GOP Presidential Candidates Have NO Clue!

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The GOP presidential debate yesterday contained a segment about the fiscal problems facing our country. The moderator sighted the Comptroller General warnings about the debt and continued budget imbalance as well as the coming problems with funding Medicare and Social Security. The GOP candidates agreed with the assessment of the Comptroller General that we have created a very serious problem. However when the questions of how to deal with this were pursued it became clear none of the GOP candidates have a CLUE!

On one hand they admit it is a major problem and then blame it on entitlements. That showed either a complete misunderstanding of the problem or a refusal to face the real cause which has NOT been entitlements i.e. Social Security and Medicare thru 2007. Both these entitlements have produced an annual SURPLUS which has been used to finance the deficit in the discretionary portion of the budget. None of the $9 Trillion dollars of debt comes from either Social Security or Medicare.The problem with entitlements is in the FUTURE. The coming problem with entitlement will be ON TOP of the problems created by the discretionary spending that has exceeded tax revenue since 1981. The candidates also claim we can solve the problem without any real sacrifice and propose to cut federal revenue more with additional tax cuts. That is not true and is totally opposite to what The Comptroller General has documented. The solution to BOTH the existing $9 Trillion dollar deficit and the coming problem of entitlements as the Baby Boomers retire will require MAJOR sacrifices by Americans.

ALL the GOP Presidential candidates are in denial as to the extent and solutions that will be needed to address the growing financial storm on the horizon. To all this must be added the huge trade deficit and falling value of the dollar as well as the energy situation. We also heard the same refrain that the “Market” will solve the energy problems and that we do not need government policies to help reduce our dependence on foreign oil. There was the admission of the problems created by OUR dependence on foreign oil but the same old refrain of the “Free Market” will provide the solution. If that were true, why is the energy problem for the United States getting worse every year? The truth is to solve the energy problem we need to have both government incentive and penalties that move forward domestically controlled alternative energy supplies and far more efficient use of oil including higher mileage for cars, trucks and SUV’s. Most of the GOP candidates admit their policies over the past 7 years have failed but at the same time they proposed, for the most part, to continue those same policies with only minor changes. If you are looking to solve the fiscal, trade and energy problems NONE of the GOP candidates are for you!
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
If you are looking to solve the fiscal, trade and energy problems NONE of the GOP candidates are for you!
Of course it was time for another anti-GOP propaganda post. Instead of always complaining about the GOP, why don't you tell us what democrats are going to do to solve anything. I'm sure you can't because increasing taxes on one class of people and funding more entitlement programs will not solve the problem either.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ah, COL Gene... I can always count on your copious use of bold and underlined rage to stir the pot!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
The coming problem with entitlement will be ON TOP of the problems created by the discretionary spending that has exceeded tax revenue since 1981.
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you have really got to go back to history class.


this country was in debt before we had a constitution. and they decided to keep it that way when they signed the constitution. i do believe that was a long time before 1981.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
If that were true, why is the energy problem for the United States getting worse every year?
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because your driving a 1998 and a 2002 car and it isn't time to change cars
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL the GOP Presidential candidates are in denial as to the extent and solutions that will be needed to address the growing financial storm on the horizon.
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no taxes go up when you cut taxes and to cut the deficit you reduce spending.

house spending is up 63% this year. they haven't even passed the budget for the physical year that we are in now.



who is in charge of the house.


and she said she had to spend the money to take back power that the GOP gave to them when the GOP was in power.

so their not doing their job but their spending a massive amount of money on nothing
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The solution to BOTH the existing $9 Trillion dollar deficit and the coming problem of entitlements as the Baby Boomers retire will require MAJOR sacrifices by Americans.
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this is a true statement.

sacrifice does not mean taxing the rich and giving it to the poor.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Island DogPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007If you are looking to solve the fiscal, trade and energy problems NONE of the GOP candidates are for you!Of course it was time for another anti-GOP propaganda post. Instead of always complaining about the GOP, why don't you tell us what democrats are going to do to solve anything. I'm sure you can't because increasing taxes on one class of people and funding more entitlement programs will not solve the problem either.


This has NOTHING to do with pro or anti GOP it has to do with the answers given in the debate. If you look at the facts and at what the Comptroller General has DOCUMENTED, the answers from the GOP candidates do not agree with the facts as presented by Mr. Walker who has many times the credibility and understanding of the fiscal issues facing our country then ALL the GOP candidates COMBINED!!
Reply By: ArtysimPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007Ah, COL Gene... I can always count on your copious use of bold and underlined rage to stir the pot!




I use the Bold and Underline to get through the THICK heads of some on this Blog site! What I posted is accurate and it is a shame that we do not have candidates from the major political parties that are ready to address the major issues. I will look at the Democrats today and will be just as critical of them if they show the lack of understanding the GOP candidates showed yesterday!

this country was in debt before we had a constitution. and they decided to keep it that way when they signed the constitution. i do believe that was a long time before 1981.



I have gone back-- we had $900 Billion of debt at the end of 1980. The debt has increased almost 10TMES since 1980 and 90% of the ADDED debt occurred during Republican Administrations!!!!!!! Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43.
Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
If that were true, why is the energy problem for the United States getting worse every year?
because your driving a 1998 and a 2002 car and it isn't time to change cars


No since I am driving the same cars my contribution is the same is it has been. I am also driving LESS miles now compared with 10 years ago. Again you are full of BS!


house spending is up 63% this year. they haven't even passed the budget for the physical year that we are in now.


That was also true in the past when the GOP was in control. The reason the spending bills have not been passed is because the GOP is blocking action and Bush has threatened to veto the bills under consideration. Seems like it is the GOP and Bush that are causing the delays. The House should pass the spending bills, refuse to pass any more continuing resolutions and if the GOP in the Senate or Bush wants to shut down the government lets pin the tail on the Elephant!


Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
The solution to BOTH the existing $9 Trillion dollar deficit and the coming problem of entitlements as the Baby Boomers retire will require MAJOR sacrifices by Americans.
this is a true statement. sacrifice does not mean taxing the rich and giving it to the poor.


It will require BOTH spending cuts and added tax revenue. We must insure that the added tax revenue come from those that got the BIG TAX CUTS and are the SAME people that can afford to pay a little more in taxes! So far as Medicare and Social Security are concerned we must either increase the money going to these two programs or we will be forced to cut benefits and fail to keep the promises we have made to those that are retired and about to retire.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
so, here's an idea idiot!  Don't vote for any of them.  Wow, what a novel concept!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
sacrifice does not mean taxing the rich and giving it to the poor.
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Sacrifice should mean taxing the rich, and giving less to the poor. i.e. the poor will have to go without many modern conveniences such as cable, private internet access, etc. Without those opiates, though, will it result in people putting forth more effort? Or will it lead to revolt?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
It will require BOTH spending cuts and added tax
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this is true but it is also true that you increase the amount of taxes by giving tax cuts. as long as you don't go to far.


the majority of income tax comes from selling stocks and bonds and properity.


when income tax is high these sells become fewer. when the tax is low there are more sells.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here is a example of the problem:


Senate Republicans Move on Energy Bill
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, AP
Thu Dec 13, 11:33 AM EST
The Senate was on the verge Thursday of approving and sending back to the House the first increase in automobile fuel economy in three decades and huge gains in ethanol use as part of a compromise energy bill.

Democrats were forced to strip away a contentious $21.8 billion tax package including billions of dollars in tax increases on the biggest oil companies because of determined Republican opposition and a White House veto threat over the new taxes.

Democratic leaders fell one vote short, 59-40, in getting the 60 votes needed to overcome a GOP filibuster. Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., was the only Democrat to break ranks.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sacrifice should mean taxing the rich, and giving less to the poor. i.e. the poor will have to go without many modern conveniences such as cable, private internet access,
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these provide taxes too.

don't believe me look at your bill.

my taxes on this is almost as high as my phone bill is alone. and the phone bill is set in stone.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Democrats were forced to strip away a contentious $21.8 billion tax package including billions of dollars in tax increases on the biggest oil companies because of determined Republican opposition and a White House veto threat over the new taxes.
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good then maybe gas prices won't reach 4 dollars a gallon next year.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just think ColGene, every dollar you accept increases the federal deficit. And you say you CARE!!! LOL
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply | Edit | DeleteReply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007so, here's an idea idiot! Don't vote for any of them. Wow, what a novel concept!


ONLY IDIOTS WILL VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM. HOW ABOUT YOU?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
ONLY IDIOTS WILL VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM. HOW ABOUT YOU?
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i believe he was talking gop and democrats. and i know i have been on different threads for the year that i have been posting on here.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
It will require BOTH spending cuts and added tax
this is true but it is also true that you increase the amount of taxes by giving tax cuts. as long as you don't go to far.


The data shows that the tax cuts have not increased tax revenue from economic growth enough to replace the lost revenue from the tax cuts. The Comptroller General and the Brooking Institute also showed that by making the Bush tax cuts permanent will increase the national debt even MORE!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
Sacrifice should mean taxing the rich, and giving less to the poor. i.e. the poor will have to go without many modern conveniences such as cable, private internet access,
these provide taxes too.



Taking from the poor and many middle income families will cause them harm. Taking a little from the Rich will not cause then ANY harm!
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Personally ColGene, I couldn't care less what you think about me. Call me an idiot for voting GOP, or for Hillary, or for YOU... but since you're right so rarely, I don't have to even give it a thought.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007Just think ColGene, every dollar you accept increases the federal deficit. And you say you CARE!!!


What I accept I earned over the 40 years when I worked and paid taxes so the prior generations could live.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007Personally ColGene, I couldn't care less what you think about me. Call me an idiot for voting GOP, or for Hillary, or for YOU... but since you're right so rarely, I don't have to even give it a thought.


OK YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007Just think ColGene, every dollar you accept increases the federal deficit. And you say you CARE!!!


What I accept I earned over the 40 years when I worked and paid taxes so the prior generations could live.
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this does not change what parated said.


and you want to take away all of frogboys money. i would venture to say that he worked and earned all of his money too.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Taking from the poor and many middle income families will cause them harm. Taking a little from the Rich will not cause then ANY harm!
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and since over 22,000 of the households in the US that are considered "poor" have a heated swimming pool and/or a jaccuzzi, apparently taking from a lot of the poor folks won't do them any harm either.


I still notice that you count yourself out of any increase in taxes, even though you are richer than most Americans. Idiot.



What I accept I earned over the 40 years when I worked and paid taxes so the prior generations could live.
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And so did many of those you so bigotedly call, "the rich", but that doesn't stop you from wanting the government to take what they earned.

Face it, you are just a theif who is too cowardly to steal the money yourself.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
ONLY IDIOTS WILL VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM. HOW ABOUT YOU?


Once again Col demonstrates how little he really cares about the average American or the Constitution since he believe that anyone who votes for any of the GOP candidates is an idiot right off the back. This is proof that Col does not come to JU to debate issues; he is here to demand we follow his religion of hatred and that anyone who denies his words of wisdom is doomed to eternal idiocy. This is not a forum to hold debates on peoples opinions of current events, this is a forum where you are required to join a cult, follow the words of the leader (in this case Col gene) to the letter or otherwise be branded as ignorant, stupid, an idiot and overall the cause of, what his cult believes will be, the end of the USA.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
He doesn't come here to debate, he comes here to Mass Debate.




oooh, did I type that out loud? ;~D