DING DONG THE BILL IS DEAD, THE BILL IS DEAD THE BILL IS...

DING DONG THE WICKED BILL IS DEAD

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 The Bush Immigration Bill which came so close to granting everyone and their mother amnesty and a path to citizenship regardless if they were criminals or not, is dead. I was against this bill from the very beginning as I felt it was unfair and disrespectful to so many people that have come to America legally, waited their turn, did the right thing. To see that people were going to be given the gift of citizenship after breaking the law to enter the country ILLEGALLY just made me sick and angered me on so many levels I cannot begin to start a list.

The Senate could not muster enough votes for cloture... so yes the bill has died an ignoble dead, Just the kind of death this bill deserved.

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Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.

Here's a thought, maybe they could try enforcing the laws they already have on the books until then? Maybe they could do something about the backlog at immigration services that takes years to get through?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let's hope this is not another installment in "the Living Dead".  Someone drive a spike through its heart!
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.

Why?  Bush was pushing hard for it.  Do you think a democrat would push harder?  Bush did not kill it, the senate did.  ANd it was a coalition of very liberal and very conservative senators that did it (for different reasons).  Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.


What a democratic President going to do differently?  Offer complete welfare assistance?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.


Kind of a strange response considering it was the current Republican president that was pushing so hard for this. Are you saying the Dems deliberately killed the bill just because the current president is a Republican? If so, they're pretty stupid and childish don't you think?

The simple fact is that bill in question was not the solution to the problem. Enforcement of current laws, a streamlining of the immigration process, and real border security are the answers. Anything that allows for amnesty for illegals and puts them ahead of those who obeyed the immigration laws is not going to sit well with the American public and those senators know it.

Case in point is the recent arrest of a man in Virginia. He is an illegal who has been caught and deported not once but twice was back yet again and killed someone while driving drunk. The fact that he had been deported twice in the past and was back yet again demonstrates a serious problem with our border security.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
HURRAH! It was good news to hear of its defeat. Mason has it nailed, that the simple fact is that the bill was not the solution to the problem..

and we can thank the voters, American citizens, for raising their voices and letting their senators know they were going to hold them responsible (like recall them next election) if they passed this piece of irresponsible Kennedy-led Amnesty dribble.

Kennedy as centerpiece told me all I needed to know--that the bill was a bowl of bad politics---an amnesty deal that trumpeted true legal immigration reform that in order to work and be right for the common good of all has to be taken back to the basics of law.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why? Bush was pushing hard for it. Do you think a democrat would push harder? Bush did not kill it, the senate did. ANd it was a coalition of very liberal and very conservative senators that did it (for different reasons). Politics makes strange bedfellows.


Kind of a strange response considering it was the current Republican president that was pushing so hard for this. Are you saying the Dems deliberately killed the bill just because the current president is a Republican? If so, they're pretty stupid and childish don't you think?



No, what I'm saying is that Bush seems to be a lame duck President with low approval and little influence on the hill.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, what I'm saying is that Bush seems to be a lame duck President with low approval and little influence on the hill.


Then it could be a democrat OR a republican (god forbid).
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, what I'm saying is that Bush seems to be a lame duck President with low approval and little influence on the hill.

So maybe Bush's endorsement was the bill's death knell?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, what I'm saying is that Bush seems to be a lame duck President with low approval and little influence on the hill.

So maybe Bush's endorsement was the bill's death knell?


Ya mean we can start supporting him again?
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Thursday, June 07, 2007
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.

you really want your taxes raised that bad huh? well when a Republican wins just send me another 6% of all your money and pretend a Democrat is in office..

quote]Here's a thought, maybe they could try enforcing the laws they already have on the books until then? Maybe they could do something about the backlog at immigration services that takes years to get through?

now that is a novel Idea, something no President  from either party has done.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Dr GuyPosted: Friday, June 08, 2007
Let's hope this is not another installment in "the Living Dead". Someone drive a spike through its heart!

nope the hard line righties hated it because it was to easy on the Criminal Illegals, while the Bleeding heart liberals loons thought it was to hard on them.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Island DogPosted: Friday, June 08, 2007
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.


What a democratic President going to do differently? Offer complete welfare assistance?

and free medical, subsidized housing, point credits on their SATS because they can spell their names right.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

point credits on their SATS because they can spell their names right.

Damn!  Cpl Klinger loses out again!

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: MasonMPosted: Friday, June 08, 2007
That's okay. We'll revisit this issue again after we have a Democrat as President in 2008.


Kind of a strange response considering it was the current Republican president that was pushing so hard for this. Are you saying the Dems deliberately killed the bill just because the current president is a Republican? If so, they're pretty stupid and childish don't you think?

The simple fact is that bill in question was not the solution to the problem. Enforcement of current laws, a streamlining of the immigration process, and real border security are the answers. Anything that allows for amnesty for illegals and puts them ahead of those who obeyed the immigration laws is not going to sit well with the American public and those senators know it.

Case in point is the recent arrest of a man in Virginia. He is an illegal who has been caught and deported not once but twice was back yet again and killed someone while driving drunk. The fact that he had been deported twice in the past and was back yet again demonstrates a serious problem with our border security.

you tell her mason, the way amy is talking about this you would think this was a Democtatic bill defeated by Republicans, but this is what I have come to expect from democrats, even clear thinking ones.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: lulapilgrimPosted: Friday, June 08, 2007
HURRAH! It was good news to hear of its defeat. Mason has it nailed, that the simple fact is that the bill was not the solution to the problem..

Amen sista! this bill was a bag of garbage, championed by a bag of garbage {kennedy}

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
you really want your taxes raised that bad huh? well when a Republican wins just send me another 6% of all your money and pretend a Democrat is in office..


The tax and spend Republicans have done an awful good job of running up our budget deficit. Unfortunately, both parties have quite an appetite for pork.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
and free medical, subsidized housing, point credits on their SATS because they can spell their names right.


It seems to me that it was during Bill Clinton's presidency that welfare reform was made law. I think there should be a safety net so no child (yes, my heart is bleeding) starves but I do think our welfare programs cost too much and cover too much. I don't want to see the welfare state expanded. I would like to see it shrunk a bit. Maybe I'm not a true Democrat.   Yikes - how embarassing.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #19
you really want your taxes raised that bad huh? well when a Republican wins just send me another 6% of all your money and pretend a Democrat is in office..


The tax and spend Republicans have done an awful good job of running up our budget deficit. Unfortunately, both parties have quite an appetite for pork.


yes they do, But Bush restored the economy and has raised the amount of income to the government by giving tax cuts. The dems will raise taxes and destroy the economy in doing so.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
LocamamaJune 8, 2007 17:09:53


It seems to me that it was during Bill Clinton's presidency that welfare reform was made law. I think there should be a safety net so no child (yes, my heart is bleeding) starves but I do think our welfare programs cost too much and cover too much. I don't want to see the welfare state expanded. I would like to see it shrunk a bit. Maybe I'm not a true Democrat. Yikes - how embarassing.


I too believe in lending a helping hand to those in need Amy, Welfare has its good points, it's when a family is on its third generation of Welfare I begin to see a pattern I do not like. Get a job damn it!
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top


it's when a family is on its third generation of Welfare I begin to see a pattern I do not like. Get a job damn it!


Yeah it was never intended to be a way of life.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
If this bill was not the solution to this problem....then what IS the solution?

Is the celebrated defeat of this bill going to cause some miraculous change? Or are things going to continue down the same road?

Seriously, what is the solution? I'm curious as to what is going to happen now...
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
MasonMJune 8, 2007 18:12:15


it's when a family is on its third generation of Welfare I begin to see a pattern I do not like. Get a job damn it!


Yeah it was never intended to be a way of life.


exactly mason for some lazy no good mofo's it is their way of life, where is Survival of the fittest when you need it?
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Citizen)InBloomJune 8, 2007 18:33:00


If this bill was not the solution to this problem....then what IS the solution?


I dunno rose, but this bill was not. I say we start with some serious border security first, first and first.

Is the celebrated defeat of this bill going to cause some miraculous change? Or are things going to continue down the same road?


More of the same rose sorry to say, but come on now since when do we reward criminals? and that is what this defeated bill was doing.

I have no Idea what will happen now rose, how about you put forth a few Ideas?