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Why is Left Unpatriotic?

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Why is Left Unpatriotic?

from JoeUser Forums
As I look around this site more and more it is very apparent who is left and who is right. What I do not understand is why many people to the right believe that having liberal views is unpatriotic. It just makes no sense to me. I love America. I like John Kerry and I believe Clinton was the best president we have had in recent times. I don't agree with President Bush's views, but does that make me hate America. How is it any different for someone who does not agree with a democrats view? That doesn't make them unpatriotic. It just boggles my mind that something as small as politics can divide people so much. That's just something I noticed. 'Nuff said.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

I apologize for bringing race into this, but I want to provide another example.


There are black students at my school. Some of them are idiots. Is that the same thing as saying black people are idiots?" Does that make me racist? If so, why? Surely, if calling Americans stupid is not anti-American, calling black people stupid can't be considered anti-black.

Reply #27 from PolMach Forums Top
I certainly don't think Americans are stupid. Some Americans are misinformed or misguided, but definitely not stupid. I don't claim to know everything, nor do I claim my opinions are correct. They're simply that: my opinions. That being said... I myself always thought that since America itself was built on ideals involving freedom, liberty, and justice, this also meant that its citizens were entitled to form their own opinions about the government, the legal system, etc. This would include, at least I would hope, a right to disagree with our elected officials. Why else do you think the forefathers of this country established the electoral process? Indeed, in the constitution itself it mentions a right to question our government. I would think... or maybe this is just a huge presumption of mine... that this would include (but certainly not be limited to) the President.

Bush, the last time I checked, is not the King, nor the Emperor of the U.S. He may be in office, but this does not mean I have to like him. You can like him, that's fine with me, I'm certainly not going to argue your right to like him. However, I hear, time and time again, how anti-American and un-Patriotic I am because I happen to not agree with Bush or his policies. Let's clear this up: I love America, but I don't like Bush. I think that much is possible.

Kerry, the man that I have to vote for since Dean is no longer a viable candidate, doesn't exactly appeal to me either, but he seems to have a far, far different vision for America that I happen to agree with. I guess this puts me in the "leftist" category, but so be it.

If Bush wins, I won't stop loving America, nor will I leave the country. However, please don't try to tell me that in order to love America, I also have to love the government. Keep in mind that, if Kerry wins, I'll remain skeptical and somewhat cynical, but at least I'll have hope. Bush just doesn't inspire me in that way.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
What I do not understand is why many people to the right believe that having liberal views is unpatriotic.

The more accurate question is, "Why does the right always paint the left as unpatriotic," but that's so easily answered...


And the answer is, the right does not question the left's patriotism, the left just squeals that, and then turns around and starts calling people on the right all sorts of dirty names, some of the mildest being "racist, homophobe, nazi pigs".

I would ask the author to name one prominent republican who questioned the patriotism of the left. Questioned their judgement, for sure. Questioned their results, always. But questioned their patriotitsm? Name one, and blogs cannot be used for documentation purposes.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Are you retarted? I am sorry but this pissed me off. I have nothing else to say to you right now.


I believe the word is 'retarded' Sandy, and you just pissed me and my sister off! My nephew is not retarded, he has DS, and what he lacks in intellegince, he makes up in love.

So stick that up your retart.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dr. Guy- this is from the blog Left & Right & Partiotism by Draginol:

But I think the most politically motivated Kerry supporters, those on the far left, are quite anti-American. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them intentionally choose not to buy American cars simply because they don't want to support an American company (even though their actions are essentially paying to outsource jobs).

If that isn't calling Democrats unpatriotic I do not know what is.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Draginol,

You're so far off here...

You'd be hard pressed to find articles on this site by "right wingers" that could be described as "racist".


Did you happen to miss little-whip's artical recently titled
Poor, Black, and Filthy??

That's just the beginning of all the racist crap that gets posted. Don't act like it isn't there.
Reply #32 from PolMach Forums Top
well.. heres how i think of it: Right wing is militaristic showing people we can fight back and blah blah blah while making enemies. The left wing come around later and make everythig peachy with the world and blah blah
any ways about the social experiment part of this, i have to agree with that, this kind of setup is starting to fail imho as there is becoming to many people to keep happy by the growin population and eventually the goverment will be seriously in trouble because what ever they do they will have some one complaining about it and going against it.
Reply #33 from PolMach Forums Top
That's all they can say about us. They can just call us names because they can't talk about the issues.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." - Teddy Roosevelt
Reply #34 from PolMach Forums Top
This is very important - the answer is spelled out very clearly in the book I listed below. This book is REQUIRED reading for any democrat/liberal/progressive. Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate--The Essential Guide for Progressives by George Lakoff
Reply #35 from PolMach Forums Top
But I think the most politically motivated Kerry supporters, those on the far left, are quite anti-American. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them intentionally choose not to buy American cars simply because they don't want to support an American company (even though their actions are essentially paying to outsource jobs).
Don't the importing laws say that the foreign cars sold in the US will be built in the US? If you buy a Toyota - it is probably built in Tennessee - so you are not outsourcing jobs. If you buy a Ford - many of the parts are made in Mexico. It's one of those strange things.