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GOP and White House Threaten to Block Energy Bill

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A bill that would provide significant movement to deal with making America more energy independent passed the House. The Senate Republicans threatened a Filibuster and the White House threatened a VETO of this bill. Below is a summary of the provisions of this important legislation:

Highlights of energy legislation in the House.
_ Car Mileage: Requires automakers to increase the fuel economy of cars and small trucks, including SUVs, by 40 percent to an industry average of 35 miles per gallon by 2020.
_ Renewable motor fuels: Requires a sevenfold increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, with two-thirds to be cellulose ethanol from such feedstock as prairie grass and wood chips. Has tax incentives for renewable fuels plants.
_ Taxes: Includes a $21 billion tax package, including a rollback of $13.5 billion in tax breaks for the five largest oil companies. The revenue is to be used for tax incentives to promote renewable fuels and energy efficiency.
_ Electricity: Requires electric utilities to produce 15 percent of their power from renewable energy such as wind, solar or biomass. Some of the mandate could be satisfied by utilities promoting efficiency or buying renewable energy credits.
_ Energy efficiency: Requires increased energy efficient appliances and improvements in energy efficiency of federal and commercial buildings. Also requires faster approval of federal energy efficiency standards.
_ Hybrid cars: Creates tax incentives to develop plug-in hybrid electric cars and establishes tax credits for buying the vehicles.

WHY is Congress not getting anything done? The GOP and President Bush! No matter what the majority in Congress attempt is either blocked by the GOP Senators or the White House. Time to get ride of the GOP in November 2008!
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Renewable motor fuels: Requires a sevenfold increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022,
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results increase in price of fuel. increase in price of food.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
This would redirect the money from going into the profits of oil companies to providing tax incentives to encourage renewable fuels and energy efficiency. THAT IS NOT A TAX INCREASE!
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this will result in a price increase for gas.


companies have to make a profit to pay employees, investers, and suppliers.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
Renewable motor fuels: Requires a sevenfold increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022,
results increase in price of fuel. increase in price of food.


It also calls for the use of grass which is what Bush Proposed. If the use of food caused a problem ALL WE NERED TO DO IS PLANT MORE ACRAGE. WE ARE USING 1/4 OF THE AVAILAVLE ACREAGE. THAT WOULD ALSO HELP THE FARMERS AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR FARM SUBSIDIES. In any event, it is not a reason to oppose the energy bill!
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
This would redirect the money from going into the profits of oil companies to providing tax incentives to encourage renewable fuels and energy efficiency. THAT IS NOT A TAX INCREASE!
this will result in a price increase for gas. companies have to make a profit to pay employees, investers, and suppliers.



If that happens we pass an excess profits tax and use that money to provide tax credits to low and middle income families that can not afford the current cost of energy! If the oil companies understand that they will not be able to keep higher profits from increasing retail prices, they will end that practice.
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
It also calls for the use of grass which is what Bush Proposed.
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Finally, something you & Bush agree on.
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
It also calls for the use of grass which is what Bush Proposed.
Finally, something you & Bush agree on.


I agree but what I do not understand why Bush and the GOP in the Senate oppose a bill that adopts most of the actions that have been suggested to help us become more energy independent! No bill is perfect but this bill contains a number of things that taken together should help solve the problem.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
If that happens we pass an excess profits tax and use that money to provide tax credits to low and middle income families that can not afford the current cost of energy! If the oil companies understand that they will not be able to keep higher profits from increasing retail prices, they will end that practice.
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making the price go up even higher. when will you stop making the middle and lower class pay your tax increases.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
If that happens we pass an excess profits tax and use that money to provide tax credits to low and middle income families that can not afford the current cost of energy! If the oil companies understand that they will not be able to keep higher profits from increasing retail prices, they will end that practice.
making the price go up even higher. when will you stop making the middle and lower class pay your tax increases.


As I said, if the OIL companies increase prices you pass en EXCESS PROFITS tax and they will learn they can not increase their retail prices except for increases in oil or their operating expenses. The shift in the tax credits from big oil to the consumer will be far more effective and the excess profits tax would be returned to the consumer in the form of energy credits.

Oil companies are price gouging the public today even though they got the big tax credits from Bush and the GOP.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
As I said, if the OIL companies increase prices you pass en EXCESS PROFITS tax and they will learn they can not increase their retail prices except for increases in oil or their operating expenses. The shift in the tax credits from big oil to the consumer will be far more effective and the excess profits tax would be returned to the consumer in the form of energy credits.

Oil companies are price gouging the public today even though they got the big tax credits from Bush and the GOP.
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and i said every time you raise taxes they will pass it on to the customer.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
and i said every time you raise taxes they will pass it on to the customer.


At least with an excess profits tax and taking away the Bush tax credits to them we can return the money to the public rather then have it go into the pockets of the top oil executrices and people who own the oil company stocks!
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
At least with an excess profits tax and taking away the Bush tax credits to them we can return the money to the public rather then have it go into the pockets of the top oil executrices and people who own the oil company stocks!
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the majority of stock holders in this country are middle class.


that is not to say that they own the most stocks. that is to say that more of them own stock than any other class.


so now you want to tax companies and turn around and give the stock owners back their money. minus a small handling charge of course. we have to pay all of the bureaucrats to do this.
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
doing this you end up with three classes. the super rich, the poor, and the government.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
At least with an excess profits tax and taking away the Bush tax credits to them we can return the money to the public rather then have it go into the pockets of the top oil executrices and people who own the oil company stocks!
the majority of stock holders in this country are middle class.


In numbers YES. However the wealthy own MOST of the Dollar value of securities. Since most of the stocks are owned by the upper income people it will not have an adverse impact on the middle class. In addition if we give the low and middle income families an energy Credit with the money we stop giving to Big Oil, the average familily will be far better off then to allow the oil companies to rack up huge profits and benefit from the Bush tax Credits! The issue is Bush and the GOP want the help to flow to the rich. What I am suggesting is we try and help the low and middle income Americans for a change!
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Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
At least with an excess profits tax and taking away the Bush tax credits to them we can return the money to the public rather then have it go into the pockets of the top oil executrices and people who own the oil company stocks!
the majority of stock holders in this country are middle class.that is not to say that they own the most stocks. that is to say that more of them own stock than any other class.so now you want to tax companies and turn around and give the stock owners back their money. minus a small handling charge of course. we have to pay all of the bureaucrats to do this.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful Reply | | DeleteReply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007doing this you end up with three classes. the super rich, the poor, and the government.


No you will end up with less at the low income, more in the middle and the rich will be a little less wealthy! With us being less dependent of foreign oil from the provisions of this Bill, we will in the long run be much better off-- Rich and poor alike!
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top

Please god people, stop trying to reason with this clueless inferior twit.  If you want to argue his so-called points, write a separate article and post your own rebuttals there, but don't feed him in his own back yard.  It just makes him happy to get responses where he can yell at you and call you stupid.

Make him take the fight elsewhere and leave his body of work to rot upon itself.  Anyone that is stupid enough to actually believe the crap he spews forth would be someone you'll never re-educate anyway.  Let him have his own little D.U. corner of J.U. and let it sit idle.

Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: terpfan1980Posted: Saturday, December 08, 2007Please god people, stop trying to reason with this clueless inferior twit. If you want to argue his so-called points, write a separate article and post your own rebuttals there, but don't feed him in his own back yard. It just makes him happy to get responses where he can yell at you and call you stupid.Make him take the fight elsewhere and leave his body of work to rot upon itself. Anyone that is stupid enough to actually believe the crap he spews forth would be someone you'll never re-educate anyway. Let him have his own little D.U. corner of J.U. and let it sit idle.


Yes you IDIOT spew some more of your BS. Let's follow Bush and the GOP into oblivion.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
No you will end up with less at the low income, more in the middle and the rich will be a little less wealthy! With us being less dependent of foreign oil from the provisions of this Bill, we will in the long run be much better off-- Rich and poor alike!
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tell that to the soviets, the Chinese, the north Koreans, the Cubans,


that is what marxist is all about taking all the money from the rich and giveing it to the poor. that is why the russians were standing in line for days for a loaf of bread.


that is why a supermarket in new york city brought the soviet union down.
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
Make him take the fight elsewhere and leave his body of work to rot upon itself. Anyone that is stupid enough to actually believe the crap he spews forth would be someone you'll never re-educate anyway. Let him have his own little D.U. corner of J.U. and let it sit idle.
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i am more worried about others actually starting to believe him
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
The solution is a combination of alternate energy and more efficient use of oil. That is what this bill does and the is NO VALID reason for the GOP to block it.
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Only a complete idiot would consider this a good bill.

It will take adding 50,000 windmills every year for 10 years to match the energy potential of oil.

It will 20 times that number for ground based solar cells.

In other words, this bill does NOTHING but stroke ignorant idiots like you.
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007It also calls for the use of grass which is what Bush Proposed.
Finally, something you & Bush agree on.


I agree but what I do not understand why Bush and the GOP in the Senate oppose a bill that adopts most of the actions that have been suggested to help us become more energy independent! No bill is perfect but this bill contains a number of things that taken together should help solve the problem.
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You are so dense. Have a doob, dude. You might recognize a joke that way.
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Saturday, December 08, 2007
No you will end up with less at the low income, more in the middle and the rich will be a little less wealthy! With us being less dependent of foreign oil from the provisions of this Bill, we will in the long run be much better off-- Rich and poor alike!
tell that to the soviets, the Chinese, the north Koreans, the Cubans, that is what marxist is all about taking all the money from the rich and giveing it to the poor. that is why the russians were standing in line for days for a loaf of bread. that is why a supermarket in new york city brought the soviet union down.


YOU do NOT know what you are talking about. You are a COMPLETE IDIOT. This energy Bill contains MOST of the elements that all the experts say are needed to move toward more energy independence. It increases domestically controlled supply as well as reduces demand from more efficiency. The path we are on is making us more dependent and the cost of gas has doubled during the past 7 years!
Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
that is why a supermarket in new york city brought the soviet union down.
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when Gorbachev visited the united nations in new york city, when he was president of the then Soviet union.

new york officials(i think) took him to a super market. when he asked them if it was a demonstration store, they said no and it was only one of hundreds in the city. this is when he was convinced that the soviet union had to stop being. 1 year or so later it did.
Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
This energy Bill contains MOST of the elements that all the experts say are needed to move toward more energy independence
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according to what you have posted your experts don't know what they are talking about.


europe has had to go to brazil to meet their green gas consumption.


bush has also gone to brazil looking to boost our ability to produce more green gas.
Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Sunday, December 09, 2007
This energy Bill contains MOST of the elements that all the experts say are needed to move toward more energy independence
according to what you have posted your experts don't know what they are talking about.europe has had to go to brazil to meet their green gas consumption.bush has also gone to brazil looking to boost our ability to produce more green gas.


Bush has done NOTHING during the past sever years to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. This Bill is full of measure that will move us forward and the GOP in Congress and Bush prevent it from doing anything!
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top
Man, and I though record players went out of style years ago yet here we are listening to a broken record. And on the Internet of all places. How is it that Col can repeat the same words on almost every post is something only Einstein can figure out.

Here's some free advise Col, repetition is not the key to success on JU. It's the key to proving you're a mental case.

The irony is that this is what Bush has to fear and no wonder the guy is out of control.