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The Word on Creationism

The Word on Creationism

The Word is "Lie"

What opponents of evolution (and other theories) don't understand is that science is not about finding the truth (that is best left to philosophy professors) but about finding out something useful about this world.

The predictions of theories can be used in engineering and other fields. Applications of the theory of evolution have been used successfully in such diverse fields as medicine and (yes) computer science. Evolution is solid, a tool that we can use to advance.


For a good article about the difference between a scientific theory and Creationism and the utter stupidity (and, I want to add, sacrilege) of believing in "Intelligent Design", see Steven Den Beste's essay about the human eye.

http://denbeste.nu/essays/humaneye.shtml

The vertebrate retina is a terrible design. The optic nerve comes into the eyeball at a certain point, and the nerve fibers spread out across the surface of the retina. Each individual nerve fiber reaches its assigned point, burrows down into the retina through several layers of epithelial cells, and ends with the light receptor itself pointing away from the lens of the eye, which is the direction from which the light must come. As a result, incoming light strikes the surface of the retina and must penetrate through multiple layers of inactive cells and then through the body of the nerve itself before it reaches the active point where it might be detected. This both diffuses and attenuates the light, decreasing the efficiency of the retina in accomplishing its function.

For a rationalist and atheist like Steven Den Beste, extrapolating from the existence of the human eye to a "designer" is illogical, because there is no evidence for design but plenty evidence for evolution.

For me, personally, saying that the human eye has been "designed" is blasphemy. I do not think it is all right to claim that G-d would intentionally create a faulty design or was incapable of doing better. (Plus I agree with Steven's thinking as well. There is evidence for evolution in the human eye, but no evidence for design.)


But the problem here is not the fact that some people are not capable of understanding complicated science and are thus forced to make up fairy tales that make them believe that they are as clever as scientists (and even cleverer since scientists don't "know" the truth), but the fact that those some people sometimes have the power to take away knowledge from the rest of us.

There are MANY countries in the world where Creationism is taught instead of evolution. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the majority of the world teaches Creationism to some extent, replacing biology or "adding to" biology in schools.

But what does that do for those societies?

Are they leaders in science based on learning something that is a "theory" just like evolution and a "better "explanation?

It's not enough to change the rules to allow Creationism (or "Intelligent Design") to become science, because what is science is not a decision made by man. It's ultimately a desicion made by nature (or G-d, if you will). Because science is something we can use to create.

When we look at the world and compare societies, we see that countries that teach evolution create technologies, whereas countries that teach Creationism, do not have the workforce to be leading in any field of technology.

Teaching Creationism causes stupidity. That's the problem.

And it doesn't help if "Christian" fundamentalists in the west blame Islam for it and pretend that teaching "Christian" Creationism will give better results, because the Creationism of Islam IS the Creationism of Christianity. It's word for word, letter for letter the same legend.

And it's phony. It's phony and stupid and a big lie.

    * Why does the birth canal run through the middle of the pelvis?
    * Why does the backbone run down one side of the trunk instead of through the middle where it would be more balanced?
    * Why does the ankle attach at one end of the foot instead of in the middle?
    * Why are there toes?
    * Why is it that nearly every part of the brain is as far as possible from the piece of the body with which it is associated?
          o Why is the motor control center for the right side of the body on the left side of the brain, and vice versa?
          o Why is the vision center at the rear of the brain, as far from the eyes as possible -- and on the opposite sides?
    * Why is it that fully 90% of the genetic material we carry around is useless?
    * Why do we share a single canal through the neck through which we both breath and swallow?

Biology has explanations for these oddities. Creationism does not. "It was G-d's will" is not an explanation, it's an excuse for incompetence.

(Why are some people born with a mechanism that destroys the beta cells in the pancreas, causing Type 1 Diabetes that is ALWAYS deadly within a few months without treatment? Would an "intelligent designer" design his subjects like that?)

Richard Dawkins called evolution the "blind watchmaker" because evolution does not "see" what it produces, it merely tries out what happens with the stuff it finds. I find the term "incompetent designer" appropriate for a god who designs things like us. And I cannot pray to an incompetent designer. How could I?

Teaching Creationism has never helped a society and is bringing down many.

 

Dear Creationists,

I do not want the western world to become a second "Islamic" world.

Do you not understand that?

 

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Reply #276 Top

Finally, I would like to point out that in terms of science, a great many of our esteemed scientists from the past (Benjamin Franklin, for example) were Christians.  It is very possible for Christianity and science to go hand in hand.

It's perfectly possible for Christianity and science to go hand in hand, hence there are no "Christian" and "secular" sides in this debate.

But it isn't possible for science and pseudio-science to go hand in hand.

I assume that most evolutionists are Christians too (apart from Dawkins who is an atheist).

Perhaps you don't understand the debate? You are new. I have written several blog articles about the subject. And I have not only read Dawkins and other biologists but also the Creation story in the Bible (in English, German, and Hebrew). I have certainly never said that religion and science don't go along.

But it is a typical Creationist lie that all Christianity is Creationism and that any criticism of the Creationist pseudo-science is criticism of Christianity. (Again, doesn't anybody ever wonder why Creationists keep lying like that?)

Creationism is, apart from pseudo-science, a popular belief among Christian and Muslim fundamentalists. (It's not widely supported in Judaism, thank G-d.)

 

Reply #277 Top

you would notice that they are attacking strawmen that don't actually exist in the real theory of evolution, or grossly misrepresent it.

Thanks, I do notice that.

Creationism is a lie, which is why Creationists require further lies to defend it.

There will never be a Creationist who understand evolution because understanding evolution means not being a Creationist. That's what science does to people.

 

Reply #278 Top

The two sides are lying and truthful, not secular and christians.
How about YOU read both sides instead of asking the creationists to explain BOTH points of view to you (they completely misinterpret the point scientists are making, and then counting those false points that they created.)

oh please!  Spare me. 

I was educated in a secular govermental school system for 13 years and forced fed Evolution from a humanistic materialistic worldview.  How about YOU researching what I read and get back to me after 13 years of seeing another viewpoint of the evidence? 

Why don't you tell me why after a hundred years of such secular humanistic education there isn't a 100% belief in the Evolutionary Theory?  They had the advantage over the Christians.   They had all the text books, and all the teachers who can ONLY teach secular evolutionary theory and yet there is a very high percentage of people who don't buy it.  Why is that? 

I know a HS Science Teacher who hates the fact he has to teach what he says is crap because if he even mentions anything outside of this, he gets fired.  Happens all the time. 

Call it separation of church and state...whatever! 

You want to be truthful? go read a BIOLOGY college textbook about evolution... THEN go to christianscience.com or whatever and look for counter arguments to what you learned in that biology book, you would notice that they are attacking strawmen that don't actually exist in the real theory of evolution, or grossly misrepresent it.

Go ahead.  Give me an example.  Go ahead.  Don't just talk big.   

Like I've said countless of times.  WE ALL HAVE THE SAME EVIDENCE.  THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.  The issue is none of us can recreate the beginning and both sides have to at least in some respect have a beginning. None of us were there to come back with a report.   Secular Science cannot nor can Christian Science so we have to make an assumption.  Did this all just happen or evolve or was there a designer that carefully constructed it all? 

 

 

 

Reply #279 Top

also... here is what evolution is:
Evolution:
1. there are genes (inhertable traits)
2. copying genes can be done inaccurately from one generation to the next, causing a change in genes.
3. more suitable genes allow a creature to survive, and thus are more likely to be passed on.
4. statistically the above means most species will have their genes change over time to suit their environment, however they would be rare exception, thats how statistics work)

You talk about probability, which has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is the opposite of probability.

ooh Really !!!!! may i suggest you read the first quote above :D

I suggest you read up on evolution first, before you make stupid points like that!

I really wish that you would read up on entropy and the second law of thermodynamics before you continue arguing

i am done arguing leauki ...

you know what i think? ... I think you are just arguing ... not to prove anything but to ...  well ... never mind.

 

Reply #280 Top

There will never be a Creationist who understand evolution because understanding evolution means not being a Creationist. That's what science does to people.

That's not true.  You've got it backwards.   My son (for example) is being recruited by Stanford and Harvard.  He's been told he's one of the most promising new researchers coming up from the Ph.D program in his field.  Right now he goes all over the country with his research and he's beeing commended for his hard work in the labs.  He's totally surrounded and schooled by hard-core Evolutionists.  They have NO idea he's a  hardcore Christian believer.  He's recieved grants, he's being schooled and 100% funded by the secular side of Science.  He can't open his mouth about this stuff because his career will be over EVEN THO HIS RESEARCH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION! 

Why is that?  You guys have NO idea what's really going on because you're not living it.  You've taken a side, been brainwashed and have swallowed what they have force-fed you hook, line and sinker.  I wish I could say more, but I can't because I don't want to jeopardize my son and his work.  There are many many like him.  Underground if you will.  You guys have no idea. 

Three commonly believed facts about the Scientist.

1.  He is unbiased

2.  He is objective

3.  He is infallible

Here's the real facts about the Scientist:

1.  He is biased (look at his books)

2.  He is NOT objective

3.  He is human. 

 

Creationism is a lie, which is why Creationists require further lies to defend it.

no Evolutionary Theory is a LIE.   A good intelligent Christian Scientist can make mincement of an Evolutionist in any debate. 

Most people have the wrong idea about what the creation/evolution debate involves.  Many have been deceived into believing that evoultuion is Science.  It is not a science at all.  It is a belief system about the past.   We only have the present to go by.  All the fossils, living animals, plants, planet and the whole universe exists in the present.  We cannot test the past using the scientific method (which involves repeating things and watching them happen) since all the evidence that we have is in the present. 

Its the same with creation.  No diff except for the fact that creationists base their understanding of creation on what they believe is God's revealed word to mankind and backed up by Christ who came to the earth, historically, to prove himself as The WORD of the ONE who was there. 

 

 

Reply #281 Top

Hey Leauki, if evolution does't make a claim as to the origin of the universe, then what does it claim?  Why bring up a whole bunch of stuff about evolution in the first place?  Creationism is a view of how life came to exist.  If evolution isn't, then what good are evolutionary arguments in stating that creationism is a lie?  You're supposed to present countering evidence, not irrelevant evidence.  Therefore you must either believe that evolution is its own view of how life came to be, or you're just arguing about something pointless (which is what I'm thinking).

If you're saying that merely copying genes, occasionally inaccurately, with some slight variations every now and then that produce a benefit within the same species, then yes, I would agree that evolution is a fact (as would any creationist).  It seems that this is what you are arguing, and if it is, allow me to point out that it's silly.  You can't use something that creationists believe is true to refute creationism.

Also, all true Christians do believe in creationism.  Read the first few chapers of Genesis again, in whatever language.  If you disbelieve Genesis, then on what basis do you believe the rest of the Bible?  You can't just take the Bible piecemeal and still be a Christian, you have to take the whole thing.  I'm sure someone will be offended by this, but that is how it is.  Better to have me tell you than God, right?

If you want to find a pseudo-science, take a look at radiometric (carbon-14) dating.  It is an unbelievably inaccurate way to measure age.

Oh, and KFC, have you seen that movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed?  It is a documentary largely about how Christians lose their jobs just because they question evolution (as an explanation of life's origins).

Reply #282 Top

they question evolution (as an explanation of life's origins)

Once more, with feeling: evolution is not and never has been an 'explanation of life's origins.'  Your handle is beginning to make some sense.

Reply #283 Top

No No Leauki....I said there is a lack of gravity....I think that is what I said...if not that is what I meant. But considering that statement anyway, we must consider the pull and forces of gravity on matter in the universe....I digress from that statement. There is an abundance of Gravity in space. We can, however, use your logic in another way. You don't see gravity on Earth but you know its there....then how can one deny God. It is the same way, I see his work all over the place, I see his work, his intervention, his provision.......so though I cannot see him, I see him. Understand?

But lets pull out the stops...shall we? Science cannot prove God.....because is is by faith that God is belieives. I fail to see how belief in God and his intelligent design of the universe would lead to a theocracy!!! That, my friend, is a stretch. In effect, with the unbelief rampant throughout the world and most tragically, in Israel, there is a kind of Dark Theocracy in power. One that suspends the natural law and ignores physical law when it suits it purpose.

We are all on a journey....man...woman. Placed here by a giant cosmic belch that destroyed and created at the same time or by a loving God that designed it all just for you and me. I have no problem believing in the latter because it tells me that we are a part of the blue ball we inhabit. Therefore we are stewards of it. Categorically, we can ascribe some of the blame to the deteriorating condition of this world to science as a whole....as we have become more advanced, our Earth has suffered because we refused the responsiblity of advancement. 

If we look at the whole of evolution...of the cosmic big bang......macro or micro.. the only small point that makes sense as far as evolution is concerned is adaptation. That I can see. That is advancement but a monkey making the genetic jump from tree swinger to Bill Clinton is just too far of a leap. Don't you think?

Reply #284 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 282
Once more, with feeling: evolution is not and never has been an 'explanation of life's origins.'  Your handle is beginning to make some sense.

Then why does Leauki try to argue against creationism with it if they're not even the same type of idea?  If evolution isn't about where life came from, then it can't be used as a counter-argument to a position that is about where life came from.  It's like trying to prove that the ground isn't hard by going swimming, or that sugar isn't sweet by setting it on fire - the points are totally unrelated.

And again, if you are arguing for evolution as a method of adaptation, you are also trying to prove creationism wrong with something creationists believe.  Hey, look at this 'missing link' fossil I found!  It proves evolution is false!

You see what I mean?

On the other hand, if you argue that it is more than just mere adaptation, then a logical extrapolation of that idea would be that life came about via said process.

Reply #285 Top

EVEN THO HIS RESEARCH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION!

So even though his research and knowledge has NOTHING to do with evolution, he can't go and say what HE thinks evolution is about? and that is somehow a BAD thing? maybe your genious son would not hold the lies of creationism (which are NOT universally christian) so dear if he actually learned and researched evolution. And Phd. are a dime a dozen.

Although it is my guess that he just doesn't have the patience to try to explain to his ignorant parent the depth of their stupidy and dissuade them from perpetuating lies. After all, your retarded notion will die with you, there is no need to break up the family over it. Do you think I argue with my relatives about their ignorances? It is smarter not to.

Evolution is NOT, never been, and never WILL be about the origin of LIFE.

Evolution is NOT a 100% atheist beleif.

All christians are NOT creationists.

Psudeo science is NOT science.

Reply #286 Top

IQ -

I respect your right to religious beliefs, but creationism, as an explanation for how species differentiate and evolve simply lacks scientific or biological plausibility.  There is ample physical evidence which supports the theory of evolution.  There is no physical evidence whatsoever that supports the theory of creationism, a theory based on words written in a book, however divinely inspired you assess them to be.  A collection of books, more properly, which have been added to, subtracted from, highly edited & translated by imperfect humans over as much as at least a thousand years, during a time when this branch of science was simply unknown.

It has been proponents of creationism who have offered it up as an alternative to evolution, not the other way round, and it has not met any burden of proof.  The theory of evolution is not an attempt to disprove creationism.  Creationism is an attempt to explain the 'why' of existence.  Evolutionary theory attempts to explain the 'how' of observed, documented physical evidence which suggests the differentiation & change of species over time.

Why the theory of evolution is such a threat to Christian beliefs is a mystery to me.  It is not anti-religious.  It postulates nothing about the 'why' of existence or how the universe came into being.  The more this subject gets argued, the more I believe that critical thinking and creationism are mutually exclusive.

Reply #287 Top

Ah... I see what you mean now.

Creationism isn't a theory of how species differentiate and adapt at all, it is one of how the universe began.  How the universe operates afterward is a different debate.  Creationism arose as a counter to those who claim that life came from nothing (perhaps I should say abiogenesis).

Creationism is an argument against this particular position, and against the idea that microevolution may continue without stopping until it becomes macroevolution.

Microevolution is accepted without debate.  Macroevolution is not.  And yes, these are two separate categories:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01

Reply #288 Top

Dawkins is viral man, his writings are one track...he's right, everyone else is wrong. I just don't like his writing. His conclusions are based on the idea that he is king of the universe.

Reply #289 Top

i just realized something, creationism IS the opposition of SCIENCE in general...

Evolution discusses the differentiation of species, not the origin of life, but creationism is basically the notion that everything was created as the "good book" says; and thus that part of the bible should be taken LITERALLY.

So it is discussing the origin of the universe, then the origin of earth, the origin of the sun, the "fact" that the earth is flat, the claim that the sun revolves around the earth, the notion that the earth is 6000 years old, the notion that life was created as is by god and all fossils are here to test our faith, and so on.

Almost every aspect of physical science is contered by the creationist theory. But instead of saying "we oppose science" they say "we oppose the theory of evolution with science" (which is actually psudeo-science, and attributes things like the birth of STARS and the ORIGIN OF LIFE to evolution, despite evolution having nothing to do with those issues).

Reply #290 Top

Oh, and KFC, have you seen that movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed? It is a documentary largely about how Christians lose their jobs just because they question evolution (as an explanation of life's origins).

Yes.  It was very good.  It was exactly what my son had been saying for years so most of it was familiar to me.  He really liked one Scientist on there...the guy in Paris, can't remember his name.  He thought he was pretty smart and had some very good thoughts on the whole subject while being very objective in the whole matter. 

So even though his research and knowledge has NOTHING to do with evolution, he can't go and say what HE thinks evolution is about? and that is somehow a BAD thing? maybe your genious son would not hold the lies of creationism (which are NOT universally christian) so dear if he actually learned and researched evolution. 

No not exactly.  He can't admit he's a Christian PERIOD!  It has nothing to do with saying what he things about Evolution.  It's just the fact that he's a Christian.  The idiots are those who believe you can't be a Christian and a reputable Scientist at the same time.  Including one Scientist he was collaborating with.  As they were working on this project the other Scientist said to my son that Christians were idiots.  This same Scientist thinks my son is a genuis.  So who is the idiot? 

He knows all about evolution much more than the average person.  He lives and breathes science and has for many years.  He says there are some good things about the Evolutionary Theory that are good arguments but it doesn't replace the belief in God or that God created the world exactly as he revealed to us. 

Like has already been said here, a true Christian is going to believe in the WHOLE counsel of God not taking bits and pieces that that satisfy his own thought processes.  There are those cafeteria Christians out there but I have to wonder how committed they really are to God since they dismiss his word and replace it with the latest whim trying to marry Darwin and Moses together. 

 

 

Reply #291 Top

Dawkins is viral man, his writings are one track...he's right, everyone else is wrong. I just don't like his writing. His conclusions are based on the idea that he is king of the universe.

exactly.

Why the theory of evolution is such a threat to Christian beliefs is a mystery to me.

It's the other way around Daiwa.  Evolution is the ONLY thing taught in the school system even though it's not a fact but a belief system.  The Christians, are ok with both sides being taught.  Let the kids decide as they look at both sides of this debate.  But no, the Evolutionary side which is secular humanistic wants no part of this.  But like I've said before, they have failed miserably percentage wise given they have had 100% captive audiences for years in the school systems starting in kindergarten. 

The more this subject gets argued, the more I believe that critical thinking and creationism are mutually exclusive.

Why is that?  Because we aren't conforming to your side of the argument?  I've asked repeatedly to Taltamir right here on this blog to back up his statements.  He hasn't yet.  He just insults and puffs his chest out showing how superior he has evolved.

Although it is my guess that he just doesn't have the patience to try to explain to his ignorant parent the depth of their stupidy and dissuade them from perpetuating lies. After all, your retarded notion will die with you, there is no need to break up the family over it. Do you think I argue with my relatives about their ignorances? It is smarter not to.

I find you very rude and condescending.  Does this stem from your belief?

i just realized something, creationism IS the opposition of SCIENCE in general...

wrong again.  Creationism and Genuine Science go hand in hand.  There is nothing in the bible that contradicts Science.  Care to find an example? 

The bible speaks of the circle of the earth way before that was discovered.  The bible also speaks how the earth hangs on nothing way before that was known as well.  How did the writer of Job ( thought to be the oldest book of the bible) and Isaiah know this before the Astronomers did? 

Hmmmm?

 

Reply #292 Top

wrong again.  Creationism and Genuine Science go hand in hand.  There is nothing in the bible that contradicts Science.  Care to find an example?

I listed it in the same post. Is the earth flat? no, is the earth 6000 years old? are fossils put there by god to test our faith? no, does the sun revolve around the earth? no. and so on.

Reply #293 Top

Evolution is the ONLY thing taught in the school system even though it's not a fact but a belief system.

Evolution is no such thing.  Christianity is a 'belief system.'  Evolution is a scientific theory.  It's the failure of creationism's proponents to understand this fundamental difference that makes me question their critical thinking skills.  There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever supporting the 'theory of creationism.'  We don't teach creationism as science for the same reason we don't teach astrology, palm reading and tarot as science.

Reply #294 Top

ironically, the leaders of the creationist movement DO suggest teaching astrology as well.

Reply #295 Top

There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever supporting the 'theory of creationism.'

nor is there any physical evidence supporting Evolutionary Theory as it's being taught in the governmental schools. 

I listed it in the same post. Is the earth flat? no, is the earth 6000 years old? are fossils put there by god to test our faith? no, does the sun revolve around the earth? no. and so on.

I assume you're speaking of the Catholic Church and their mistake with Galilao?  Ok but that has nothing to do with the bible.  The Catholic Church was wrong.  Wouldn't be the first nor the last time.  Scientists also are wrong and have to rework their data.

Show me anywhere in the bible that it contradicts Science.  If this is your attempt, it's mighty feeble. 

Oh and BTW Christopher Columbus was a Christian who was the one who discovered the earth was not flat.  Perhaps he read Isaiah and Job himself? 

Evolution is basically a religious philisophy.  Both evolution and creation are religious views of life which people build their philosophies, science or history on.  This is not science vs science but religion vs religion.  A belief system coming to head with another belief system. 

The famous evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky (The American Biology Teacher, Vol 35, March 1973, pg 129) quotes Pierre Teilhard de Chardin:

"Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow." 

To the Christian the only light we are following is Christ who said "I am the light of the world." 

It wouldn't take me much effort to show you that evolution is NOT science but religion cloked in Science. 

Evolution is not a scientific theory as any freshman learns in biology class by applying the scientific method.  A theory is something that can be proved over time and replicated.  Evolution does not meet these requirements and thus is classified as a hypothesis or an idea. 

Over 100 years ago spontaneous generation or biogenesis was accepted in the scientific community and thus the general population.  SP was based on superficial observation; fruit flies come from bananna peels, maggots from manure, bees from dead horses and rats from soiled rags.  Disbelievers in SP were riduculed (sound familiar?). 

SP was discovered by the careful experiement of Redi (1688), Spallanzani (1780), Pasteur (1860) and others.  They demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that SP was a false teaching (as in a LIE).

But ideas die slowly.  The obituary for SP was premature.  Insidiously spontaneous generation returned in the guise of evolution-life comes from non-life.  Today disbelievers in evolution are ridiculed (that would be me).  Neither of these ideas are based on TRUE Science.  Today evolutionists talk about gradual spontaneous generaltion only it takes millions of years.

oh and speaking of lies since you evolutionary thinkers keep accusing the Creationists of lying.....here's a letter  to the editor written by a biology teacher. 

"As a former teacher of biology, I am appalled to witness the dishonesty of academia in regard to the teaching of origins.  The teaching of the adult fairy tale called evolution, to the exclusion of other ideas is brainwashing and not education.  I thought science was a search for truth.

I always assumed that a good education would present various points of view, allow students to think critically and draw their own conclusions.  Why do evolutionists feel threatened by different ideas on origins?

They hide behind the fear of religion being taught in the classroom, but intelligent design can be taught without bringing God into the classroom.  On the other hand, sorry to say, evolution is a religion, and those who preach it and practice it bow down to their own God. 

In China, you can criticize evolution but you can't criticize the government.  In the U.S. you can criticize the government but you can't criticize evolution.  " 

 

 

Reply #296 Top

ironically, the leaders of the creationist movement DO suggest teaching astrology as well.

well I don't know where this would come from since most Christians are AGAINST astrology as the bible condemns it. 

Another lie perhaps? 

 

 

Reply #297 Top

I think it's more like an epidemic of false Christians running around ruining people's perceptions (i.e. people who think that Genesis shouldn't be taken literally).

By the way, if you think evolution has nothing to do with where life came from, then you're an idiot, I don't care how much you deny it.  Just because evolutionary theory doesn't say how life came about, it is no less a theory of life's origin.  Sure, evolution technically doesn't work on rocks, but evolutionists still have to explain how that life got there in the first place.

Why do you think evolutionists use the Miller-Urey experiment as a huge trump card?  He made a few amino acids, not life - if evolution isn't about how life came from nothing, then why would they care?

If you fail to realize this, then it is pointless for us to argue any further.  An illogical belief defies all logical refutation.

Even so, I still want you to read this article:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/retina.asp

Reply #298 Top

Evolution is basically a religious philisophy. Both evolution and creation are religious views of life which people build their philosophies, science or history on. This is not science vs science but religion vs religion. A belief system coming to head with another belief system.

KFC, this is utter nonsense.

It wouldn't take me much effort to show you that evolution is NOT science but religion cloked in Science.

Give it your best shot.  But if you think you're going to persuade a sentient being with a quote from 'some biology teacher,' you're nuts.

nor is there any physical evidence supporting Evolutionary Theory

And this confirms it.

Reply #299 Top

Sure, evolution technically doesn't work on rocks, but evolutionists still have to explain how that life got there in the first place.

No, we don't.  Haven't & won't.  Call people idiots all you want, but evolutionary theory isn't defined by you; it doesn't have to do anything on your say-so.

I'll try again:

'O Heavenly Father, I pray you spare us from those of your flock who fail to see the beauty of your creation, which is evolution.'

Reply #300 Top

Well, KFC, you're on your own now.  I have concluded that it is impossible for me to do any good here, because at the end of the day, people believe what they want to regardless.