Actually thats false. Many studies and IQ surveys have returned with very positive results. People with more money are indeed more intelligent and have a better education.

As for the arguement of old people leaving and new people coming, I just have to say that there are a lot more new people coming then going.



I'm fairly certain they would not be targeted by this survey, but then again I would need to see some refrances.

You know not once did you ask him who conducted this, I mean for all you know the information could be biased or false based on the researcher.



This setance has problems.



First off I was exagerating, second off I have much better things to do with my time then read statistics. And as for the rich lossing income you have to be joking me.



Which can't possibly be true. In the US, the distance between those in poverty and those in the top income bracket is probably one of the biggest in the world. And its been increasing.



Personally you both need some classes on how to better use your time.

I mean sheesh it took me like 10 minutes to read all this. I wonder how long it took to type and put together.

Yes, there is a trend. But it isn't an accurate measurement.

TGE there is a minor trend backwards, but let me ask you who earns more, Scientists or the owner of a small but successful restaurant? the correlation is minimal, its certainly not helpful for the extremes, how smart are CEO's? and its not really the exception.

not very...

I bet to differ, are you saying IQ test don't measure intelligence and that most of the surveys used for the government don't process the information of the general populace well?



Its not a measure of actual intelligence, and its organized by income brackets. But I won't explain it much further. If you really wanna know all this edumacation and dough correllation then read the Bell Curve. I don't recommend it though as valid reading matterial, its very difficult to understand.

hm, income surveys survey income? who would have thought...

like I said, any highschool dropout can own a small succesful restaurant and out-produce a scientist with 3 pHds.

there are plenty of books on the subject, but the thing is that they almost all admit taht the correlation works from intelligence => pocketbook, but not pocketbook => intelligence. they are mutually exclusive correlations.

if you say so...

./pops some popcorn -- isn't it fun to watch people ignore what the other is saying, and just substitute what they think (or want) them to be saying?

So, who wants to share my popcorn?

truly, I'm wondering to which tests TGE could possible be refering

*grabs a handful of popcorn*

hey, you didnt let eets near any of this did you...

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Actually its the other way around that I was talking about richer = smarter. At least as far as IQ tests go, and most other aptitude tests.

so CEOs are smarter than nuclear physcisists? owners of small buisnesses than mathematicians? farmers than high school teachers?


no, you've got the correlation backwards, more education implies a probable increase in income, but an increase in money implies near to nothing about the person.

They aren't scholastic aptitude tests, they are just aptitude tests and IQ tests. And what i'm talking about is people in the upper middle class and higher. Its true, especially when you look at the factors that contribute to generic intelligence and mental well being. Acess to resources, cultural interests, proper neutrition, social interaction.

And its not about causation, its about correlation. One doesn't cause the other, but one is present with the other.

*sigh*
again, they are correlated well in one direction.

this is irrelevant, as you're talking about upbringing. we're talking about when you're already smart or not.

this isn't relevant because we've never brought it up. we dont have any data regarding it.

give me a good survey solidly founding your claim.

No, I'm not. I'm talking about correlations between being rich and being smart. Rich = generically better IQ scores. Its not upbringing, cause as far as I know people don't stop learning or eating after they are 18 years of age.



What? and who is this we?



Sigh.. I'm not going to spend my time, you want to spend yours check in the vast resources of the APA, or maybe read the book I'm getting this stuff from.

While hilarious, making fun of someone with mental defects just isn't nice.

So, schod, read up on dementia, it's just too painful to watch you get lost reading single sentences and forget your previous posts. On second thought, someone else read up on dementia for him, if he does have it, he wont remember that either.

Tge, the survey isn't a survey, it's data mining of the IRS records to track income. They do one every nine years. You're referencing it like I didn't link the study or something, so WWW click it and stop wondering. This study is one of the reasons I hate the world, it shows in black and white that all the class warfare bullshit is just bullshit. The study includes a set of data with no new entrants using the exact same cross section for 1996 and 2005, as does the previous study from 1987-1996, the near identical results of which are in the appendix as well.

The rich as a whole do continue increasing in wealth, the top 1% gained 12.5% mean income for the ten year set. The median however fell 25.8%, this does mean that some of the rich are still getting richer, and as a whole they are gaining, but they are the slowest gaining group, on account of rich people dropping income brackets almost as fast as poor people gain them. The bottom by comparison gained the previously mentioned 232% mean income. Not to say there wont be any rich people left after a while, plenty of people from the other areas of economic prosperity replace the fallen.

It really is an interesting study, well worth at least perusing the tables. Capitalism is not a stagnant thing where the rich exploit the rest of the population, rich people regularly get knocked off the list of rich people, and poor people get added to it.

On I.Q. tests, worthless really. If you've taken one, you know exactly what they are. Puzzles that are easily solved if you have the knowledge to do them, and otherwise only if you're a genius. Teaching yourself how to solve a rubiks cube is a perfect example. The right genius can look at one and instantly know what to do. With enough time, even a retard can figure it out.

*sigh* I've had enough of arguing someone who doesnt understand the basics of logic and debate. psychoak, enough of you.

TGE if you want to continue debating points with me, fine, at least you know what you're getting at instead of stringing together generic two cent insults and repeating the same old nonsensicle crap.

Aww.. a compliment.

Now see, it doesn't kill you to be nice

Actually I'm quite content, and very tired right now. Maybe some other time. May I remind you we have a clan to dissemble

ah yes, we've got to work on that.

We do, but first, some tea!

And maybe biscuts. I do love biscuts.

Where is Multi when I need him...