happenings in Virginia.

Alot of news going on in Lynchburg where Obama has been the last day or so. Seems as tho he had a big parking lot of 800 spaces all marked out next to where he was speaking. Well it turned out Liberty owned the land these parking spaces were on and refused to let Obama use it for fear of retaliation and trying to stay out of the whole mess.

So Liberty sent some of their police force to close up the lot and make sure Obama's people stayed out of the area. People are NOT happy about this. His following that is.

So Obama had to rent 15 bus loads to bus people in and all is not well. Protestors are everywhere and the cranks are coming out of the woodwork against Liberty. The Liberals are writing in to the local newspaper where my son is an editor. He said it's a madhouse right now. Someone likened the whole Obama following to a rock star group come to town. The following seems almost religious instead of politics per usual.

There was also some news that happened today although it can't be printed because it's not reliable enough but one of the reporters from the News and Advance got a text message from Obama's camp (It was one of Obama's numbers) saying he was one of the first to get the news of the VP choice. My son told me who this VP choice was although he said he wasn't sure he got it right so I don't dare say.

My son said to check the newspaper for the whole scope. Here's the link http://www.newsadvance.com/

In fact, the frontpage says "Barack Rocks Glass."

So, is he running for Rock Star or President?

Successfully updated karma reason!