Bush has Gone TOO far

Refusal to submit documents subpoenaed is definitely a nono. I don't know the whole story, but the only way to avoid submitting documents is the documents not existing or the documents not being in your custody or control. Give them the documents, Bush. You're the President. You can get 'em.

On another note, I can't believe I just agreed with COL Gene.

don't listen to dictator gene

bush is refusing to give documents to the congress that they don't have a right to

the documents are on the firing of the attorny generals. and the president may fire them at anytime and for any reason he wants to.

so as i said the congress doesn't have the right to those documents.

however congress does have the right to documents on the new hires.

How about Fienstein? Or any other congress person? He who is without sin throw the first stone. Col, you continously show a bias as you mention nothing from the other side. The Dems won't impeach Bush. TOO many of them have made too much money off of him and this war. hehe and you thought it was only the GOP.

Impeachment won't happen.

How many attorney generals did Clinton fire?

I don't know what congress has a right to in the way of documents, but if they don't have a right to subpoena them, then it should go to court and let a judge decide who has a right to what.

all of them once and i think he did it twice

"Bush is refusing to give documents to the congress that they don't have a right to "

The President does NOT have the authority to determine what Documents Congress has a right to. That is what Congress decides NOT the President. The documents in question also relate to the wire taps used by Bush. If the President has the power to decide what he will release then he can HIDE anything he chooses!

that is called top secret

No it isn't. Congress is a check/balance on the president. There should be no top secret, and if it is, Congress can handle it. They can keep a secret, and they should. But if it's bad enough, they should impeach, and privately. No president should be able to hide things from the other branches. From the public, yeah. From the other branches, no.

“that is called top secret”

NO THAT IS CALLED A DICTATORSHIP! It is an abuse of power!

it doesn't matter this thread is just another excuse to bash bush

Reply By: danielost Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
" it doesn't matter this thread is just another excuse to bash bush"

No it is the truth. You are the one that said it is anti Bush. If the Shoe fits wear it!

the only reason that the congress has to question whether or not they were fired is if they were investigating the admin. They weren't they were investigating the democrat leaders

No actually they can't. Usually "top secret" is a matter of National security. And they aren't allowed access to all of that. So if he claims it top secret, he does not automatically have to provide the documents to congress. Although in this particular case I don't see how he can say that. He "should" give up the documents. He doesn't have to, but should anyway. If for no other reason than to shut them up.

I think he's keeping them because he know if gives the documents to the dems, they'll just twist it up and try to start yet another shit storm. Just like they have on "every" other thing he's done during his tenure. Personally I don't think he should. Clinton was not asked for documentation when he fired all of his. Turn about is only fair.

Reply By: danielost Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
“the only reason that the congress has to question whether or not they were fired is if they were investigating the admin. They weren't they were investigating the democrat leaders”


The subpoenas also cover the wire tapping done by the Bush Admin in violation to FISA. It is not just the discharge of the U.S. Attorneys. The issue is that Bush can not tell Congress what information they require. He can not selectively obey the subpoena power of Congress!

here read this the democrats are on a witch hunt and as such bush should never surrender those documents.

Published on Monday, November 6, 2006 by Agence France Presse
Cheney Says Unlikely He Would Comply with Congress Subpoena


US Vice President Dick Cheney said he would likely refuse to testify before Congress if he is faced with a subpoena from the opposition Democratic party.
The Democrats say if they prevail in Tuesday's legislative elections they may launch investigations into past actions taken by President George W. Bush's administration, possibly even issuing subpoenas to compel prominent officials to testify.

Asked in a television interview if he would testify before Congress if he received a subpoena from lawmakers however, Cheney said it was unlikely he would comply, as it would break with American political tradition.

"I have no idea that I'm going to be subpoenaed, and obviously, we'd sit down and look at it at the time," he told ABC's "This Week".

"But probably not, in the sense that the president and the vice president are constitutional officers and don't appear before the Congress," Cheney said.

Cheney, known for his robust view of the executive branch's power, said it was not customary for the president or vice president to be compelled to testify before a congressional committee.

"I think that's been the tradition. I can't think of the last time a president did appear before the Congress, or a vice president," Cheney said.

When reminded by the television interviewer that former president Gerald Ford testified before Congress in the 1970s, Cheney said that Ford had appeared voluntarily without a subpoena.

"He did. That's right. But not under subpoena. He did it on his own hook," Cheney said. "He wanted to explain the pardon" issued for ex-president Richard Nixon, who had resigned amid the Watergate scandal.

Copyright © 2006 Agence France Presse


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House Panel Issues First Subpoena Over Firings

By Dan Eggen

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according to this the democrats don't want documents pertaining to the 8 ags that were fired. they already have access to these documents. they want all documents that don't even have anything to do with those 8.

so again i say that congress is on a witch hunt. bush should never give them these extra documents.

“So again I say that congress is on a witch hunt. Bush should never give them these extra documents.”

Congress is TOTALLY within its authority for oversight of Bush and the Executive. You can call it what you want the fact is that Congress has subpoena power and if Bush and Cheney fail to comply they should be held in contempt of Congress and removed from office! Bush and Cheney are NOT above the law and the law allows Congress to look into what and how Bush and Cheney operate.

no one is within their authority to look at anyone becouse they want that person to have done something wrong.


a police officer cannot enter your house becouse he has a gut feeling that you have done something illegal. they have to have some evidence that said person has done something illegal.

what congress is doing is wanting to look at everything just in case the president has done something wrong. which means he hasn't done anything wrong. ie witch hunt

Reply By: danielost

"what congress is doing is wanting to look at everything just in case the president has done something wrong. which means he hasn't done anything wrong. ie witch hunt"

OVERSIGHT by Congress is not only part of their Constitutional Authority but an essential part of the CHECKS AND BALANCES that is at the heart of our system of government. As usual YOU do not know what you are talking about!

No, as "usual" YOU'RE the one that doesn't have a clue and danielost is dead on the money. You just want the witch hunt to begin so you "might" get some more ammo against Bush. That is after the dems twist everything around. Why don't you just give it up and admit, that you're stuck with Bush until 2008?

And just a clue for the clueless one...the checks and balances come into play AFTER they KNOW something was done wrong. Right now they DO NOT know any such thing. That's why it's a witch hunt. They're looking for "anything" they can twist up and hang around GW's neck.

"Show me" in US law where congress has the right to oversight "EVERY" little thing Bush does.

here i will answer for him

And just a clue for the clueless one...the checks and balances come into play AFTER they KNOW something was done wrong. Right now they DO NOT know any such thing.

First-- Bush failed to follow the FISA law and go through the court set up to approve wire tape. HE did it outside the law-- reason ONE. The reasons given to fire the 8 U.S. Attorneys was untrue and the is evidence that many top Bush officials set up E-mail accounts through the RNC in violation of the HATCH ACT. Two more reasons. There is more then enough justification for Congress to be looking into the Bush administration and Congress has SUBPONIA POWER and if Bush and Cheney defy those subpoenas, they should be removed from office via IMPEACHMENT!

Gene's understanding of the Constitution is impaired, but then what's new?

Congress is not the uber-branch of government, nor is the Executive. Congress has no more business "running" the Executive Branch than the Executive has enacting laws on its own. The concept of Executive Privilege was established by another GW, as in G. Washington, rather awhile back.

Like Gene needs a "last" straw. Hee haw.

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Friday, June 29, 2007
Gene's understanding of the Constitution is impaired, but then what's new?

Congress is not the uber-branch of government, nor is the Executive. Congress has no more business "running" the Executive Branch than the Executive has enacting laws on its own.


You are incorrect. Congress has subpoena power and Bush and Cheney can not ignore these subpoena’s. The oversight of Congress is well established and just because the GOP controlled Congress did not exercise this responsibility does not mean Congress does not have this power. For Bush and Cheney to be able to keep secret what they are doing would mean they could break any laws and go on without consequence. I for one would cut the funding for both Bush and Cheney to the point where only the most essential functions were funded such as security. No more trips, dinners etc.