Total Human Losses
The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including about 20 million due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths about 5 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost around 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.

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col Gene's lack of facts and context up 200%!!!!!

It may be true that the deaths are double that of last year, this is a good thing! we have three times the troops and about double the deaths according to Gene. This means that we are losing less people, and the surge is working.

You say 77,000 but that is bogus number.

more civilians died in world war 2 than soldiers.

That's right, because the militaries of the time did not discriminate between civilians and military targets because their weapons systems were not capable of doing it effectively.

Today, in modern war, the military is much more able to do that. In urban warfare not so much, because you have a hard time avoiding civilian casualties because of the close proximity of the civilians to the forces.

Also, AQ and the insurgency doesn't seem to value life the way trained military forces are trained to do, fighting war by the rule of law.

Civilians also died because of disease, starvation, and other causes that the fighting. The fighting is what brings about those secondary causes however.

Which is why avoiding this shit storm should have been the priority, not occupying the country.

how do you tell the civilian wearing a bulls shirt from the non civilian wearing a bulls shirt. oh and they are both armed

"how do you tell the civilian wearing a bulls shirt from the non civilian wearing a bulls shirt. oh and they are both armed"

What?

exactly

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2007
“Since most of the sources are either agencies like the Treasury, Census people like George Tenet, I know what post is true.


The problem gene, is you completely misrepresent these facts. Case in point is how you automatically use Tenet as a source, and then hold your hand over your ears when we show counter points to what Tenet said. Just because someone like Tenet "said" something, doesn't exactly make it true, or show the whole picture.”



What Tenet said is the collective judgment of the CIA and the work of thousands of people dedicated to produce the very warnings that Bush and Rice ignored. You appear to be saying all that work by all those people was WRONG?? The truth is that were correct since we were attacked on 9/11. You seem to think that what Tenet said in his book was his single judgment- That is simply not correct.

When I post the exact dollars amounts from the U.S. Treasury Web Sight, HOW IS THAT WRONG? When I post the data from the Census Bureau HOW IS THAT WRONG?

Do you mean like when we said that all those people and all that money said that Iraq was re-starting its wmd program? Remember that slam dunk tenant said that it was a fact. and you said that it was not. So your point is that Mr. Bush ignored the warnings and we were attacked, but did not ignore the other warnings and he should have known that Tennant was lying. Yup makes perfect sense, not to me cause I am sane.



So you admit that Mr. Bush was justified in making war on Iraq? Great! Welcome to the world where reality rules!