To the "Silent Majority"

Put your money where your mouth is or pay the piper!

from JoeUser Forums

     I frequently find myself being told either by individuals in conversation or informed by the media that most violent acts or unpleasant things in life are the action of the "vocal minority" or "extremist groups" who do not represent the "silent majority". This tired old saw is trotted out for everything from the reasons why the Democratic party is being hijacked by the left, the excuse for Islamic terror groups, to why Americans are fat bastards. Frankly I am tired of it. I will allow it has *some* uses within your own social groups. For instance when democrats talk amongst themselves about their party then by all means use the argument as an incentive to incite action. When you are talking to non-party members and use it as an explanation of why some recent statement was made or whathaveyou it loses it's impact. Police up your own chosen social group or get lumped in with them.

     Recently Muggaz wrote an article depicting a possible future terror attack by U.S. based extremist groups. In the comments another analogy was drawn using the KKK as an example group. This perfectly illustrates my point. The reason that I don't buy into the agument is that the US doesn't *let* it's extremist groups run rampant on others nations soil! We keep the KKK here and well under wraps. They do not bomb Africa or target "jew-lovers" globally. As soon as white folks got tired of being associated with these psychopaths we as a society crushed them out to avoid the possible repercussions of allowing them to continue unabated. Enlightened self-interest. We as a society decided long ago that we keep our problems solved within our own borders. Our Christian fundamentalists are not out there flying passenger jets into Muslim owned skyscapers. None of these things happen. Yet the Muslim world seems to think that they get a pass by having someone giving a CNN interview condeming each recent terror act. Lip service is easy, actual action is difficult.

     You folks get no more passes from me. If you are *truly* the "silent opposition" and not the "non-active supporters" or teror hows about actually moving your dead asses and stopping your own fucking neighbors? Take an example from Abu Ghraib, when that miserable bunch of fucking retards were exposed as shit-floaters in the US gene pool, we stepped on them! There were no parades on the "American Street" like we see from your side of the house. When we find a nest of domestic vipers in our national house they get squashed and fast. We don't wait for you to deal with our problems, so why would you think our patience with you would be infinite?

     If someone who lives in your apartemnt as your roommate is pissing off your neighbors it will become incumbent upon *you* the person nearest them to reign them in. If you don't, guess what? Eventually you will pay the price right alongside them. This is the lesson we learned long ago. As an older civilization it is amazing to me that the Arab world has not learned this. Or perhaps they know it quite well and simply have no desire to flush out the vipers from their ranks? Something to think about. *Before* you get the eviction notice that your buddy earned you.

     note: these were just easy targets for the venting of spleeange. the argument easily applies to right wing or any other brand of "extremists" who are tolerated or tacitly encouraged by the "silent majority".

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
If an Arab empire invaded our country, meddled in our affairs, exploited our resources, played our citizens against one another, used our leaders as puppets, and remained on intimate and friendly terms with our worst enemy, I think there might be some citizen initatives against them. Just or unjust, that's how it is, and its foolish to suggest that the U.S. and the Middle East have or have had a similar abundance of dissenters and terrorists, but that the U.S. has dealt with its own. If the U.S. population was largely sympathetic to extremists and dissidents, and if such groups were as abundant and powerful as they are in the middle east, the government would have a hard time containing them. Besides, governments in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia aren't exactly the most popular and secure. Al Quaida, on the other hand, is more popular than ever, if not as well financed and networked. When unpopular governments take drastic and visible measures to defeat popular militias, they risk civil war, and, in the worst cases, falling out of power.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
As always I can count on you Saint terroist acts become "civlian initiatives"... I couldn't have hoped for a more leftist response:)
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Greywar

There is a big difference between supporting terrorism and understanding why it happens. Do you really think left wingers applaud what AL-Quada does?

We all wish we didn't have to deal with terrorism, and The USA does an excellent job in keeping its various nut job groups under wraps, however, you can never say never, and especially in todays environment, when a lot of resources are being used to eradicate terrorism over seas, you cant discount an extremist right wing orgnaisation doing something stupid, because it is conceptual that something could slip through the cracks.

The US national security department does a relatively good job - but they can't watch everyone all the time!

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Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not all left wingers support terrorism muggaz, but some certainly do. Just take a gander at the Democratic Underground after any terrorist kills a westerner. The leftism I was referring to with the extremely estimable Ying was his transforation of "terrorism" into "civilian initiative"...classic.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
As always I can count on you Saint terroist acts become "civlian initiatives"... I couldn't have hoped for a more leftist response:)


Well if its not a government or military initiative, it has to be a civilian initiative. With this I refer to all legal and extra-legal forms of organized dissent, which may or may not amount to terrorism, including assassination, radical enchantistic zionization, organized and malicious defiance of municipal sound ordinances, those less obnoxious forms of genocide that go right under the radar and allow us to smile about their nonexistence, and the actual invasion of foreign militias to capture cities and convert sinners. You see, there are subtleties and shades of gray, word choices to convey different emphases and different tones. That's the joy of being a leftist intellectual, it's just that people get confused all too easily and are too often unwilling to look at rationales. So lets just say that I love America and hate America. Flip-flop. We can all understand that.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
radical enchantistic zionization
lol man you are *on* today! Glad I couldn't sleep!
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
As soon as white folks got tired of being associated with these psychopaths we as a society crushed them out to avoid the possible repercussions of allowing them to continue unabated.

which whitefolks did that? after nearly 100 years of nightriding, crossburning and ruthless intimidation (including public murder and selling souvenir parts of their victims' corpses) of american citizens who exhibited uppittyness by daring to try to learn how to read, offending god and the flower of white womanhood by saving their money to buy property and attempting to mongrelize the white race by exercising their right to vote, the kkk was alive and doing fine..even fielding a nationally known member of their conspiracy for high public office in lousiana.

the reason the klan is not as obvious player in todays america is due in the largest part to a small group of actiist liberal leftist leftwing anti-american pinko underground pointyheaded intellectuals headed by a jew who took their dumb good-ol-boy proud-to-be-an-okie-from-muskogee if-you-dont-love-it-leave-it white supremacist asses to court where they did something no attorney general in any southern state nor representing the people of the united states had attempted and cleaned their financial clock

once local chapters...i mean klavens..of the kkk had to pay damages to victims and put their lil ol money where their hatefilled mouths were, the organization withered and left the field to regroup. but white america as a group had very little to do with that.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
is it too late to have leftists narrow the concept of 'civilian initiative' to exclude such terrorist actions as the burning of loyalist homes and destruction of the crown's property during a mob action in which members of extremist underground cells disguised as insurgent native americans polluted an entire colonial harbor by dumping a shit pot of monarchist-imposed unprocessed alkaloid-containing herbs into boston harbor to prevent the vast majority of moderates from paying a single cent of unrepresented taxation?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hey there Estrogen Lass! I know we can count on you not to be a silent anything. Tell us how you really feel.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
To take your name off?  You mean delete your account and your blog? 
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

If country X doesn't like US policy, they have plenty of avenues to voice their displeasure.  If someone in Saudi Arabia doesn't like what the US is doing in Saudi Arabia (for instance) they should complain to their government.

I don't see how you can "understand" the reasoning behind flying airplanes into buildings with the intent to murder as many innocent civilians as possible. There is such a huge distance between the cause and effect that it becomes just arbitrary violence. The fact that there's debate over WHY Al Qaeda is doing what they've done says it all.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
The fact that there's debate over WHY Al Qaeda is doing what they've done says it all


What exaclty does it say to you Brad? The fact that there is a debate as to why Al-Qaeda have done this, merely consolidates the fact that there is a deeper issue.

If it were as simple as a bunch of crack-pot terrorist killing indiscriminately, I think you and people who share your beleifs would have a lot more support from the International community.

Unfortunately for all concerned, it isn't that simple...

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Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't see how you can "understand" the reasoning behind flying airplanes into buildings with the intent to murder as many innocent civilians as possible.


Well I'll tell you one thing, it's not because they 'hate freedom'. And it's not rational at all. But any phenomenon on earth can and should be understood with the best of our ability. Just because your mind doesn't allow you the luxury and benefit of understanding doesn't mean you should lash out at those that want to know. When you add everything together and look at all the factors, the biggest of which is fundamentalist Islam, it definately does not appear as random or arbitrary violence. Your last sentance is absolutely dumbfounding. If I was a conservative totalitarian I would say that you need to be destroyed for such dangerous thinking, but since I am a benevolent leftist totalitarian, I reccomend a friendly, happy, kindly course of Stalinist reeducation in a happy happy village of friendly happy Siberians.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
but since I am a benevolent leftist totalitarian, I reccomend a friendly, happy, kindly course of Stalinist reeducation in a happy happy village of friendly happy Siberians

awwwww comrade man...i hate cold weather. cant i get a transfer to guantanamo?
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

which whitefolks did that?

     If mainstream american supported the KKK tacitly in the same way the Arab street supports terrorism I would have to only say President David Duke. That is my point. Where is Duke now BTW? Oh yeah, jail. While the left certainly didn't nail the coffin shut on the KKK that simply would not have been possible if the rest of country had been backing them. Thats my point.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
its foolish to suggest that the U.S. and the Middle East have or have had a similar abundance of dissenters and terrorists, but that the U.S. has dealt with its own


There are plenty of dissenters in the U.S. The difference is that neither the government nor the people support or tolerate violent "citizen initiatives".

If the U.S. population was largely sympathetic to extremists and dissidents, and if such groups were as abundant and powerful as they are in the middle east, the government would have a hard time containing them.


I thnk that is the point of greywar's article. If people don't want to be represented by a radical minority, they need to oppose that radical minority.

If it were as simple as a bunch of crack-pot terrorist killing indiscriminately, I think you and people who share your beleifs would have a lot more support from the International community.


There is a great deal of support in the international community to fight terrorism. Almost every country in the world supports the US's initiative to fight terrorism in some way.

Well I'll tell you one thing, it's not because they 'hate freedom'. And it's not rational at all. But any phenomenon on earth can and should be understood with the best of our ability.


A more specific way to phrase what Brad said would be, "It's absurd to cite government policy as a motive for indiscriminate murder."
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
which whitefolks did that?

If mainstream american supported the KKK tacitly in the same way the Arab street supports terrorism I would have to only say President David Duke. That is my point. Where is Duke now BTW? Oh yeah, jail. While the left certainly didn't nail the coffin shut on the KKK that simply would not have been possible if the rest of country had been backing them. Thats my point.


Greywar, You can't compare the KKK today with terror in the Middle East...it just doesn't work. Compare racial hatred and actions 100 years ago with what goes on in the Middle East today and maybe you've got a case. But for the comment on "President David Duke": no, he's long gone singing about his "Friend's with White Faces," but that didn't stop the elections of the late Strom Thurmond who was proud of having the longest fillabuster in history. What did he fillabuster? The Civil Rights Act. Also, Trent Lott was Senate Majority Leader and had some questionable race ethics. So while we may be more civilized today than the Middle East, or even than the US 100 years ago, we are not a perfect society.

Sorry, that was all a bit tangential.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
There are plenty of dissenters in the U.S. The difference is that neither the government nor the people support or tolerate violent "citizen initiatives".


The difference is that the US allows for the dissenters to enter the political realm freely.

"It's absurd to cite government policy as a motive for indiscriminate murder."


Terrorism is politically motivated, thus by definition the policy of some government is infact the *motivation* for the terrorist acts. Otherwise, it would simply be called mass murder. Whether *fighting* for freedom, self determination, human rights, or whatever it is that THEY perceive the injustice to be--terrorism is undeniablly politically motivated. Does that make it right? or moral? Absolutely not. And let me just interrupt everyone who disagrees with this right now...do not, I repeat, do NOT give me the line about being a terrorist sympathizer. It's a bullshit way to end an argument when you don't agree with what is being said. In order to fight terrorism, we must understand it. Understanding and condoning are not the same thing. You must know your enemy to defeat your enemy.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
In order to fight terrorism, we must understand it. Understanding and condoning are not the same thing. You must know your enemy to defeat your enemy.


I take a small exception to this.

Although, we need to know and understand the terrorists methodology to combat them, understanding their motivations is not required.
Now, understanding their motivations can be useful in correcting or changing the root causes of the behaviour, but is a secondary consideration when bombs are being blown up, planes are being flown into buildings, etc.

The prime consideration is stopping the terrorism, thus stopping the killing of innocent people. This can most effectively and quickly be done by examining methodology, not motivation.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

Good to know that terrorists have such an advocate in Saint Ying.

Al Qaeda and the KKK have a lot in common in my view. I don't reallly care to "understand" where the KKK is coming from. The difference though is that the KKK doesn't have popular support in the United States amongst the civilian population and the government doesn't turn a blind eye to them.

 

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Terrorism is politically motivated, thus by definition the policy of some government is infact the *motivation* for the terrorist acts.


The point is that to make a connection between flying planes into the WTC and US foreign policy, you have to go outside the bounds of what is "reasonable".
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

Although, we need to know and understand the terrorists methodology to combat them, understanding their motivations is not required.


I take enormous exception to this.

On the morning of Sept. 11 2001 I did not know who Osama Bin Laden was. I was vaguely familiar with Al-Quaeda, but to be honest there seems to be too many terrorists groups in the middle east; they all blur into one another after a while. After work on Sept. 11 I went home and googled. I needed to know why this happened and who the Osama guy was. It turns out he had issued a 'fatwa' against America; the reasons stated were: 1) American support of the State of Israel in the Palestinian conflict; 2) American military bases on Saudi Arabian soil; 3) 500,000 lives lost during the Iraqi embargo. Thanks to the invasion of Iraq, you can add a fourth reason why there are 18,000 Al-Quaeda members today who would love nothing more than to burn America to the ground, and that shoe has yet to drop.

I distinctly remember seeing Netenyahu on TV that day saying "The real reason for this attack is they hate our freedom" Hmmmm. I also remember Dan Rather telling the tens of millions of viewers that "The real reason they attacked us is we're winners and they're losers". Hmmmm. Since then, President Bush has stated numerous times that the attack occurred because "They hate our freedom" Hmmmmm.

I doubt that 1 in 50 Americans could give a coherent, logical reply if you asked them why 9/11 occurred. And I don't blame them, when their President and their media feed them this baloney. 9/11 didn't occur because these guys are a bunch of crazy A-rabs. I've seen polls indicating that over 50% of Americans believe Iraq was behind it, which is of course both sad and bogus.

To suggest that it is irrelevant *why* 3,000 people died that day is beyond stupid; it's stupid, multiplied by obtuse, raised to the power of ignorant. Here in the civilized world it is hard to picture what actions could justify the deaths of 3,000 civillians, but over in the Middle East 3,000 dead is just another bad week. 3,000 dead viewed within the context of 500,000 deaths caused by the US led embargo on Iraq gives you a more accurate picture of what we're dealing with here. The implications of this idea that 'nothing the USA has done could possibly justify 9/11' are dangerous. America is no angel and it's actions are not beyond scrutiny. To me, when people are unwilling to question why something happens to them, its because deep down they know that their actions might have something to do with the consequences.

Here in Canada, we had a Jewish school firebombed recently. Predictably, our Prime Minister said this was an attack on all Canadians, and an attack on our way of life. Coincidently, this attack occurred about a week after Israel assasinated that Yassin fellow. The firebombers actually left a note explaining this was in retaliation for the Yassin killing. So when my Prime Minister tells me this was an attack on all Canadians and our way of life, it is a fucking outrageous lie. And when politicians blatantly lie to me, I start asking lots of questions.

Is an American military base in Saudi Arabia, halfway around the world, so necessary that Bush is willing to risk the lives of all Americans? Is it not time to tell Israel 'Cut a deal. Now'? Have the actions of the American government been beyond reproach? Do Americans realize that their government's blind support of Israel, a country half way around the world, endangers the lives of all Americans?

In a recent poll guess what 70% of Europeans viewed as the biggest threat to world peace? Al Quaeda? Nope. Crazy A-rabs who hate our freedom? Nope. Geroge Bush? Nope. It's Israel. Reflect on that for a moment.

Do I believe we should kowtow to the terrorists demands? No. It's not that simple. Anyone read about what happened in Thailand last month? Thailand is a 93% Buddhist nation but there are 4 million Muslims in the south and they're Wahhabi Muslims (ie the really militant ones). Anyhoo, a bunch of these bozos decided to raid the local police station to get weapons and ammo. Trouble was, the Thai police were tipped off and waiting for them. The Thais dont (fiddle) around; they shot over 100 of them on the spot. Why did the muslims do this? There is a movement to create a Muslim superstate across South East Asia, so in this case there was no 'cause - effect' per se.

I'm a pretty bright guy and a I read a lot. And I'm willing to concede that the questions of terrorism and the Iraqi invasion may be too big for me to get a handle on, which means it's probably beyond the grasp of many of us to gain a full understanding of the picture. But we can try. ABQ, baby. Always Be Questioning. Remember, the real enemy is bullshit.

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-You hate freedom
-You hate America
-You hate Israel
-You love terrorists
-WHO CARES WHY THEY DID THIS YOU ARE A COMMIE PINKO APPEASER DIE DIE DIE
-You are a French frog
-You are blacklisted forever
-You are saying America deserved to be attacked
-Go to hell