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America Went To War Chasing A Mirage

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America Went To War Chasing A Mirage

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I have just read Curveball by Bob Drogin. For anyone who still believes we were in danger from Saddam and were justified to invade Iraq, please read this book.

This book tells how the environment created by George W. Bush allowed one low level Iraqi engineer to weave a fairy tale that as David Kay told Bush, “The United States has gone to war to chase a mirage”.

This was the person that was the ONLY source of the most important justification Powell used to invade Iraq in his February 5, 2003 speech before the U.N. It was all a lie and even though the CIA was presented with the evidence that the story of the Mobile Bio Labs was not true, the attitude of two top leaders of the CIA concluded the decision to invade Iraq was made and no intelligence would take us from that course.

When you read how David Kay, who was one of the strongest proponents of the WMD in Iraq before the invasion, uncovers one of the most fantastic snow jobs in History you will be astounded. Top people at the CIA pushed this lie because of the fact that Bush and Cheney sought to show the world that Saddam had WMD in 2002. The facts that David Kay uncovered were presented to Bush, Cheney, Rice and Card in April 2004 at the White House. The truth was that after 1991, Saddam did not attempt to produce any Chemical, Biological or Nuclear weapons. The entire WMD was a fraud!

These revelations caused the resignation of George Tenet and John McLaughlin the two top people at the CIA. It ended the career of Tyler Drumhiller, a top CIA operative, who tried to get the truth about this unbelievable fraud to be acknowledged by Tenet and McLaughlin before Bush invaded Iraq. When General Powell was informed of the fact that the so called PROOF he used at the UN was an elaborate series of lies, he was furious. This revelation prompted him to later say his UN Presentation was the low point in his career. However the top CIA chiefs believed Bush had made up his mind and no facts or intelligence would alter his march into Baghdad. They did not acknowledge the lies until April 2004 after David Kay and his team uncovered the series of lies that caused America to follow a MIRAGE to war.
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Reply #76 from JoeUser Forums Top
look there were 537 people minus the 4 or 5 who voted no that declared war on Iraq. they had the same Intel that the president had. the British government declared war they had the same Intel. so if the Intel was faulty then it was the CIA not the president that lied.
Reply #77 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #78 from JoeUser Forums Top
In the case of every international conflict, there were individuals & institutions, both internal & external, opposed to the actions of certain governments & certain individuals and who voiced those objections beforehand.

There was substantial vocal and widely reported antiwar and isolationist sentiment in the US before & during much of WWII. You don't hear much about how "right" those folks & institutions were, do you?

Hindsight always being 20/20, any numbnuts can find material "warning" about anything & everything.

Speaking of hindsight, I think it is premature to say when foresight ends & hindsight begins with respect with the war on terror. With Gene, hindsight began November 7, 1999.
Reply #79 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Tuesday, November 13, 2007look there were 537 people minus the 4 or 5 who voted no that declared war on Iraq. they had the same Intel that the president had. the British government declared war they had the same Intel. so if the Intel was faulty then it was the CIA not the president that lied.


Bush was told by Tenet that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush was told by Tenet that the nuclear story including the Al Tubes and the Yellow cake was not true. Bush had a report from the Pentagon that said Saddam had no military capability to attack ANYONE outside the central section of Iraq. Bush knew we were not in danger and all that BS about the Mushroom clouds was just a scare tactic Bush and Cheney used to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution. He sent our troops to their death and injury for a danger that he knew did not exist and failed to deal with the people that caused the attack on 9/11 in Afghanistan! Now both wars are not settled!!!!!!
Reply #80 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Tuesday, November 13, 2007In the case of every international conflict, there were individuals & institutions, both internal & external, opposed to the actions of certain governments & certain individuals and who voiced those objections beforehand.There was substantial vocal and widely reported antiwar and isolationist sentiment in the US before & during much of WWII. You don't hear much about how "right" those folks & institutions were, do you?Hindsight always being 20/20, any numbnuts can find material "warning" about anything & everything.


Bush was WARNED BEFORE he invaded Iraq as to the likely outcome and IGNORED that advice which has been proven 100% correct. That is not HINDSIGHT!
Reply #81 from JoeUser Forums Top
I would have preferred the one the people voted for not the one appointed by the Supreme Cronies.


Why is it that you believe that we should ignore our laws in order to put your guy in office? I remember Mr. Gore saying that he would win the electoral votes but not the popular vote and warning the public that the law was the law and the popular vote was not the law. When the opposite happens then all of a sudden the popular vote needs to count and throw out the established laws and rules for elections. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
Reply #82 from JoeUser Forums Top
all that BS about the Mushroom clouds was just a scare tactic Bush and Cheney used to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution.




yes we know hillary was to stupid to read the info that was presented to her.
Reply #83 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007all that BS about the Mushroom clouds was just a scare tactic Bush and Cheney used to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution. yes we know hillary was to stupid to read the info that was presented to her.


It was not Hillary that said we were in danger from Mushroom Clouds-- That was Bush and Cheney!!!!!
Reply #84 from JoeUser Forums Top
It was not Hillary that said we were in danger from Mushroom Clouds-- That was Bush and Cheney!!!!!


hillary did vote for the war.
Reply #85 from JoeUser Forums Top
As a former chief weapons inspector for the U.N. has said, "The fundamental problem with Iraq remains the nature of the regime itself: Saddam Hussein is a homicidal dictator who is addicted to weapons of mass destruction."

In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and is capable of killing millions.

We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq.

The inspectors discovered that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a workable nuclear weapon, and was pursuing several different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb.

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now then no where in that speech did i see him say mushroom cloud. it is in the title but titles are provided by the news company not by the person being reported on.
Reply #86 from JoeUser Forums Top
gene even if everything you say is right(which it isn't). you would still be wrong because you will not put everyone involved under the same microscope.
Reply #87 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007gene even if everything you say is right(which it isn't). you would still be wrong because you will not put everyone involved under the same microscope.


What I have said is correct and it was Bush who took this country to war --NO ONE ELSE!
Reply #88 from JoeUser Forums Top
What I have said is correct and it was Bush who took this country to war



so bush ordered our troops to invade iraq and congress just sat on their hands. that is even worse than not reading the intel before voting to go to war.
Reply #89 from JoeUser Forums Top
time to back paddle and start a new bush attack thread mr gene
Reply #90 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply | Edit | DeleteReply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007What I have said is correct and it was Bush who took this country to war so bush ordered our troops to invade iraq and congress just sat on their hands. that is even worse than not reading the intel before voting to go to war.


Congress did not propose to invade Iraq. It was Bush and his BS about Mushroom Clouds and that Saddam was a danger to our country that enabled Bush to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution that DID NOT require Bush to invade Iraq. It ALLOWED it as a LAST RESORT. If Bush had not sought the War Resolution predicated on the BS that Saddam was a danger there would not have been a war!
Reply #91 from JoeUser Forums Top
Congress did not propose to invade Iraq. It was Bush and his BS about Mushroom Clouds and that Saddam was a danger to our country that enabled Bush to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution that DID NOT require Bush to invade Iraq. It ALLOWED it as a LAST RESORT. If Bush had not sought the War Resolution predicated on the BS that Saddam was a danger there would not have been a war!




ever time you speak you make the congress sound less and less able to do anything.
Reply #92 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007Congress did not propose to invade Iraq. It was Bush and his BS about Mushroom Clouds and that Saddam was a danger to our country that enabled Bush to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution that DID NOT require Bush to invade Iraq. It ALLOWED it as a LAST RESORT. If Bush had not sought the War Resolution predicated on the BS that Saddam was a danger there would not have been a war! ever time you speak you make the congress sound less and less able to do anything.


What I stated is the truth. Show us where Congress Declared War against Iraq or Directed the President to invade Iraq!
Reply #93 from JoeUser Forums Top
Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion
Senate House Quasi-War France 1798 J. Adams Convention of 1800 (Treaty of Mortefontaine)
First Barbary War Barbary States 1801 Jefferson
Second Barbary War Barbary States 1815 Madison
Raid of slave traffic Africa 1820
Redress for attack on U.S. Navy vessel Paraguay 1859 Buchanan
Intervention during the Russian Civil War Bolshevist Russia 1918 Wilson
Protection of Lebanon Rebels 1958 Eisenhower
Vietnam War National Liberation Front, later Democratic Republic of Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, August 7, 1964 88-2 416-0 Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon Peace agreement signed in Paris, January 1973
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia and Druze miltias; Syria September 29, 1983 54-46 253-156 Reagan Force withdrew in 1984
Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause Panama Defense Force December 20, 1989 George H.W. Bush Manuel Noriega deposed
Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm Iraq January 12, 1991 52-47 250-183 The United Nations Security Council drew up terms for the cease-fire, April 3, 1991
2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom Taliban government of Afghanistan and al-Qaida S.J. Res. 23
September 14, 2001 98-0 420-1 George W. Bush Ongoing
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing

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Reply #94 from JoeUser Forums Top
next time give me something hard to do
Reply #95 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007next time give me something hard to do


You have not shown where Congress directed the INVASION of Iraq. They gave Bush the OPTION to invade Iraq. Congress failed to meet the Constitutional REQUIREMENT to formally declare war before the President has the authority to actually wage war! I would like a case brought to have the Iraq War declared unconstitutional BECAUSE Congress never declared war against Iraq as REQUIRED by the Constitution!!!!!!! NO place does the Constitution give Congress the ability to allow the President to make that choice!
Reply #96 from JoeUser Forums Top
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing

Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion
Reply #97 from JoeUser Forums Top
gee maybe you should actually read something.


korea wasn't a declared war either. a lot more people died there.
Reply #98 from JoeUser Forums Top
oh and that war is still on going.
Reply #99 from JoeUser Forums Top
what you have basically said in the last couple of posts is that congress declared war on Iraq but told bush not to attack them. man like i said the more i read what you write them more stupid the congress sounds. which then begs the question why should we trust any of those people with the presidency.
Reply #100 from JoeUser Forums Top
Indeed, I believe the official name is the Korean Conflict, although it is/was commonly known as the Korean War.

While your willingness to point out the numerous precedents for such military engagements to Gene is admirable, it is likely to affect Gene's thinking (I use the term advisedly) not a whit.

The Consititution doesn't give the Congress authority to impose an income tax, either, but last I checked we have one. So Gene's repeated blabbering about raising taxes is technically advocating unconstitutional action. Gene wraps his arguments in the Constitution only when it suits him.

In this one sense, Gene & I agree: powers & authority not specifically granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution should be matters of state discretion. What should be and what is are too infrequently the same, I'm afraid.