KFC you contradict yourself.

First you say


And then you say


Either it is about giving or it isn't.

Has the AFA ever refused donations from any corporation on the basis of neutrality? I seriously doubt it.



By organization I assume you mean company. A company has no obligation to answer to it's customers for how it chooses to spend it's profits. They are only obliged to sell you a product and it's your choice to buy that product or not. How they spend the profit is, frankly, non of your business.

The AFA is nothing more than a professional blackmail organization attempting to force companies to comply with their wishes.

McDonald's is the newest victim of these people. Let's see whom else they have chosen to try to force into compliance with their view of the world (forced religious standards).

Marriott - The AFA and similar groups are attempting to pressure them into no longer providing their guests with the option of ordering pay-per-view movies with "strong sexual content". Like it's any of their business what people choose to watch in their hotel rooms.

Proctor & Gamble - P&G, headquartered in Cincinnati has the nerve to support a repeal of the city’s discriminatory Article XII which prohibits the inclusion of gays in any anti-discrimination laws. Oh,yeah, and P&G happens to sell advertising on As The World Turns, which had a couple of gays kissing.

General Motors - again, gay issues.

Ford - gay issues

PetSmart - because they chose to use 'holiday" instead of "Christmas" in advertising. Nothing like trying to force your religion on companies that are supposed to be "neutral" eh?

Numerous hotels for not having a bible in the room. Again, attempted forced religion.

Lowe's - for calling them "family trees" instead of Christmas trees. You're kidding, right?

Mrs. Fields - for not using the word Christmas in their product offerings. These people really need to get a life.

Sears - for buying advertising time on LOGO, a gay/lesbian oriented tv network. Gays buy stuff too ya know.

These are just a few I found without even really trying. I'm sure there are many more but these serve to illustrate the kind of people in AFA. They are bent on forcing their religion on anyone and everyone whether they want it or not.

well it is my business if it's my money...but yes, you're right they can do what they wish but I don't have to support them by giving them my business.  AFA is just reporting to any who care that our money is going to a cause that supports homosexual marriage. 

and you're certainly entitled to your opinion.  I see them more as a watchdog showing us how our money is being spent.  There would be no McDonald's if we all choose not to patronize them. 

I know this may surprise you Mason but there are people out there who care how their money is being spent.  I'd be a hypocrite if I said I was against homosexual marriage but then support it with my dollars by patronizing businesses who turn around and give their profits to causes I have an issue with. 

Interesting that you didn't say a word about the homosexual who is suing Zondervan for $50 million for publishing bibles because it says homosexuality is a sin.  I blogged on both and yet this is the article that draws the attention?  Why is that?   Or how about the Lesbians who sued a Christian Photograher and won because she refused to take their business on moral grounds? 

Does this only work one way? 

first there is no such thing as a delicious burger at McDonalds.....;P 

second of all, Mormons do not believe in homosexual marriage...the last I knew, so isn't that going against your own religion by supporting this? 

 

It ceases to be your money when you give it to them in exchange for their product.


Exactly true. Everyone has the choice as to whether they buy a product or not.


No, they do more than that. "Reporting to any who care" is a far cry from calling for an organized boycott in an attempt to do deliberate financial damage to a company.


YOUR money was spent on a hamburger. What they are doing is crying about the way McDonald's money is spent. HUGE difference there. The AFA is attempting to blackmail a company into not spending their own money in a way the AFA finds objectionable.



Yeah well, good luck with that. Spoken in the true spirit of corporate blackmail.



It may surprise you to learn that I am a busy person and don't get to read every little thing that is posted on JU. I catch what I catch. The person mentioned is an idiot and is resorting to the exact same or blackmail I object to here. I hope the judge tosses him out on his ear.



In this country if you run a public business it's against the law to discriminate. The photographer should find another line of work or not do photography for public hire. I can just see the lawsuits flying if I refused to haul or deliver freight based upon such a bigoted attitude. And rightly so.

Here's a thought to ponder folks. Most of us work for someone, an employer of one type or another. How exactly would you feel if your employer told you what you could and couldn't spend your earnings on? What charities and other organizations you could and couldn't donate money to?

After all, it IS your employer's money ya know.

exactly! That's why we won't give our money to these organizations and go elswhere. There's no shortage of places to go.



well they can't twist our arm now can they? Calling for a boycott is not making us do anything and usually everything else is done first in order not to call for a boycott.



Well where are they getting the money? It's not from our hamburgers and shakes? Are you telling me I'm paying EXACTLY the price of a hamburger with NO profit? Do they make their own money in the back alongside the fries?



ha! me too! So we hit common ground!



so what about Christian pro-life nurses being put on an abortion floor? Do you think that's ok? I know one who was pressured to do so.



no, we're not telling them NOT to do what they're doing. We're saying if you support a cause like homosexual marriage, I'm sorry but I can't support you.

What you're saying is, if a boss hires you to do a job and he finds out you're supporting homosexual marriage with your pay he can say, sorry I can't pay you for the job you did? Ridiculous. And this issue has nothing to do with homosexual workers anyhow. Not the same thing. It would fall under the anti-discrimination laws anyhow.

Buying a hamburger elswhere does not violate any laws.

Nazarenes? Do they? We're too small to won sky-scraper real estate. We're lucky to own dirt-lot real estate.

Then why give 'em it?

Perfectly within your rights as a consumer.



Oh please. There are AFA sheep out there who will do anything they are told without question. It's corporate blackmail plain and simple. We're talking about a large organization calling for their members to attempt deliberate financial damage to a company. Otherwise they would simply report the facts and allow their members to decide instead of calling for a boycott.

The whole point of a boycott is a publicly declared refusal to patronize a business until that business agrees to certain demands. In this case, forced religious beliefs.



Now you're just being silly. I thought you were smarter than this. Should I use crayons? It stopped being your money the second you exchanged it for that hamburger. It becomes their money not yours and you damn well know it.


Only because this one happens to fit the anti-gay agenda?

I am anti-stupidity of all sorts.



Yes actually you are doing exactly that, through blackmail tactics.

Definition of a boycott: to combine in abstaining from, or preventing dealings with, as a means of intimidation or coercion

You're telling them to comply with your viewpoint or else. That's called blackmail.



Yes, it's quite ridiculous, but that's what these people are basically doing. You are paying them to provide a product and then trying to tell them what they can or can't do with the money you have paid them. Pretty ridiculous huh?

How about if your boss found out that you were donating a portion of his money that he pays to you to a church he doesn't like and told you to stop it or he wouldn't give you any more work? How would you like that?

I notice you have a thing for crayons.

If it stopped being my money, why should I continue to invest it?

It's my investment, therefore should I not invest in only things that I agree with?

You're an idiot. How can you continue to invest money that you have paid to someone else in exchange for a product? Try and make sense once in a while.

I invest in a company by buying their product. They sure make a profit off of it.

That's not what you said moron. You implied that even though you had paid them for their product it was still your money. Maybe English is too hard for you?

You are harassing me, stop it!

No, maybe you misunderstood me.

You're a whiny little moron aren't you?



No, I understand English perfectly, perhaps you've just never learned how to express yourself intelligently. That can be quite the challenge for a born idiot.

Capitalizing on my lack of using harsh language?

I'm so surprised...

Yeah, the stupid are easily (and often) surprised.

Knock it off. Now. I will write to Stardock if you continue to attack me and derail this thread.

Surprising the one with the "stupid" accusations can't spell right.

Oh, now the idiot of the keyboard is going to give me spelling lessons? Pray tell oh master of the senseless statement, what did this poor wretched mental superior to yourself spell that defies your puny understanding? I await with breathless boredom your stupidness.

Stardock has been notified. I'm tired of being harassed every time I log on.

Awwww, poor baby. You tire easily.

What a pathetic worm.

Yeah, I'm sure this will be a huge success since the AFA's boycotts drove Disney, Ford, Proctor and Gamble and Kraft out of business - ha ha. 

exactly and that's the point here.  AFA is informing us and I agree with their decision and will also honor this boycott.  I did not honor the Disney one but will honor this one.  So...so much for the sheep mentality. 

It's not blackmail.  And I've already covered the sheep mentality thing and btw I'm not an AFA member.  I rarely join anything.  I have problems with committment. 

So you're saying that I'm only boycotting McD's because they are telling me too?  If they only gave me the facts, I wouldn't boycott?  You're not serious.  

 

Actually this is not a religious issue but a social one.  There are many non-Christians who also don't agree with the homosexual marriage. 

sorry but that was tit for tat here.  You tell me that when I walk into Mc'D's that my money is ONLY buying a product and that they can do anything with their money that has no connection to my hamburger I had to reply in kind. 

Well we all have our stupid moments, but I think men marrying men happens to be stupid as well as sinful. 

call it what you want.  I call it choosing to go elswhere. 

If you found our your favorite place to eat  (say Applebees) was supporting NAMBLA or PETA  or some other group (pick one) with every meal you ate and you couldn't stomach the organization would you continue to eat there? 

Wouldn't it bother your conscience?  Be honest. 

it's my money.  Why can't I do what I want with my money?  It's not blackmail.  I'm making a choice. 

 

 

 

First off that's discrimination and against the law.

I can answer this in a diff way.

My husband and I owned a CPA firm.  We hired an accountant who belonged to a cult.  Knowing all about that cult, I would say it was anti-Christ.  We paid her every week and I'm sure much of her money went to support this cult. 

The diff between us as an employer paying an employee and  patronizing a business are two diff animals.   In one instance we have no choice.  I have no choice in how my employee spends her money.  In the other I do have a choice.  I do have a choice in how to spend my money.

And that's it in a nutshell. 

It's a choice.   McDonald's has a choice and we have a choice. 

 

 

I am surprised at you KFC. I know we have not always agreed when it comes to religion but I respect you opinions and avoid making any rude comments towards your persona cause thats just me. But I have to point out that these comments above are very ignorant. Chances are there is not a thing you spend your money on that does not somehow go against something "the bible denotes as truly sinful". Our tax money kills people in other countries. Money you spend on a corner store for a simply product like a candy bar, a juice or even a loaf of bread could actually be used to purchase drugs or stolen goods. Every time you make a purchase at Walmart you give money to a company who people claim abuses it's employees and treats women unfairly. And don't get me started on the gas you put in your car related to possible terrorist funding countries. How many times have you purchased a product from a store you were unaware was owned by say, a lesbian, a gay, a KKK member, a drug dealer, a sexual offender or even a murderer?

All this time you had been buying McD's products unaware of what they did with their money. God, if you actually cared enough about this stuff you would not wait for groups like the AFA to warn you. How much does someone truly care about a cause when the only time they are inspired to do something about it is when someone else tells them they should?

Mason,

I can't give you any karma from here and once I get home, I can only give you so many. But from the bottom of my heart you don't deserve a cookie, you deserve the entire package for you comments on replies 61,63, 65, 67 and 69. Truly a work of art. LOL.

Granted, that's true, but surely next time you go into owning a business you could do more research and come to the decision that you don't want to employ someone who is going to support something you don't agree with, correct?

It's like (hypothetically) if I had a potential employee who supported the KKK. I wouldn't (both as an individual and business owner) want them on my staff. It may be discriminatory to some, but it's business to others. 

That being said, I feel you both have good points.