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DING DONG THE BILL IS DEAD, THE BILL IS DEAD THE BILL IS...

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DING DONG THE BILL IS DEAD, THE BILL IS DEAD THE BILL IS...

DING DONG THE WICKED BILL IS DEAD

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 The Bush Immigration Bill which came so close to granting everyone and their mother amnesty and a path to citizenship regardless if they were criminals or not, is dead. I was against this bill from the very beginning as I felt it was unfair and disrespectful to so many people that have come to America legally, waited their turn, did the right thing. To see that people were going to be given the gift of citizenship after breaking the law to enter the country ILLEGALLY just made me sick and angered me on so many levels I cannot begin to start a list.

The Senate could not muster enough votes for cloture... so yes the bill has died an ignoble dead, Just the kind of death this bill deserved.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
It seems to me that it was during Bill Clinton's presidency that welfare reform was made law.


Only because a Republican controlled House and Senate made it so. Quit giving Clinton credit for reforms he opposed.


(Citizen)little-whipJune 9, 2007 12:43:50


how dare you not bow at the alter of CLINTON!!! here is how this works, if the result are good it was because Bill was president, if the result were bad it is because the Congress was controlled by REPUBLICAN EVIL BASTAGES.


See this was the DEMONCRAPS never lose.

In todays world it works the same way, If the results are bad, BLAME BUSH, BLAME BUSH, if the results SEEM good it is because the DEMOCRAPS control both houses, again the DEMOCRAPS win either way.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bill Clinton promised to "end welfare as we know it" during the 1992 presidential campaign and told even his Democratic audiences that public assistance should be "a second chance, not a way of life."

Clinton signed the welfare reform legislation on August 22, 1996.

The final lesson is the value of some bipartisanship. Although welfare reform was mainly a Republican project, President Clinton (who had pledged to "end welfare as we know it") provided general support, as did many Democrats who voted for the final bill.
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
LocamamaJune 9, 2007 13:18:29


Bill Clinton promised to "end welfare as we know it" during the 1992 presidential campaign and told even his Democratic audiences that public assistance should be "a second chance, not a way of life."


Amy? Bill is one smart politician as everyone knows, which is why he was elected two times, something very rare these days. His appeal was that he also appealed to centrist republicans { I was a registered Democrat at the time}. He did wonders for the American economy. But it was his weak foreign policy that led to sept.11, along with Carters no answer to Iran kidnapping Americans and holding them for 444 days till Ronald Reagan took office. Bill had his good points and I voted for him not once but two times, I am still proud of those votes, But Bill is not the Savior some people think he was. His promise to end lifetime welfare was a Republican Platform, something he knew he could get passed and credit for because he knew the right already supported it along with the left. He knew this before hand, before he was elected, before he took office, it was a safe bet and a safe statement to make, a safe promise to keep as it took no effort on his part to make it happen.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not saying that Bill Clinton, Super President, single handedly reformed welfare and leaped tall buildings in a single bound. I am disputing what Whip said that he opposed welfare reform. If he ran on it, he didn't oppose it.

I voted for Bill Clinton too. That was my first Presidential election.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
LocamamaJune 9, 2007 14:22:09


I'm not saying that Bill Clinton, Super President, single handedly reformed welfare and leaped tall buildings in a single bound. I am disputing what Whip said that he opposed welfare reform. If he ran on it, he didn't oppose it.


ok then I will stay out of this and let you and whip do it.
first election? why yer just a kid .
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Honestly, I've held my tongue quite a bit when 'debating' with Loca because I like her as a person, however, I've also realized it's quite pointless with someone so poorly informed in regards to political history and short-sighted about the issues of the day.


Well I'm glad you like me. I really don't know that I'm that uninformed. I do read the paper everyday. I try to look up info. that I'm not sure of on the web before I post. I try not to only put up half the story to make my point. I have had a hard time finding an unbiased source of facts. It seems like everything has a spin on it.

So if I'm factually wrong, tell me. If you disagree with my opinion, you can tell me that too. Now the name calling and personal attacks, I probably wouldn't take so well. I do think people haven't laid into me too hard because they know me from the site before I started jumping into the political forums. I just decided that I would speak up more because there seems to be such a conservative slant here. I just want to point out the opposing view and that not all liberals are wackos. It seems like the more liberal regulars are afraid to jump into the melee.

I really don't think everything is puppy dogs and rainbows. I'm not that delusional, am I? Let Loca live in her fantasy world.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)little-whipJune 9, 2007 18:45:44


but in her case, it's just easier to walk away and leave her embracing her misconceptions, because in her case I feel the general good will between us is more valuable than making my point.


I for one am glad, cause I do lovers Amy . She is a work in progress.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
LocamamaJune 9, 2007 19:42:14


Now the name calling and personal attacks, I probably wouldn't take so well.


I will not allow anyone to pick on you Amy. Not on my blog anyways.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
If this bill was not the solution to this problem....then what IS the solution?


Bad legislation is worse than no legislation. It is unfortunate, but Washington very rarely does "do-overs", so when bad legislation gets passed, we have to suffer from it for a long time.

I dont have an all encompassing solution. But I do have a start (we do not have to raise the titanic in one move). And the start is to secure the borders. There is no point in doing anything about illegals here if - A: you dont know who they are - and B: They change daily.

Stop them from coming - THEN worry about what to do with those that are here.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)Dr GuyJune 11, 2007 07:12:40


Stop them from coming - THEN worry about what to do with those that are here.


Put a 25.00 {twenty five} dollar bountry on Illegals crossing the border and watch how many good shot Americans find a new way to make money, I know I would not mind killing some.