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An Anti-Choice Argument

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An Anti-Choice Argument

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A pregnant woman.

What characteristics define this noble creature? Hormonal, of course, and as it should be. Lacking in brain power, quite forgiveable, as the blood that normally visits there is now taken by a new life, which is such a beautiful thing that one can only smile when she forgets her phone number, where she left the car keys, and sometimes, her own name. Women who would never have this kind of problem under any other condition, any other stress...

In other words, a pregnant woman is the LAST person who should be making ANY sort of life changing decision, even in her OWN life.

Why, then, do we leave this decision up to her? It may be her body, but she is in an altered state during this time.

So why, how can we even think that this person should have a decision that could impact the world, and her own life, with such magnitude? It doesn't make any sense!

Alas, there is nobody that can choose for her, including herself. The woman, even before she is pregnant, is not properly equipped to choose. During the pregnancy, as discussed, is not fit to choose. After the pregnancy is too late. It is nobody else's right to make the decision for her. I can think of only one other soul who has any right to choose in this instance - and they are not born yet, not nearly old enough to choose.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
and throw in a movie for good measure....we're talking chick flick.


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Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
ok Jythier...it's like this..

if you had said that tramatic changes in one's life could bring about a bad decision as a result of emotions running amok I would have agreed with you. Things like divorce, death, unplanned pregnancy etc can bring about a flux of emotions crowding out sensible logic in making a good decision.

How many times have you heard that when a spouse dies, no big changes should be done for about a while? Don't invest, don't buy, don't sell, don't remarry etc. until you've given some time to the big change that has occurred in your life? We make many mistakes when we let our emotions take control especially during these trying times. We can't always trust our emotions during such times. This is a time to think, ask advice especially from those closest to us that we trust and know us best.

So while I understand (somewhat) what you're trying to say, I think the loss of brain power thing was like...way over the top.



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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think it's going to take a bit more than Dove bars, however good they are. I'm thinking like a full 4 course dinner.


Well, it's up to y'all to negotiate. I was just trying to point him in the right direction.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
All I said was that women should not be making decisions about aborting their children while they are pregnant, or before they are pregnant.


you said wayyyyyyyyyyyy more. but even if you'd said nothing more or less, you still would be saying women are incapable of making such a decision no matter the circumstance--leaving it to whom? the prospective father?

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, it's up to y'all to negotiate. I was just trying to point him in the right direction.


ya, I think he owes his wife....dinner and a movie.

you still would be saying women are incapable of making such a decision no matter the circumstance--leaving it to whom? the prospective father?


good point Kingbee. Although I'm all for signing up for no one to make this decison.

I know...let's ask the unborn child. Let him/her decide. Of course that may take 8-10 years or more for them to understand language and logic.



Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think it's going to take a bit more than Dove bars, however good they are. I'm thinking like a full 4 course dinner.

and throw in a movie for good measure....we're talking chick flick.


Whatever it is, it is not going to be cheap or easy!
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Kingbee:

"leaving it to whom? the prospective father?"

From the post I thought we were talking about: "Alas, there is nobody that can choose for her, including herself."

I said NOBODY is qualified. Leaving it up to the father... what do you think I am, a chauvinist?

And who said anything about having MEN around to help you? I certainly didn't.

"Oh, what, so now you're abandoning them?" No!

But, LW, this had some merit.

"She shouldn't make that decision because it's WRONG. Period. No further justification required.

~reaches through screen and smacks him a good one upside da head."

I included the smack upside da head as having merit.

"Obviously, you DON'T know what women are capable of, even after being told."

What do you think I think a woman can't do? Astronauts, mail-women, accountants, fire fighters, writers, dancers, athletes, everything. Go do it, you can. You can even go serve in Iraq. Never mind the stuff women can do that men can't. TW had a pretty good list of stuff she did. Including buying a car - that's entering into a CONTRACT. A woman! Wow. All kinds of stuff. *eye roll*

I know what I wrote, and it did NOT put men on a pedestal over women. It simply discussed the condition of being pregnant, ie, pregnancy brain, which I thought was something worse than it seems to be, and how that was not the time you'd want her to be making a decision regarding her baby's life. I certainly didn't say that a MAN should make the decision, in fact I said nobody should.

As for KFC, don't worry about me, I'll be fine. See, my wife HAD pregnancy brain. Which is how I got the whole idea in the first place.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
I said nobody should


you're not presenting an argument but rather your opinion stated as a command.

no matter how convinced you may be yours is perfectly right and righteous, please remember opinions are like assholes. everyone has his or her own.

you may also wanna check out the currently circulating litany of liberal character flaws. who knows? may turn out you resemble (one or more of) those remarks.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just for being a guy like Jythier I fear even replying here at all. Were you watching Deathwish when you wrote this while seeing yourself as the guys that Charles Bronson was killing? Man, this makes my uneducated replies look like a genius wrote them. You got big cojones my friend.

I love women, I couldn't live without them. As mad as any of them might make me, I would never write an article like this one. It alone proves the contrary, you must have been at a lose of blood in your brain when you wrote this. Be thankful this is the internet and not a face to face debate or you would be dead by now.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
JYTHIER WRITES:
A pregnant woman.

What characteristics define this noble creature? Hormonal, of course, and as it should be.


Jythier, all I can say is your article was terrific up to here.

So what you made a mistake and put both feet in your mouth giving you no legs to stand on when you wrote, "lacking in brain power.."?

The one who never made a mistake never made a discovery.

Keep counting your blessings and thank God for them. Your heart was in the right place. Have an awesome day, everybody.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Jythier, all I can say is your article was terrific up to here."
"So what you made a mistake and put both feet in your mouth giving you no legs to stand on when you wrote, "lacking in brain power.."?"

Well... my wife can barely remember anything that happened during her pregnancy, but she could certainly be the exception. Or could be pulling wool over my eyes, but I doubt it. Things that it would have been to her benefit to remember were forgotten... If you were around her while she was going through this, you would think pregnant women were lacking in brain power, too. But I see everyone else seems to think I'm mistaken, so I'll take their word for it. I haven't been around EVERY pregnant woman, after all. And Tex seems to not have suffered from it at all.

"i have a cert. in accounting true it isn't a college degree. but i do have some knowledge of accounting."

Accounting is a whole lot of writing, danielost. Are you holding out on us?
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
Things that it would have been to her benefit to remember were forgotten...


I fully understand this and would quite agree. For myself, I know I had pain, but I can't remember it. Then again, much like my own mother who delivered 10 babies, 7 at home in the late 30's and 40's, I never had stitches. Those I understand make a big difference in the pain quotient.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
If you were around her while she was going through this, you would think pregnant women were lacking in brain power, too.


Wow.

Keep digging dude.

Yes, pregnancy is stressful. Yes, sometimes it is hard to focus. NO, pregnant women do not need to be protected from themselves.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
NO, pregnant women do not need to be protected from themselves.


but they do from stupid men
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
I remember one thing about my wife when she was giving birth. She sunk her nails in my arm and said she would kill me, of course she was under that anesthesia so she had no clue what she was saying. She doesn't even remember.

Keep digging dude.


Hah, the guy already pasted the Earths core and is heading straight for China.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Um, Charles, if she had an epi or IV narcotics, she would not be in pain and digging her nails into you.

I think maybe YOU don't remember the delivery as well as you think you do. Perhaps the pregnancy "lack of brain power" is contagious to men as well. Scary stuff.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
Um, Charles, if she had an epi or IV narcotics, she would not be in pain and digging her nails into you.


Actually she did have the epi, but was still feeling it. Not sure why though, I think I may have caught her when she had just had it injected in her. She did become more calm a little while later and after the birth slept for 24 hours straight. Trust me, apart from any medical thing they did to her I remember the birth of my first son very vividly. The most beautiful and weirdest thing in the word was to see my boy's head coming out and then eventually see him for the first time. But she did digg her nails in my arm and said she would kill me. Of course she doesn't remember that at all.

Perhaps the pregnancy "lack of brain power" is contagious to men as well. Scary stuff.


Who knows. I was seeing her partially naked after all and as LW suggested, we men only have enough blood to fill one head, right?
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just got back to this thread, finally.

All I can say is I'm becoming a really big fan of Mrs. TW. Bravo, Texas...you're a strong, intelligent lady, and a credit to your race ...I mean GENDER! 'Damn uterus' indeed...I laughed out loud at that one. That and the one about 'I'd rip you a new asshole, but I have to go to Wal-mart.' Classic!

Your kids are lucky to have you. Thanks for being.
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
Who knows. I was seeing her partially naked after all and as LW suggested, we men only have enough blood to fill one head, right?


Uh, Charles. I don't know about you, but honestly, I can't say arousal was one of my emotions when any of our kids were born.
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can see it now... three years from now, I'm just dinking along, and somebody resurrects this thread... bah.
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can see it now... three years from now, I'm just dinking along, and somebody resurrects this thread... bah.


Hey Buddy - want me to freshen up that Mai Tai PMS cocktail?