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America Went To War Chasing A Mirage

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America Went To War Chasing A Mirage

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I have just read Curveball by Bob Drogin. For anyone who still believes we were in danger from Saddam and were justified to invade Iraq, please read this book.

This book tells how the environment created by George W. Bush allowed one low level Iraqi engineer to weave a fairy tale that as David Kay told Bush, “The United States has gone to war to chase a mirage”.

This was the person that was the ONLY source of the most important justification Powell used to invade Iraq in his February 5, 2003 speech before the U.N. It was all a lie and even though the CIA was presented with the evidence that the story of the Mobile Bio Labs was not true, the attitude of two top leaders of the CIA concluded the decision to invade Iraq was made and no intelligence would take us from that course.

When you read how David Kay, who was one of the strongest proponents of the WMD in Iraq before the invasion, uncovers one of the most fantastic snow jobs in History you will be astounded. Top people at the CIA pushed this lie because of the fact that Bush and Cheney sought to show the world that Saddam had WMD in 2002. The facts that David Kay uncovered were presented to Bush, Cheney, Rice and Card in April 2004 at the White House. The truth was that after 1991, Saddam did not attempt to produce any Chemical, Biological or Nuclear weapons. The entire WMD was a fraud!

These revelations caused the resignation of George Tenet and John McLaughlin the two top people at the CIA. It ended the career of Tyler Drumhiller, a top CIA operative, who tried to get the truth about this unbelievable fraud to be acknowledged by Tenet and McLaughlin before Bush invaded Iraq. When General Powell was informed of the fact that the so called PROOF he used at the UN was an elaborate series of lies, he was furious. This revelation prompted him to later say his UN Presentation was the low point in his career. However the top CIA chiefs believed Bush had made up his mind and no facts or intelligence would alter his march into Baghdad. They did not acknowledge the lies until April 2004 after David Kay and his team uncovered the series of lies that caused America to follow a MIRAGE to war.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007Given the consequences of the choices made by Bush, I have not taken anything TOO far! you have taken everything to far.you blamed bush for a bridge collapsing. bush has nothing to do with infrastructure. congress does. the government knew that this bridge had problems for almost 20 years and you blame bush for it. you blamed bush for the deaths of people in new Orleans because he didn't order them out of the city. but the problem is he did. it was the democrat leaders of the state and the city that didn't get those people out. they had 10,000 buses available. Amtrak afford to pull trains down there to get people out. it was the city major who took his poorest people and stuck them in a football stadium with the city prisoners and no police protection.yet you follow your democrat rulers and blame bush for the whole thing.



These are the major things I blame Bush for:

The Iraq war and how it was fought
The deficit
The increase in the Trade Deficit
Lack of a solution for Social Security
3 Million Illegal’s that came into our country since 9/11
Increased financial problems of Medicare due to the Drug Plan that was did not funded.
Shift in the wealth from MIDDLE income AMERICANS TO THE WEALTHY
Lack of attention to the infrastructure repairs
Lack of an effective Energy Policy
Increase in the political polarization of our country
Isolation of America from most countries in the world

Bush and his policies are responsible for every one of the above!
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
The real problem is how you blame no one else but Bush for everything that happens in this country and completely dismiss those who are really at fault or are patially at fault


Ooh, now he is not the CIC? HE IS whether we like it or not. He put everyone of these morons in the place where they screwed up. He picked a man to look for a VP, and guess what? the man couldnt find anyone among the 300 million Americans but HIMSELF. And the sucker swallowed it. That started the ball rolling downhill. He, the Idiot-in-Chief, ignored every CIA report that was against what he and the other morons with him wanted to do. from day one. Read O'neils' book. They started talking about attacking Iraq in Jan 2001. in his first month in office. The IIC said "the guy (i.e. Saddam) tried to kill my Dad", remember? For God's sake, send a man with a gun to kill him not send the US Armada across the world to do it. How idiotic is that?

And he, and he alone, is not to be blamed?

Well, that is how we got this idiot,twice no less, in the first place.

Good job. Keep it up. There are more foolish adventures to do.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
And he, and he alone, is not to be blamed?

Well, that is how we got this idiot,twice no less, in the first place.

Good job. Keep it up. There are more foolish adventures to do.



which other idiot would you have preferred. the one that is so disillusioned that he thinks that he invented the INTERNET, or when he breaks the law, he doesn't think he broke the law because he only collected 9 dollars.


or the man who waffles on everything including what tie to wear today.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007And he, and he alone, is not to be blamed?Well, that is how we got this idiot,twice no less, in the first place.Good job. Keep it up. There are more foolish adventures to do. which other idiot would you have preferred. the one that is so disillusioned that he thinks that he invented the INTERNET, or when he breaks the law, he doesn't think he broke the law because he only collected 9 dollars.or the man who waffles on everything including what tie to wear today.


No one knows how Gore or Kerry would have been as President. What we do know is that Bush has screwed up everything he has touched! I bet we would not be at war in Iraq if Gore had been President as the majority of voters wanted in 2000. That means over 3,800 American military would be alive and we would not have the 28,000 injured nor the $4 trillion dollars of added debt. We may even have done the job in Afghanistan had Gore been President!
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gene went to JoeUser, chasing a Mirage. ;~D
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007Gene went to JoeUser, chasing a Mirage. ;~D


I see you do not care that Bush is responsible for the death of 3,800 American Troops and injury another 28,000. You have some concern for our military! I guess those deaths and injuries are a MIRAGE too! BETTER QUICKLY TELL ALL THE PARANTS AND SPOUSES.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ooh, you hurt me to my heart Gene!

You claim to care, but you don't give a crap about the troops who die, unless they die in Iraq, then you only care enough to politicize their deaths.

Do you give a flying fig that more troops died during the Clinton administration than during Bush's? Do you care at all that the VA hospitals cause more deaths of vets than die in Iraq?

Gene, I've been reading your filth for a while now, and the only conclusion I've come to from your words is you hate Bush. You don't care about anyone or anything except your loathing for one person.

You are no different than any other mindless hatemonger. You would lie, steal or laugh in the face of a dying child, as long as you can find a way to blame Bush.

It is truly sad Gene. You have accomplished a lot in your life, and you are articulate enough that you should be able to hold a legitimate conversation. However, you have chosen to take you life's experiences and gifts and flush them down the toilet for a mass of myopic idiocy.

You are truly a pathetic excuse for a Retired Offices, Veteran, Educator and Person... and you can't blame Bush for any of that.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
AL gore would have destroyed the economy to save the planet from global warming, a natural process of the planet.


kerry would have done none thing because that is what he does is nothing.


the only thing i would have done different than bush is i would have fought the war in Iraq to win not to contain.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply | Edit | DeleteReply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007Ooh, you hurt me to my heart Gene!You claim to care, but you don't give a crap about the troops who die, unless they die in Iraq, then you only care enough to politicize their deaths.


You ARE A LIER. It is people like you and Bush that do not care about our military. It makes me sick every time I see Bush making believe he is concerned about our brave military. If he were so concerned he would not have invaded Iraq and when he made the choice to invade Iraq he would have sent the troops NEEDED to prevent the sectarian violence and foreign Terrorists from taking hold in Iraq. The reason we have lost so many troops and suffered so many injures is because Bush did not listen to his military generals as to how many troops were needed and every senior General has said that is the case. Even John McCain has said this and no excuse can change the fact that Bush is responsible for the death and injury of our troops.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gene, I've been reading your filth for a while now, and the only conclusion I've come to from your words is you hate Bush. You don't care about anyone or anything except your loathing for one person.


I hate what Bush has done to our country and anyone that defends him and his actions is despicable!!!!
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
You are truly a pathetic excuse for a Retired Offices, Veteran, Educator and Person... and you can't blame Bush for any of that.



You are a PATHETIC excuse for an American!!!!!
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007AL gore would have destroyed the economy to save the planet from global warming, a natural process of the planet.


Bush has destroyed our country by fighting an unneeded war and by giving his rich supporters tax cuts that will cause our children to be paying for his farce for decades to come!
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
the only thing i would have done different than bush is i would have fought the war in Iraq to win not to contain.


This proves you like Bush do not know what you are doing. Anyone knowing what we know today that could say they would have invaded Iraq is a war mongering FOOL!
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top

They shot at our jets as we flew over Iraq. What do you think we would have done if Saddam had flown over the U.S.? That is NOT an attack on our country and they had no military capable of attacking anyone. As David Kay correctly said we went to war chasing a mirage.


YOU'RE the idiot! At NO time did our jets fly over Iraqi air space until after the war started! I see you're "still" spouting the same tired old BS!
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since our country is not destroyed, Bush didn't destroy it.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bush has destroyed our country by fighting an unneeded war and by giving his rich supporters tax cuts that will cause our children to be paying for his farce for decades to come!



what part of our country has bush destroyed. as for children paying for decades the democrats would have done worse. as per the candidates for president are promising right now. going to raise taxes on the rich and spend it all. then we will have to raise taxes on the rich again and spend it all. and then we will have to raise taxes on everybody and spend it all.


hillary--universal medicine, 1000 dollar gift for being born. 5000 dollar gift to go to college.


edwards--everybody get a house on the government.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007They shot at our jets as we flew over Iraq. What do you think we would have done if Saddam had flown over the U.S.? That is NOT an attack on our country and they had no military capable of attacking anyone. As David Kay correctly said we went to war chasing a mirage. YOU'RE the idiot! At NO time did our jets fly over Iraqi air space until after the war started! I see you're "still" spouting the same tired old BS!



How do you think we enforced the No Fly Zone in Iraq? That was before our invasion!

Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Monday, November 12, 2007Since our country is not destroyed, Bush didn't destroy it.



What do you call adding $4 Trillion to the debt? What do you call 3 Million Illegal’s crossing our border. What do you call the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs? What do you call the 3,800 Dead American Troops and the 28,000 Injured Troops in a war that should never have been fought! What do you call a doubling of gas prices and the fact we are MORE dependent on Foreign Oil then when Bush and Cheney took over? What do you call what Bush has done to Medicare by adding $60 Billion per year with NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT?
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
What do you call adding $4 Trillion to the debt?


the country hasn't been destroyed because of it


What do you call 3 Million Illegal’s crossing our border.



the last i heard there were 15 million illegals in the country. so if bush only stood at the border and invited 3 million. who invited the other 11 million. yes i know now you will say bush did it all.

Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top


Democratic Promises Carry High Price Tag

Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:39 PM

By: Rod Proctor Article Font Size




Talk may be cheap, but the cost to keep promises made by Democratic candidates could top $700 billion and push individual tax rates above 50 percent for the first time since the 1986 Reagan tax reform, fiscal experts warn.


In fact, a Democratic sweep in 2008 could push America’s tax burden up to 7th highest in the developed world, up from 21st place, according to researchers at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.


“If Democrats control everything after 2008, there will be a substantial tax increase,” Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia tells Newsmax. “Most or all of the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire and tax rates may be increased besides.”


The largest hike in federal spending would come from Democrats’ plans to extend health coverage to 47 million uninsured U.S. residents.


Hillary Clinton’s plan, according to her campaign, would add about $110 billion a year to the federal budget.


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Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
How do you think we enforced the No Fly Zone in Iraq? That was before our invasion!


Do you even "know" where the no fly zones were? Or even why they were placed there? Here's a quote for ya.

In the aftermath of Operation Desert Fox during December 1998, Iraq announced it would no longer respect the no-fly zones and resumed its efforts in shooting down Allied aircraft. Saddam Hussein offered a $14,000 reward to anyone who could accomplish this task, but no manned aircraft were ever shot down by Iraq. Air strikes by the British and Americans against Iraqi claimed anti-aircraft and military targets continued weekly over the next few years.


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Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well Gene, if you think our country is destroyed, why don't you just fly to Cuba and enjoy the kind of nation you want the US to become. You would look good in one of Castros tires.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
America Went To War Chasing A Mirage



no america went to war in iraq to remove a dictator.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
which other idiot would you have preferred.


I would have preferred the one the people voted for not the one appointed by the Supreme Cronies. And, i would have blamed him (or thanked him) for what he did, good or bad. not make excuses for him. That is why the people voted for him, to take charge and RESPONSIBILITY. Do you guys understand that? But you are right, though. The people didn't vote for this idiot and accordingly they have no right to blame him. He has to answer only to the Supreme Cronies. and to whom these are accountable? no one ....

now you know why we, the american people, are STUPID?

after 7 years of utter failures EVERYWHERE, still there are people who make excuses for him. What is it with you guys? does he have something on you?

The economy of "ownership" that he and you touted and was built on hype and smoking mirrors is now coming tumbling down to uncover the ugly face of cronyism, corruption and plain old theft of that same "ownership" ..... and you still make excuses for him?

wake up people, wake up .... you are taking the rest of us down with you. your votes for the charming idiots are the chains that are pulling us down with you.
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
I would have preferred the one the people voted for not the one appointed by the Supreme Cronies.


i am sorry but bush is the one that was elected. not gore. what ever else you said has no bearing and is probable a lie.
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
As for the papal nuncio - what is your point? That Catholic bureaucrats oppose war? Or that Catholic bureaucrats prosecute wars better than sovereign nations and therefore have more expertise? You can't argue the former - Popes have prosecuted some of the most savage wars in human history. And you can't argue the latter, since they've often lost.

The interests of the Vatican don't necessarily dovetail with the interests of the United States, a secular nation. No disrespect to practicing Catholics, but the Vatican doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to "consulting" in international relations.