If it wasn't taken so seriously,I'd use the report button on your smug ass,You are hindering my enjoyment of this site,which I have paid to support.
These people on WC are helpful,talented and fun to be in contact with.
Far more than I can say for you.
Why don't you just go back where you belong.Everyone has made their point,time to move on.

I now wouldn't put hyperdesk on my PC if you were giving all of them away.You have no class.

With the history of these lot and the inflated egos, it seems its hard to keep it civil.
I dont really give a hoot who has earned the biggest contracts here, i just enjoy the work that has been put out, from both parties (TSF and Non TSF).
So take your sour grapes somewhere private Maybe have a slugfest on msn. Although that probably wouldnt be as fun for you lot, seeing as noone will be able to see who has come up with the biggest burn on each other.

Time for a spliff i say... :CONGRAT:

https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6297&libid=1 by vStyler

Blows away Sony ericson.

Dear Skins Factory people,

I offer you free advice on how to improve your public image.

Advice 1. Muzzle your CEO. He is your own worst enemy.

Advice 2. You reap what you sew.

Advice 3. put up real screenshots of your work. You will keep getting accused of deceipt as long as you don't present your work as it actually looks on real computers.

This thread is a cesspool. As lovely as it is to have people supporting Stardock, it's almost on the verge of fanboyism in here, which in turn gives the site a bad name.

Seems a lot of folks in here just want their 2 cents jibe because they have something against Jeff, rather than the software. I don't care for the fact that he publically insulted some of the folks I work with at Stardock Design, but I can look at their work objectively, without thinking I'm some authority on design, and say I think the Disney theme looks fantasic. It has some of the nicest icons I've seen.

Every time someone here thinks they're firing some kind of smug shot or retort against the software, it does reflect badly on Stardock and Wincustomize, as if we condone people being shitty to each other on here over some ones and zeroes. And of course if the thread gets locked when it gets as bad as this, someone still gets made out to be the bad guy.

Hippy makes a very valid point here. I wonder if we are all adult enough to just let go of this and move on?  :NOTSURE: 

TI don't think moving on is required but keeping it civil is.

Hyperdesk was hyped.  Evaluating it is fair.  Being asses is not.

Carry on.

wow.  :NOTSURE:  :SNIFF!:    (:( 

I had nothing personal against Hyperdesk,other than non-compatibility with Vista.I have several TSF WMP skins and they are excellent.I know TSF is capable of delivering great products and was willing to try them for myself.Not any more.
Having the CEO come to my favorite site and insult me,or the people I consider my friends was not the best move for a company that wants me to spend my money on their products,imo.
The fine people that work for TSF deserve better leadership.Good luck with Hyperdesk.There may be room in the market for it,but not on my computer.

True.  We should be treating this thread as any other on here, and that goes for TSF, too.  Bashing on people is not acceptable, no matter what.  So, let's try and keep it civil and a discussion instead of a flame war.

It wasn't meant to be, honest.  (:( 

I have no doubt about that, but this is the last warning for this thread.

I'll all for a more civil discussion. That was my intention initially. But a person can only take so much before you want to fight back. This is nothing...

Who remembers the lashing i got at skinz.org when i tried to recruit skinners to do work for hire? Now that was brutal.

But love me or hate me, we've paid our dues. Look how far Brad and I have gone in that time. That was back in 1999 and now Brad is doing like 20+ million in revenue and growing and we'll i'm not hehe but i'm not eating ketchup soup either

A lot of the issue stems back from some problems between TSF and Stardock over business things in the past that i'm not going to go into. But Brad and I seemed to have worked things out, there's no reason we can't either. i don't mind you criticizing our work but don't call us lazy. No one works harder than we do. When you spend all your days and nights on something and then read people picking it apart and calling you lazy, you have to say something.

We have even discussed putting out versions of our work in the WB format. Do you honestly think having more skinning ability is something we would not want? I had to come up with a skinning solution of our own in a fairly short period of time and since i used the patch it was the most natural way for me to do it. Would have taken years to develop a WB clone.

You never, ever see me post on a skin i don't like. Not for years and years. If i don't like something i don't say anything. Go on deviantART and point out a comment i made to an artist where i just said their work "sucks". You'll never find one. I might make a suggestion on how to make something better. That's it.

So let's erase the past and start anew. Who knows maybe good things can come of it. And no vstyler we're not taking time to compete against you in the competition. Too much work on our plates.

This is what is known as an olive branch.

Sounds good.   

There is room for everyone to play in this area and learn from each other.  We used to have multiple high profile skinning sites that "competed" with each other, but we all got along. This should be no different.

I will say right out that Software is not easy to do.  However, it's easy to take for granted what Stardock has built up over the years, so comparing a new solution to it is like comparing apples to apple blossoms.  It takes time, development and feedback to make it stable. 

Art is subjective, but technology either works or it doesn't.  HyperDesk is brand new, so we need to look for the potential instead of at the kinks that need to be worked out.

I agree.

Jeff just wanted to wish you all the best with Hyperdesk.Hope it goes well for you... :HOT: 

Yeh good luck. Gimme a damn vista version soon huh?

He's posted numerous times that they are working on it. Be patient.

Perhaps I could have chose a better word than lazy, extrememly simplified maybe, barely any actual work involved in the areas in question ...maybe.. regardless.. for both of you, supposed professionals, to come in here like stampeding rhino's insulting everyone, calling me personally names like kiddo, lesser skinner, mini-napoleon, demented etc etc.. is unacceptable. This after a long reputation of doing the same thing in the past.

I tried giving u honest criticism on DA and you blocked it.

Its a pity you wont enter the contest   

I'll accept that olive branch if only for the better good of the community and people I happen to care about very much and wish you luck with Hyperdesk in the future.

Thanks Butch.

vstyler: Sometimes its how a person says something not what they say. Also perception plays a big part of it. If I see someone just signed up the same day they bash us, i take that as hostile and not legitimate criticism.

Vista: I have a copy of Vista running on my iMac. I want to skin it, but like i said, the strong majority is still on XP (as high as 74% some days). Given how much time and money we're spent on developing Hyperdesk app, the site, the themes (no matter what you think of them) i have to focus on the masses first. Ideally, having Stardock allow us to use their format and sell Vista versions of our themes could be possible. I haven't looked into the EULA yet to see if we can use the format for commercial reasons. If we can legally, then i would sincerely looking into porting some of the themes to WB Vista while we work on the Hyperdesk Vista App. I guess we would remove Hypertheme on the installer and replace it with Windowblinds and deposit the WB file on your desktop for you to click since we won't be including WB in our app obviously. Not sure where we'd sell it though.

"comparing apples to apple blossoms"

Beautiful, just beautiful.

(and I'm not just sucking up cause she's my boss!!!)

I know munkeh, just making sure they dont forget ;p



Ooooo i like the sound of that.

Again - your condescending tone here is absurd. I ask again, just who are you to be passing judgment on his work? And don't try to take the high road, you were being an assh*le, plain and simple. It wasn't 'this isn't my cup of tea, I would have done it differently', it was 'he did it poorly and I do not deem this work worthy of my appreciation'.



There was no stampede on my part (Jeff's reaction speaks for itself, hehe - I do have to buy a muzzle for my good buddy). I simply pointed out to you that your abilities in no way entitle you to the attitude you're spouting. That simple. If you don't like being called kiddo and mini-Napoleon, then stop acting that way.

As for the lesser skinner thing, I guess I should really apologize - but I won't. In my original post I never said you sucked, nor did I say or even imply that my abilities were in any way greater than yours... I only stated (and quite correctly, I might add) that the quality of your work, however good you might think or be told it is, in no way justifies your attitude. I continue to stand by that.

It was only when you got defensive and started daring me to a pissing contest (very immature I might add) - thus implying that you were in some way more skilled than myself - that I decided to take some well-deserved stabs. You went there first.



Like I said, it's utterly pointless. I already know I can design circles around you and I really don't care enough about your opinion or acceptance to invest the time. I'll just continue pushing out stuff that looks better than yours day-to-day - just like I've always done.

Peace to everyone else - but vStyler needs to learn some humility. Where he gets off with this condescending attitude of his I'll never understand.

Ok i just finished reading all 15 pages of these posts, and have come to the conclusion, that everyone, and i mean everyone, needs a little quality time off, step outside and take a deep breath. Your all creating unnecessary stress on each other, and life is too short for that, and i tend to be an expert on stress, i worked as an officer in a maximum security facility for 23 years, so i know all about it. I dont know anyone on here, but after reading all those posts i feel like i am your next door neighbor