these were attacks before bush took office. so why didn't clinton do anything. and please telling them that we were sending in missiles two hours before we sent in the missiles was doing nothing.


ben laden get out of there we're going to hit your camp in two hours.

"Something really bad's gonna happen, somewhere, sometime, maybe real soon." Your job is to stop it. Let's see how you do.

You quote a bunch of generalizations, nothing actionable. If there had been something actionable, it would have been Tenet's job to identify it and recommend it. To claim Tenet's bosses "did nothing" when Tenet had no fucking clue what to do is bullshit. Speaking of nebulous bullshit, what exactly does "war footing" mean?

Just what legal actions would you suggest Bush &/or Rice should have taken in the summer of 2001 to put us on this so-called "war footing" based on CIA's belief that "something bad, somewhere, sometime" was going to happen? I say "legal" because you certainly wouldn't want your precious CIC breaking the law. What legal resources did he have at his disposal to interfere with, let alone stop, this "major attack" which we now know was 9/11? Perhaps a little research into Jamie Gorelick's role would enlighten you as to the limitations the CIA, and inescapably the President, had to deal with under existing law. And don't come back with this bullshit that his crime was "doing nothing" - you have no basis for that claim, no knowledge, only the banal generalities you pulled from a CYA paperjob. If that's the crime, leave 9/11 out of it, because if you're not talking about 9/11, just what has happened, exactly, that demonstrates Bush & Rice failed to "protect" America? Aside from 9/11, America's been pretty damn well-protected. Anything prior to that that you want throw in, just so you can get in some guilt-by-association digs ("I know Bush wasn't responsible for ______, but...") happened long before his watch.

Gene, you're an ignorant douchebag. You want it both ways - accuse Bush of "doing nothing" and go ballistic when he does (FISA, etc.) Aside from that, you're OK.

So disagreeing with you or thinking you are an obsessive asshole with delusions of persecution makes me a "bushie" well then I guess that makes me one. See this is where your one candle power brain fails you gene, disagreeing with you or poking fun at your obsession with Bush neither makes me wrong nor a "bushie" it just makes me someone that has a different opinion of you than you have of yourself. Notice I did not have to underline anything nor use caps or an excessive amount of exclamation points to make my point!

LOL.  You didn't post one thing that could have prevented Sept. 11.  How many times do you just post useless nonsense just to make a post that has the word "Bush" in the title?

i guess it is time for him to start a new attack bush post.

[foil liberal thinking hat]I think Gene is a racist - why else bring up Condi?[\foil liberal thinking hat]

Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007
“How do you protect from an unknown attack. Type of attack. how their going to attack. where their going to attack.

come on gene you can't be this stupid.”


If for six months you received warnings that a gang was about to attack you and your family what would you do? If you did NOTHING and one day that gang attacked and killed members of your family I guess you would say you acted properly? You were not told when and where so what could you do? BS!!!! You would argue that you did all you could to protect your family. IN A PIGS EYE!

What should Bush and Rice have done? They should have alerted the many agencies from the FBI to local law enforcement that we needed to be looking and reporting and activity that did not appear normal. We should have begun rounding up illegal’s and closing our borders. We should have done all the things we do today when we have an elevated threat level. When the President receives from the CIA Director a warning that says we are in such great danger that the country needs to be placed on a WAR FOOTING, the proper response is NOT to do nothing.

Proof that Bush did not act properly can be seen by the fact they tried to keep the July 11, 2001 meeting where the dire warning was given a secret even from the 9/11 Commission. That was a Damming event that can not be ignored. Bush and Rice FAILED to protect this country despite repeated warnings that we were in danger! We have thousands of people employed to protect the country and they were NOT used even though we had credible threats for 6 months PRIOR to 9/11. We also were told WHO the danger was from. Then after we were attacked by the group that was threatened us, Bush attacks a Totally different country and sends the vast majority of our military to deal with someone that had NOTHOING to do with the attack on 9/11 or in prior attacks! WHY?????????

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007
[foil liberal thinking hat]I think Gene is a racist - why else bring up Condi?[\foil liberal thinking hat]


BETTER look at my comments about Coiln Powell if you think I am a racist. You are an IDIOT! If you think the libs are racist, how do you explain Clinton?

Dainelost

Let me add the gang that attached your family had attacked them three or four times before the current attack!

LOL.  What a ridiculous analogy.  I guess we could apply that to Iraq that had planned to assassinate a U.S. President, attacked our planes on an almost daily basis.  How many times before we should act?  LOL!

Once again there was no actionable intelligence on Sept. 11.  You can look at various other committees and studies that sad the same thing.  There was a problem with our intelligence agencies way before Bush, and the Gorelick situation was one of those.

You would have been the first one writing how Bush is becoming a dictator by stopping all muslims at airports, and clamping down on strict security measures.  The failures of Sept. 11 started happening a long time ago, most notably our failure to respond to the first WTC bombing.  But since that involves a democrat, you won't touch that one.

You are a joke gene.  It's so obvious that you write nonsense just to make a ridiculous claim against Bush. 

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007
“If for six months you received warnings that a gang was about to attack you and your family what would you do? If you did NOTHING and one day that gang attacked and killed members of your family I guess you would say you acted properly? You were not told when and where so what could you do? BS!!!! You would argue that you did all you could to protect your family. IN A PIGS EYE!


. What a ridiculous analogy. I guess we could apply that to Iraq that had planned to assassinate a U.S. President, attacked our planes on an almost daily basis. How many times before we should act? !” I BET when the threat was made against Bush 41, the Secret Service took action!

Once again there was no actionable intelligence on Sept. 11. You can look at various other committees and studies that said the same thing. There was a problem with our intelligence agencies way before Bush, and the Gorelick situation was one of those.” True but Bush was President on 9/11 and ignored warnings of that attack for 6 months!


That is BS. When the Director of the CIA tells the President we need to go on a WAR FOOTING and the President does not act, the President is irresponsible. My analogy is RIGHT ON. The problem it is so right on YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT TO DEFEND THE INACTION OF BUSH. When you receive the Presidential daily Brief entitled, “Bin Laden determined to attack the U.S. what did GWB do? Continued his vacation in Texas. He should been back in Washington that same day insisting that all the law enforcement agencies in this country were doing everything possible to prevent such an attack. Anyone that defends how Bush and Rice handled the continual threats to this country between March and Sept 2001 shows just how stupid and misguided they are. The security of our country is JOB ONE for the President. HE FAILED JOB ONE and then was elected by 52% of the people who voted in 2004. HOW LAME IS THAT? Anyone that has a job and FAILS their principal task gets fired. Time to Fire Bush and his inept administration.

Island Dog

"Once again there was no actionable intelligence on Sept. 11."

We had multiple threats from a group of terrorists that had attacked us at least three times before; the proper response by Bush is to do NOTHING! ARE YOU NUTS?

As usual, Gene refuses to respond to direct criticism because he can't. Demands everybody prove him wrong then ignores challenges.

As luck would have it, I just yesterday came across the perfect description of Gene in Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco:

"A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn't know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense..."

Had no idea Umberto Eco knew Gene.

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007
As usual, Gene refuses to respond to direct criticism because he can't. Demands everybody prove him wrong then ignores challenges.

As luck would have it, I just yesterday came across the perfect description of Gene in Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco:

"A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn't know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense..."

Had no idea Umberto Eco knew Gene.


LOOK in the MIRROR Daiwa-- That is YOU!!!!!

I just yesterday came across the perfect description of Gene in Foucault's Pendulum

LOOK in the MIRROR Daiwa-- That is YOU!!!!!

Brilliant comeback, what a blistering verbal parry... so, Gene is rubber and Daiwa is glue? ::

LOL, that is the biggest BS Col has every posted on this site. Col, you blame Bush for everything, one way or another.

You are seriously deranged. There have been threats for how many years before Sept. 11 gene?  For the third time do you understand the mess our intelligence agencies were because of obstacles people like Gorelick put in place?  It's so easy for you to sit back and whine that "Bush had a warning and did nothing".  Well like all your posts it's pure BS!

Let's take a big guess and wonder who here would have been the first person complaining that Bush was being too strict and being a "dictator" by placing severe security measures in place. 

You are a classic case of BDS where you take nothing else into consideration except Bush.  Nothing else gene, it's all about Bush and how you come up with some vague reason to blame him for something else.  You need to get a life and seek help from a professional.

You are seriously deranged. There have been threats for how many years before Sept. 11 gene? NO YOU ARE THE ONE DERANGED!!!!!


When the CIA Director says we need to go to WAR FOOTING and Bush does nothing, Bush is NOT DONG HIS JOB TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY. When Bush gets PDB that is entitled, Bin Laden determined to attack U.S. and he continues with his vacation and takes no action, the President IS NOT DOING HIS JOB!When Bush tries to hide the July 11, 2001 warning that we should go on a WAR FOOTING the question is WHY?

I'm in a generous mood. Let's try one last time: Gene, please explain exactly what you mean by "war footing" - tell us exactly what the President could have done. And tell us exactly what indicates the President has failed to protect America if you're not talking about 9/11, which you insist you're not. I'm afraid Eco has you nailed.

LOL.  This "warfooting" term you are using would have not stopped Sept. 11. 





LOL.  Aren't these liberal talking points from years ago?  His "vacation", and let's remember you don't stop being President while on vacation, had no impact at all on what happened on Sept. 11.  You are seriously just grasping at straws.  You keep ignoring everything else that is being brought up to you.  You are a fraud.




Can you show us where Bush was trying to "hide" this "warning"? 

Col, I think you have dug yourself such a deep hole that even your name calling is like trying to throw a rock out of that hole but it comes right back down and bops you on the head.

But then again that must be Bush's fault as well.

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007
I'm in a generous mood. Let's try one last time: Gene, please explain exactly what you mean by "war footing" - tell us exactly what the President could have done. And tell us exactly what indicates the President has failed to protect America if you're not talking about 9/11, which you insist you're not. I'm afraid Eco has you nailed.


Mobilized all law enforcement agencies to be on the look out for any activity, especially by Moslems, and insure agencies such as the FBI< CIA< ICE< and DoD agencies were doing everything possible to identify and possible actions that were suspicious.

Coordinate with intelligence and law enforcement of other countries.

Coordinate input from financial institutions both in this country and abroad.

Move to control entry along our borders with the active military or the National Guard.

BUSH IGNORED both the July 11th warnings as well as the PDB on August 6th that clearly said Ben Laden was about to attack the U.S.. Given the fact they had done so three times before, WHY would Bush do nothing?

Can you show us where Bush was trying to "hide" this "warning"?


They did not provide this to the 9/11 Commission which was to be provided all relevant facts leading up to the attack. This warning was one of the MOST important warnings and recommendations from the CIA. It took the Press to make the Commission and the public aware of this meeting!

They were already doing everything Congress permitted (see Gorelick, Jamie).


Ditto.


Ditto.


Ditto. There was no authority to implement marshal law.

The best you can come up with are banal generalities that you know were not possible at the time. Sorry, no cigar.

LOL.  Gene is advocating racial profiling.  If Bush did this you would have been the first one to complain about it.  This is too funny.




Ignored is what you do here.  As it's been told to you over three times, there was intelligence problems dating way back.  There is nothing significant Bush could have done to stop Sept. 11. 

You are getting more and more pathetic with each Bush posting.  You really need some help.