NIE Clearly Shows al-Qaeda Threat Grows!

Bush has not done very well to reduce the threat of attack:

Terror Threat Against U.S. Said Serious
By KATHERINE SHRADER and ANNE FLAHERTY (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
July 17, 2007 11:09 AM EDT
WASHINGTON - The terrorist network Al-Qaida will likely leverage its contacts and capabilities in Iraq to mount an attack on U.S. soil, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate on threats to the United States.

The declassified key findings, to be released publicly on Tuesday, were obtained in advance by The Associated Press.

The report lays out a range of dangers - from al-Qaida to Lebanese Hezbollah to non-Muslim radical groups - that pose a "persistent and evolving threat" to the country over the next three years. As expected, however, the findings focus most of their attention on the gravest terror problem: Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network.

That's not what Island Dogs article says.

you have to remember dictator gene operates on the democrats credo. if it is a lie keep pushing it until people start to believe it.

“Reply By: CharlesCS1 Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007
That's not what Island Dogs article says.”


The NIE is clear-- the threat from al-Qaeda is real and growing. That has NOTHING to do with the Democrats CREDO. It clearly shows that what Bush has been doing in Iraq and NOT doing in Afghanistan is not eliminating the danger but allowing it to grow. He talks about fighting this war on Terrorism but the facts show the way he has chosen to fight that war is not effective. We have the vast majority of our military in the middle of the fight between the Shea and Sunni for control of Iraq, while al-Qaeda grows in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Great JOB Bush!

That's actually not what it shows, that is something you are just trying to convince people of.  Bush is the only President who decided to fight terrorism, your loved democrats pretty much refuse to acknowledge terrorism even exists....bumper sticker slogans anyone?

But as usual you find a way to blame Bush for everything and twist the facts.

“Bush is the only President who decided to fight terrorism.”

That is because terrorism was brought HOME while he was president. However after almost 6 years to have a report that shows it is growing in several parts of the world including Iraq which is what the NIE clearly documents. The way bush chose to fight Terrorism is not working. He attacked Iraq and committed the majority of our military power into a country that had NOTHING to do with terrorism. WHY? Now al-Qaeda is operating in Iraq only because of the Bush and the invasion of Iraq. The fact is that the real center for al-Qaeda per the NIE is Afghanistan and the border regions of Pakistan! We do not have the military needed to deal with that threat because they are tied up in a Civil war we enabled in Iraq.

This is from the April 2006 NIE. Now, want to try again "ignutz"?

Notice it says "nothing" about them "growing", just continuing to pose the greatest threat.

reply By: drmiler Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007

United States-led counter terrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of Al-Qaeda and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that Al-Qaeda will continue to pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist organization.


This is from the April 2006 NIE. Now, want to try again "ignutz"?

Notice it says "nothing" about them "growing", just continuing to pose the greatest threat.

Read what the NIE said today you blithering IDIOT!

July 17, 2007 11:09 AM EDT
WASHINGTON - The terrorist network Al-Qaeda will likely leverage its contacts and capabilities in Iraq to mount an attack on U.S. soil, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate on threats to the United States.

Guess WHY al-Qaeda is operating in Iraq today -- GWB!

and again gene thinks we should just give up.

Al-qaeda is in Iraq because they want to prevent a democracy from happening.  Of course that doesn't make sense to Bush haters because it goes against their hatred.  If you Bush haters would put as much effort into winning the war as you do complaining about Bush, we would have won long ago.

Hey JERK! Why don't you post a URL for this supposedly new NIE. Especially since I can find NO references for it on the entire internet!

https://forums.joeuser.com/?forumid=254&aid=158009

as i watch the senate debate tonight, it has come to me that out of all of the elected people in Washington. only one of them actually has a mandate from the people who elected him. that is Senate Lieberman, because he went independent and was reelected running on a platform to remain in Iraq.

Al Qaeda remains a threat. Golly gee.

If we had just not liberated Afghanistan & Iraq, Al Qaeda would now be a historical footnote, Saddam would have come to his senses and joined wiht the US in negotiating with Iran, which would now be a level one US trading partner in return for having abandoned its nuclear ambitions, Syria, the PA, Hamas & Fatah would be in joint talks with Israel over settling the Palestinian issue for good, Beirut would once again be the Paris of the Middle East, Pakistan & India would have settled the Kashmir issue, the genocide in Darfur would have ended, the Somalian war lords would have requested reconstruction aid from the United States, Bangkok would have shut down all prostitution and the UN would be corruption-free.

Damn that Bush, just look at all that could have been accomplished.

Again, so much BS. "YOUR" interpretation of the NIE is flawed as usual!
As of July 2007:



Your precious NIE shows just how flawed and full of BS your title. Nowhere does it state that Al Qa'ida's threat has grown. Learn to read would ya?

And just an FYI since you must be reading impaired...evolving does NOT equal "growing"!

You guys are wasting your time. Col does not understand the concept that when a group of people are determined to cause chaos and disaster that they will always find ways to do it. The police in the US would be considered a failure by Col gene's standards because we still have crime and crime grows every once in a while. But our police system is not a crime stopping system, it's a crime prevention system. But Col does not understand that. Our counter-terrorist system is a terror preventing system, not a terror stopping system. Col is just too old and short a few screws to understand. I still find it amazing he finds his way here everyday and manages to write articles at all. But you may notice that his article barely ever get past one paragraph with maybe 5 to 10 lines. It would be a strain to what's left of his brain to write anymore than that.

From the NYT Scott Shane

"In many respects, the NIE suggests, the threat of terrorist violence against the U.S. is growing worse fueled by the Iraq war and the spreading Islamic extremism." “After years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and terrorist killings in Yemen, Pakistan and else ware, the major threat to the U.S. has the same name and the same look as in 2001."

"The stark declassified summary contrasted sharply with the more positive emphasis of President Bush and his top aides for years... that the invasion of Iraq would reduce the terror menace and that the U.S. had its enemies on the run."

NBC reported that as we spent most of our time and effort in Iraq, al-Qaeda rebuilt their network in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as set up operations in Iraq under the nose of our military forces. Thus al-Qaeda has not only rebuilt but expanded their operations at the same time we lost 3,600 troops, suffered 26,000 injured and spent 1/2 Trillion dollars in Iraq. The Bottom line is that the way Bush has been fighting the Terrorists has not worked and has even resulted in their ability to expand into new locations and to recruit thousands more people and the Iraq War is the major reason for their success.

This NIE is DAMMING to our current approach and shows that Bush and company have not been telling us the truth when he said we have our enemies on the run. The NIE debunks that lie BIG TIME!! We need to get out of the Civil War in Iraq, turn it over to the Iraqi Military and police and concentrate on the real danger like al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

By MARK MAZZETTI and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: July 18, 2007
WASHINGTON, July 17 — President Bush’s top counterterrorism advisers acknowledged Tuesday that the strategy for fighting Osama bin Laden’s leadership of Al Qaeda in Pakistan had failed, as the White House released a grim new intelligence assessment that has forced the administration to consider more aggressive measures inside Pakistan.

Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, in Turbat recently. His strategy in tribal areas has been criticized by President Bush’s advisers.
The intelligence report, the most formal assessment since the Sept. 11 attacks about the terrorist threat facing the United States, concludes that the United States is losing ground on a number of fronts in the fight against Al Qaeda, and describes the terrorist organization as having significantly strengthened over the past two years.

In identifying the main reasons for Al Qaeda’s resurgence, intelligence officials and White House aides pointed the finger squarely at a hands-off approach toward the tribal areas by Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who last year brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in an effort to drain support for Islamic extremism in the region.

“It hasn’t worked for Pakistan,” said Frances Fragos Townsend, who heads the Homeland Security Council at the White House. “It hasn’t worked for the United States.”

While Bush administration officials had reluctantly endorsed the cease-fire as part of their effort to prop up the Pakistani leader, they expressed relief on Tuesday that General Musharraf may have to abandon that approach, because the accord seems to have unraveled.

But American officials make little secret of their skepticism that General Musharraf has the capability to be effective in the mountainous territory along the Afghan border, where his troops have been bloodied before by a mix of Qaeda leaders and tribes that view the territory as their own, not part of Pakistan.

Now you are getting your "analysis" from the NYT's and NBC.....LOL!  You keep misrepresenting what the NIE actually says.  How many times can you be proven wrong and still move forward?

Yo-Yo. Your title says "NIE shows". Not some news paper.
And so, once again proven wrong!

Like I said, a waste of time.

Now you are getting your "analysis" from the NYT's and NBC.....! You keep misrepresenting what the NIE actually says. How many times can you be proven wrong and still move forward?

You are like Bush- in denial. Every news outlet said the same thing CBS, NBC, CNN, NYT They are all wrong? -- You are so full of BS IT IS COMMING OUT OF YOUR EARS!

Sorry Col, but I don't trust the analysis of the NIE or anytihng to do with national security to any of those libera leaning "media" outlets.  Once again you have misrepresented something and are being called on it.

My step-son gave me a calendar of Bushisms. This is the one from today:

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves” GWB September 21, 2003.

"Once again you have misrepresented something and are being called on it.”

I DID not misrepresent anything and you DID not prove me incorrect. You are in denial!