there are colleges that only cost a few hundred bucks to go to. alas, living in a capitalist state comes with some disadvantages: obviously the government doesnt pay things out the wazzo, and roads have lower speed limits. But, the thing is that 40,000$ dollars for the average american family is a lot less than 40,000$ to a German family.

not to mention that (sadly enough) the people who have low income parents *in general* are not the types interested in college. its got to do with the "culture" of being poor.
anyway, if our colleges only costed a few thousand to go to *on average*, we wouldnt take the top 7 spots of the list of best colleges in the world.
that being said, education can always use a revamp.

sad.  

then again, high jump mats alone cost 8000$, so its not exactly like an extensive college can afford to be cheap.

EDIT: Hm... deja vous

sorry about skipping over your post ice, didnt mean to sound like I didnt care for the Croatian war...

WOW, you are a capatalist through and through. Its like saying that black people like joining gangs cause its part of thier 'culture'.

uh let me tell you something: any anthropologist would tell you thats true. although its not the fact that they're of one race or another, its that they are not usually the rich.

tell me you aren't such a blind idealist that you cling to such a pathetic view of the world as total and absolute equality? unfortunately people get shortchanged each and every day. bleedheart socialist.

note, I really love how people kindof just glossed over the fact that germany is banning a religion.

*Opens history book*

*Crosses out all events from 1933/1945*

*Puts in box, adds label and ships off to German schools*

There we are, now those students will feel better about themselves, and nobody is the wiser..

I hate historical revisionist/censors, they only enable evil regimes to rise again as their tyranny fades into obscurity, trying to imply that Wikipedia is sympathetic to Nazism is like saying George W. Bush is sympathetic to Human suffering, its just not true.

For some reason this reminds me of the episode of Family Guy when Brian is on the German tour bus and the tour guide is giving everyone information about Munich and he just skips by 1933-1945 and when Brian asks about it he freaks out, shouts some Nazi slogan, yells something about nothing happening, gives the Nazi salute and begins foaming at the mouth..

Scientology is not a church, it's a money-making scheme.

doesnt change that its something people believe in, and seeing as it violates no specific laws...

aaii.. people can believe in what they want to. I dont really give a rats ass.

but...

I now proclaim a new religion, come brothers, follow the teaching of Judas The Betrayer.

This "tax" was established at the beginning of this year, before that our FHs and UNIs were free. Everyone who thinks he could handle a study could give it a try.

There are several people/organisations who fight at courts against this.
And I hope they will win.


And the Nazi Problem:
Many people are afraid of that time and what happend.
They they are fearing that, if they dont do something, this will happen again.

But it seems that this all calms down...

"This isn't about restricting freedom of opinion, it's about examining what the limits are."

That quotation encapsualtes the stupidity of the whole episode and episodes like it.

'Its not about limiting freedom - its about finding out what the limits are...'

Silly. Mindscreamingly nonsensical. But then again, Germany has been that way for over half a century; they have allowed the Nazis to rob them of free expression, well beyond their existences.

Pathetic.

See, now you changed what you really said. What you said was that they don't want to go to college because they are poor, which is wrong. They don't go to college because in this country those who are already disadvantaged don't get any breaks, its those at the top who the government kisses ass for.

Half a century ... that would be 50 years...
I really dont know what you mean.

no it isnt, again your bleedheartedness is showing through. yes its not a law, (nothing is in sociology) but inherently being poor breeds different ideals than does being relatively rich.

I would wager that its the lesser half of the problem. if it was the bigger half of the problem, then there would never be the issue with "urban education".


he's saying its been over 50 years and the germans cannot stop trying to overregulate nazist ideals.

Its not from being poor, its from being under appreciated. From the time they are born they are taught to be, either through crappy education(oh thank god for this education system) or through the expectations of others, to no amount to anything. These are kids who know they have no opportunity, so they learn to not try, to not suceed, they learn to be what people expect them to. So you are wrong in saying that the fact that they don't have financial equality is the lesser of the two problems, because it leads to the bigger one.

In retrospect you wouldn't know, no doubt you either inadvertently or purposefully follow the teachings of the great Mankiw.

you dickwad, you just paraphrased what I've spent this entire time saying:
RICH AND POOR PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT CULTURES, these cultures produce

different

views and

ideals.

having poor people who think they will never make a difference does NOT lead to poor people not getting the money for their higher education, thats two completely different issues. not to mention the system of grants and need based funding has got that sector almost completely under control.

What?

No!

You rephrased again. First you said poor people don't WANT to go to college. Now you are saying that not only do they want to, that they are motivated enough to apply for grants.

What I said was that poor people are conditioned to think that they will never amount to anything so why should they bother going to college. This is BECAUSE of the lack of money. So one causes the other, or at least they are corellated very highly.

It all comes back to general mistreatement of the poor, and they are mistreated so because of people's misconceptions of their cause of condition. Misconceptions like yours.

No...

He said most of them, culturally, don't see the point of college, so they don't even try. But for those that do try, there is a support structure in place so they can afford it if they want to.

There is a cultural gap there, alas, and its widening. (And said gap has nothing to do with mistreatment: they just don't want college, if only because "my parents didn' need no high school degree, I ain't gettin' one neither!" or some similar irrationality)

I'm quite dissapointed at both of your shared narrow mindedness Ron.

Exactly. Technically, under the German legal code, a religion whose primary purpose is deemed by proper authorities to not be "enlightening the heathen masses" or some other senseless religious catchphrase but instead to be extracting money from the aforementioned heathen masses is not extended the full rights of a religion, since it is a money-making venture. Scientology was deemed to be created for profit, and was subsequently banned. I don't see much chance of anything other than a cult being banned under those rules. Too many constituents' votes at risk for that kind of maneuver against a big target.

Schod does have a point. There is a kind of anti-success culture among many poor people. They develop this because being poor they don't have the advantages of the rich or middle class and thus rising up to become rich or middle class is significantly harder. Poor people aren't stupider than middle class/rich people but they aren't smarter either. This means that since they face higher obstacles but aren't correspondingly better able to overcome these obstacles, fewer succeed in doing so. After many fail to rise up, they then spread the idea that to succeed you must "sell out." Thus a culture where success is seen as an immorally gained thing spreads thereby attributing a certain dignity to being poor. Higher obstacles to the poor do contribute, but they are almost inherent in any capitalist-like system. You can never destroy all barriers to success that the poor have that the rich don't unless you even out the incomes...which is communism. The best you can do is to try and offer as many opportunities as you can which might weaken the "sell out" culture.

The modern German population insists on allowing the 1926-1945 Nazis, long since passed from this life, the ability to deprive them of freedom of expression.

They insist on granting these dead villains this eternal power.

that would be, as opposed to your closeminded denial?
thanks ron and SoG.

Christianity started out as a "give to all, expect nothing back!" scheme, I dont see the difference. except the benefitiary

either way they have no right to deny people belief, whether or not the belief saps them.

yes, burning in hell if you dont isnt anything at all!

I'm not in denial.

I'm just saying that being poor does is not necessarily the reason for not going to college. I mean if poor people were encouraged to better themselves, instead of being bombarded by pesimistic mass media things would be a lot different for education.

you underestimate the strength of peers emp.

as if scientology doesnt have a similar punishment/reward system.