I never said anyone would be kill by flare because so far we have AVOID the worse of solar flare.

Didn't quote eh? CME didn't effect anything around or on earth in history of history. I never said it would last million year at all. You are putting words in my mouth."Pulling out an bitek device and put in your mouth while it clean out your dirty mouth"

The reason I can't specify how long a neutron star last is because there are as of this moment about 4 types.


It is a quote without the tag duh.

You forget the part without proton not being in neutron in other word they would actually be repulsive. Sorry you just shoot yourself in feet here. By PEP I am guessing you meant Pauli Exclusion Principle if not shame on me. If it is one of the follow from wikipedia point to it. Thus my point is don't try to use confusing or similar term.


Fix your sentances to sentences please. And 4 sentence that are separated and yet part of a poetry here? Last point on this, I know at least 3 other language beside I don't need to relearn English.

Recheck arguement to argument. My argument is that a substance with state of near absolute already exist, where does it contradiction itself does not make it clear to me.

Which Scientists? Aging is the natural flow of time which has nothing to do with space age. What part isn't clear to your mind?

Not if you plan according. In other word prepare to deal with the problem beforehand thus you don't have a problem afterward. Such as practice of business in predict what problem will show up and came up with solution beforehand. One of the most best known example of this is the skunkwork in which case they came up with better airplane to evade missile before missile could hit the older ones. My point is we will cross/launch across the bridge when we come to it.

Definition of Adapt: to make suitable to requirements or conditions; adjust or modify fittingly.
In other word anything that cause change is either adjust or modify due to a new condition, in this case lack of weight.

Definition of disorient: 1)to cause to lose one's way 2)to confuse by removing or obscuring something that has guided a person, group, or culture, as customs, moral standards, etc. 3)Psychiatry. to cause to lose perception of time, place, or one's personal identity.
By your usage of disorient, are you implying that DNA is awareness and therefore intelligent? If so then why the hell we need the gray matter?

If I am not using English then what the hell language am I using? English is my first and main language in additional several other language which has no influence in how I say things/sentence.

Normal organ can be kill by x-ray what your point here? My point is that I can stay alive with low level x-ray radiation meanwhile blocking the hard radiation is the bigger issues here.

Wow just like 8 or so error here fix them! Only thing I said that DOES disappear in space is weight because it is not pulling toward anywhere by graviton. By non-move and moving inertia is the same thing as relative frame of reference. I don't see myself saying what you think I meant from my earlier post. Which sentence are you talking about or is it sentences?

If you pay attention to news lately they found way to make liquid(not absolute or anything difficult just simply liquid as H2O at room temperate type of liquid) under certain situation accurately give you the number of proton and others quarks just by staring at a screen and scream like a Japaneses school girl (disclaimer this part is just a joke). My point is people already detecting proton and etc. which effectively make your info outdated, get on with the flow.

I am not saying flaw DON'T exist you did. Which was why I included "working" which doesn't meant they don't have proof yet.

Pain of the body is a horrible example here because you can watch a MRI see the resulting brain wave from pain and measure the electric signal your body sent. Hence measure both stimuli and intensify of pain. The stronger electric signal body generate the more intensify pain is. Grant it is impractically difficult to measure organic electric signal but that beside the whole point.

Scientist are saying photon are BOTH waves and particles(Wave-particle duality). I said that by looking at light and shadow you can make comparison and thus see contrast but not measure it. If inertia don't exist then I can just jump to the moon and unplug my umbilical cord Mwhahahaha. (if you can't figure out this one it is a alternative/corruption to the clique joke of Are you thinking I was born yesterday?)

BTW I am generously surprised you didn't figure out the whole bog deal and bitek yet. Hint for the bog thing just look at bog after it been reflect once in a mirror. Just a warning it will hit you kinda hard like a cosmic joke. As for bitek I will not give up at least 300 page worth of explain here on the forum because it can be long.

the reason nobody has died because of a flare is because its impossible for them to reach out this far. what I meant by my little cliche is that a flare causes the CME, but its not the flare that causes the actual radiation damage.

it didnt eh?
how come they think so, as do them, these and this little place
do you want to, say, rewrite your statement?
CMEs are what do damage, they are what accompany flares and actually cause the damage.

they last for ages, but like I said, they are not quantum mechanically stable, they are stable much like the way unexploded TNT is safe. its not, but circumstances keep it stable. it would never ever work on a spaceship, and to add to that your spaceship would be impossible to move. oh, and it would also create a massive gravitational field that would cause it to collapse, and if that didnt happen you would be smeared against the inside of your vessel
just thought I'd give you a small warning.

they dont need to be repulsive to fall apart, the protons in and of themselves provide part of the adhesive property. thats why we dont have C-2578396263901. that many neutrons would blow the atom apart

have you seriously NEVER heard of the belt of stability??? thats an elementary concept.

I've refered to it several times, and none of those have anything to do with what we're talking about. so just make the assumption.

thats not biological aging, biological aging is the process of necrosis believed to be caused by several different effects to the cells of the body. and to quote your favorite wiki

4/9 thoeries have to do with causes linked to radiation and the accumulation of errors. since it is currently theorized that at least a few of these are key factors in the aging process, you can see why the degenerative effect of radiation exposure in space could be called "space aging"

its not a veritable problem, its an issue. by putting rocks on the ship you would at least double its mass, the obvious result being that it requires at least twice as much fuel, more fuel means more mass and consequently more fuel is then required. your 'adding a few rocks' is both innefficient and would cost the ship a LOT of time in its journey. its not a good engineering idea, not in the least.
a problem would be the rocks banging against the side of the ship, the issue would be the tripling or quadrupling of the cost of that space ship and increasing its transit time massively. thats not an acceptable trade off.

(censored for the sake of the conversation) dont attack my language because it doesnt fit precisely.

our bodies have been cut from the evolution stone to exist in a gravitational environment. unless you SERIOUSLY believe that ID is a serious academic theory, and that god (or some other diety/designer if you wish) made us to go into space, you should accept that our bodies have always required certain elements to their survival, food is a big one. oxygen another. gravity isnt exactly a pillar of survival, but the truth is in the bag as to its effects on our bodies
we do not "adapt" in space, losing bone mass and muscle strength and growing fat are not ways that our body works to get used to its new home. in saying this I think you're the one claiming that our DNA is an intelligent existance, that it can handle completely unnatural occurences with an almost divine guidance towards what is nescessary.

this isnt buisness, you cannot just 'plan' and have the rocks mysteriously lose their mass so that travel would go off without a hitch. saying this is unrealistic and quite laughable. the only reason one would use rocks as a shielding material is if they are a complete idiot who doesnt like to plan ahead.

have you seen what chemo does to cancer patients? think of this, only slightly lestened, extended over all spectrums of the electromagnetic spectrum and having it done CONSISTANTLY (not in bursts) for the rest of your life.
do you understand the point now? or is it still that much of a mystery to you.

good question. there are times when your words just do not fit. I may not be following language in its 'perfect' form, but at least I'm coherent consistantly.

Sudbury Neutrino Observatory. although, thing is they detect neutrinos. and its deuterium they use.
if you're talking of other water-based detection shemes, those are half a decade old. the detection of a proton is a very, very old thing, I am almost insulted that you think that. almost.

you are COMPLETELY missing the point, you can detect a photon but you must do it
I N D I R E C T L Y. the photon does not jump out and yell "hello!!!! ITS ME A F***ING PHOTON!!!"
if we are to detect a graviton, it to would need to be done indirectly. we can tell there is gravity by experiments, however in order to verify that there is a real graviton we would need proof in more than just "look, its sucking me in. it must exist!". we need hard, empiracle evidence. stuff not provided by water, or your incessant mumbojumbo. if the graviton was actually found, trust me, I would know about it. hell, even in our throw-science-down-the-toilet society, such a break would be news.

all they have are theoretics, which trust me, I love! but its not proof in the least, proof requires experiments, decayed particles that we have a way to detect. without it we are incapable of quantifying how many such 'gravitons' exist, and theres still sufficient theoretics supporting the idea that gravitons dont exist, and are mearly the interaction of space time with the fabric of particles. even other theories say that gravity is non existant, merely a mathematic artifact of the interaction of particles on a lower dimension.

see, this is where you're wrong. lets make another, simpler example;
sound. sound is the upper level perception of vibrations transmitted from the inner cochlea, however sound is not vibrations in the air, rather their sensation.
pain may be detected in MRIs, but what you see is the body transmitting pain. pain is the coherence of several different messages coming together in the body to produce a sensation (nobody knows how). seeing the brain go all nice faux colors doesnt mean you 'see pain'.

just another example of indirect detection.

contrast does not exist. it is a concept developed through ordering the brain percieves. shadow and light have nothing to do with one another, contrast is something WE as HUMANS and HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS create out of our own nescessity to order.

see, I knew you would get confused. just drop it, its hard to explain in type.

what?
where did you even MENTION that before. do tell, this is the first post where I've seen you use either "bog" or "bitek". no surprise that I couldnt know what the hell you're talking about when you havent said it yet.

oh, this piece of... um...
moving on; how was I supposed to know it was a joke? I thought you were just speaking in utter jibberish... again.

...
so is it supposed to mean pod or god, because neither are particularly amusing...

I'm sincerely concerned for your sanity.

If it was ICME or solar flare I would have completely agree with you.(Just like how magma change into lava just by being above ground) Can't be kill by solar flare eh? Want me to test it on you? -sarcasm end
I won't cover the other 4 or so names for ICME here. By your logic ZPM would don't exist either(because of lack of indirect/direct proof) and by your comment relative to sg-1, I would assume you know what it is. If not, basically a device housing an hole smaller than the device size and accessing to another universe full of energy. Bottom line Casimir effect cause the atom in the "mini-universe"'s atom repulsive each other which create energy which can be convert to energy however how this is done is unknown. Have you ever take a Neutronium and weight it on a weight scale? We know neutron do have mass(about the same as proton) but will it be heavier than anything experience before is unknown(one could agree it is too heavy to exist nature however don't forget people used to think it was impossible to compress mass to the point that light couldn't escape, I trust you know the rest). What you are saying about is purely speculation at this point. Accord to wikipedia the only thing I need to keep neutronium stable at this point is pressure which can easily be done with current material, think of it as a submarine with air tank outside of the neutronium with enough air/water(today submarine already do this to an extant) to keep the pressure on neutron itself while people are living inside without the pressure on their body. FYI there are chemical bond contain not even 10 but 50 carbon as single molecular in stable formation.(better know as plastic, just refer to wikipedia:carbon under allotropes that has no formal name) My point is people used to think of organic matter to be make out of non-chemistry stuff, anyone guess is good as my as to what will happen in the future. I won't reply to your question about belt of stability because I have the college chemistry book in front of me(Chemistry Ninth Edition By Raymond Chang) and I will do some calculation here. Since Neutron mass is TINY heaver than proton just by 2.31*-10^27. With the definition of pure neutron being heavier than proton multiply by mole which being 6.22*23 which come to estimate about .00143682 over one gram of proton which isn't much not counting the fact that temperate likely will alter the weight somewhat. In other word one mole of neutron has 1.00143682 gram weight grant it will be larger as the number of mole get larger but you only need thin layer not a 3 feet of it. (BTW belt of stability is require to help understand string theory thus I already answer your question in the above post) I did a ctrl+f(search function in-case that first time for you) that the first time you mention pep EVER in that form anyway. I won't even read the list of theory because they all are just that theories. Grant Biological aging is/are explain by different methods. My point is they aren't proved yet because due to radiation being main cause to aging and One could speculation that if you put yourself in a "alternative-universe" with no or only weak radiation. (only photon ones) If you can figure out why this would be impossible to test under control laboratory and of course reproduce it via different methods then I said enough. You certainly aren't one of us. BTW if skunkwork had you as boss what kind of airplane you think they would have build? That all I need to say. I am not attacking your language rather your diction (easy to remember the definition of this word because it has the suffix -ary add to, well you now know where the word come from) because your poor diction make me almost call you a "doublethink" and left it at that.
Just to be clear this read to me as a run on sentence because you are putting 2 idea in there. Suggest might go something like "Our bodies have been make for gravitational environment." Although the part with evolution stone and cut does exist as "doublethink tin foil hat speculation territory here.
ID as identify? Or rather you meant one of theory. "Checking for theory". Duh you meant Intelligent Design, beside be careful you are walking on controversy territory because if you either believe in it or think it is possible which is fine with me because it is your "religion". As for my "religion" I am an atheist whose belief is that anything is possible especially if there are no way to prove/disprove it. Adapt !=survive, enough said. To explain why I don't think the two (adapt, survive) aren't mutually exclusively because you can adapt to have darker skin but it won't help you hide among the white terrean from well Amba and bog know what else. I never said rock would lost their mass but rather compensate for it like how ISS stay in a relative stable orbit with gyro running but does not make the problem goes away mysteriously.

You don't have to use rock as the sole method just possible add "layer" to other layer. Just read and notice that either plaster or barium sulfate or leaded glass screen or lead anything to block x-ray which is the stronger radiation
Later on the wikipedia stat that even depleted uranium is used as shield.(although grant rarer but certainly much more common than n-infinity, if you can't figure this one shame on you) I certainly fail to see why you would be more worry about "steady" stream of radiation compare to "burst" radiation. Because there is radiation 24/7 no matter what you do. Thus if someone went by your logic they would just went out and become "hermit". The better question here is "Doublethink" consider a true English language in the context you are using? Trust me nothing is "supposed" to fit even under best criteria, trust me you aren't using a language that is full of "abstract" symbols. Just making an assume here relative to your language usage. I wouldn't exactly call your diction and language consistently. Here some proofs just compare yourselves.

You are without a doubt "nightmare" for English Teacher right?-sarcasm end I wasn't talking about "only" proton but The Ghost Particle too. Shemes? "Tin foil hat rant"scheme? shame? hemes? themes?"rant off" O.o BTW 3 types of neutrino was detect in add to protons. I never exactly said what liquid is make of because they didn't clearly said what they did used. I never said proving graviton was easy as 1,2 and 3. "Reading" hmmm why are you even saying what I already proved earlier and use read inline to figure out which one, I am talking about. One word string will be fantastic overnight! (to quote a joke from movie "The Graduate", despite the irony plastic did become wonderful over time albeit longer) "Tin foil hat territory"You can detect electric wave with MRI gasp HERESY"sarcasm end" I was merely saying you can detect the signal and actually reproduce it with computer device thus can be reproduce without body part at all.(Just look up cochlear implant body isn't hearing which again make your explain bad one albeit again because one argue is that anything that create electric signal is a pain/sensation for anyone) Would dropping a wrench on your hand from one inch hurt at all? Comparing to a trillion ton of metal hitting you at light speed is thus comparable but possible to actually experience and thus measurable it is debatable. Nothing is utter gibberish(jibberish grant is another version of gibberish but dictionary say it isn't a word /shrug don't look at me) Where is the only place in all of universe that anything can exist?UGH fine I will just hide answer some where in my paragraph bi=biological,tek=technology, get it now? I wasn't concur for my sanity cause there is no such thing as being complete sanity, only degree of insane.(pun intend from one of my favorite game TES IV)

Just look at that information, I feel like I am back at school, only with supper boring teachers... *shuders* ... and no cool people to talk to...

So many big words I bet both of you dont know the compelete meaning of, without looking it up again.

Oh, and Emperor, can you please work on your grammar skills. I have seen better sentances from a monkey.

Emp, you know me better than that.

did you miss the qualification "yet" and "this far"?

thats like saying a potato isnt a potato just because its a 'sweet' potato. its just a subset of a larger genre

you are seriously holding up SG-1 as your empirical evidence. give me a break.
SG-1 is pretty good at sticking to simple theoretics, but they aren't that good.

um, lets see...
they DONT. a ZPM is a FICTIONAL ENGINE, based off of internet lore. its like a free energy machine, completely falsified logic based off of half of a theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Energy_Machines

and to dismiss their empiracle proofs that it cant would be foolhardy folly, Einstein created a great proof, the only issue was that he assumed one principle; that the schwarzschild radius would be maintained, but the issue is that matter reverts into the schwarzschild radius, making his proof fail.
I cannot believe that you are dismissing half a century of work simply because someone told you its so. thats not to say they are wrong, but to say that the people believing schwarzschild singularities are impossible are idiots and worthy of dismissal, its insulting to hear that.

again, its not weight that is an issue (stop DOING that.) the mass of the neutron material is all that matters, its too much for a spaceship to resist, even in small amounts. any half-qualified physcisist bachelor could tell you that.

you didnt just say that we could rival the pressure of the core of a neutron star did you? please tell me you didn't. please, I'm losing all faith that you have a brain. its just so wrong...
again, going to pauli the repulsive force of these neutrons would be beyond comprehension, no ammount of pressure that we could apply, now, and I believe forever after, would be sufficient to do what you suggest.

no amount of air would be able to contain the neutronium material, none, at no pressure. I've had enough of debating this point, as you have obviously not a CLUE what you're talking about. this is over, your lack of knowledge is glaringly apparent.

we arent talking CHEMICALS. we are talking NUCLEAR PHYSICS.
chemical bonding has NOTHING at ALL to do with neutronium or Carbon-Xtrillion that you propose exists. neutronium is not a chemical compound, it is a giant-ass atom. how did this slip past you?

thats because they relied on 'divine providence' and not empirical proof. as for "whos to say about the future", give me a break, we have theoreticians for a reason.

I feel like I'm in grade school here! everything he is saying goes against elementary knowledge of nuclear composition.

does it happen to tell you taht the belt of stability is the only list of stable nuclei? because thats what it is. no calculation (let alone by your estranged 'knowledge') is nescessary. if neutronium (trillions of trillions of neutrons together) isnt on it, its because its not stable outside an extensive gravitational environment. guess what! thats the truth.

hey look, guess what wiki calls neutronium! a WORK OF FICTION AND LITERATURE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutronium#Neutronium_and_the_periodic_table
your god has told you so, now will you drop it?

how the hell do you expect trillions of neutrons to be stable if 3 aren't?

rrgh...
a mol of neutrons would NEVER EVER EVER cover a whole ship on its own. your proposing a material thats degenerated below its e degeneracy pressure, you know how you were taught that a molecule is the super-bowl of electron clouds, and the neutron is the pinprick in the center? a mol of a solid is a tiny amount, think how much that would be in compacted neutrons. it would be more than microscopic, it would take at least a mol to fill up even a notable part of any other atom. thats just barely over 1g for not even a fraction of an atom, good luck getting enough to cover your ship.
and since WHEN is multiplying 1x1 "calculations". please, do tell.

if you did then you wouldnt be bringing up this absurd idea. I have very little confidence that you know anything of string theory if you think that 1 mol of compacted neutrons will be enough to be a detectable by even an SEM.

no, I take that back. I dont believe you know anything of string theory because of this.
guess what else is a theory? darwinian evolution.
I'm not saying that there is sufficient empirical proof for those concecepts to be well founded, but they are the most promising of any theories of aging so far, and dismissing them is a grave mistake.

oh he who writes 20 or so different ideas in one paragraph, I must obey.

yes, do tell me, what two ideas?

did you miss the part where I said it was

BULLSHIT?

yes, see this is why I dont like debating with you. you obviously know too many other languages to understand english.

I'm asking you, seriously, how do you propose fixing the issue of doubling your ships mass, forget doubling its fuel needs, then increasing the fuel for that again etc. etc.
you'll find it very hard to keep a bunch of useless rocks from increasing the inertial properites of the ship. but I'm sure, since you know more than any theoretist out there, that you and your godly knowledge MUST have an answer.

yay! you blocked x-rays.
now you have gamma rays, neutrons, protons, beta particles, radio waves, microwaves, UV waves and infrared.
wooho! good luck with all of that. your ship will once again run into the same issues of "too much shit".

I dont know... it might have to do with space having thousands of times more radiation than Earth does. god, and I thought that the magnetosphere and ionosphere had USES to us... shame on me.

lets bring in some expert advice, someone who I know has at least moderate hold on how to speak E N G L I S H. emp!

ooh... monkey.
I think thats all the proof I need.

do you have any FUCKING idea what a neutrino is?
I'll give you a hint, its NOT a neutron. its almost massless and has very VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY
let me add some more emphasis so that you'll undestand
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY little interaction with other particles of the cosmos, it would in no way be useful as a shield. 30,000 (might be missing a zero...) of these things pass through every cubic inch of your body per second, and yet you arent instantly fried, ever wonder why?

this scares me, I'm starting make patterns out of this NONSENSE!
pain is not electromagnetic signals, sound is not vibrations or emag signals. they are something rooted in higher level perception that we as of yet do not understand, they are concepts and are in no way accesable or visible. it may be above your head, but PAIN DOES NOT EXIST. its an illusion created by interactions of particles in your head.

no amount of implants could help me understand the mess of vowels and consonants that you smash together. I'm sure you think you're so witty right now...

oh for gods sake, I'm not going to get into a philosophical arguement. you dont even listen to empiracle evidence, so that would be a pointless venture.

Just to clarify, Which Emperor are you talking about Emperor?-sarcasm end

Grant they aren't prefect, pretty or rather poetry in Ninja case. They just have to convey either idea or information. Have you ever heard "No what we have here is a fail to communication".

if they did that then there wouldnt be an issue. I would just glaze over it, because my writing wouldnt be much better (or anyone else's on this forum). but it becomes jumbled and confused at times, and just seperating one idea from another becomes a laborous task.

I'm glad you're so fond of my writing.

Eh... it could be better, but at least it doesnt give me a headache and a want to open up Word and correct the mistakes.



Ever heard of a special littel friend I like to call the comma?
Its seems you have, well let me give you a little advice. The comma does not like to be missused, it just doesnt. If it is missused than it sends out small telepathic messages to others that portray the writer as a grammatical imbecile.

And me being the Grammatical Communist Anti-Nazi that I am, I cant let that happen.



I think someone should call Sarcasm, it looks like he has gotten a competitor.

And to think we almost made it to 35 posts without straying off topic  .

Well, just to give an impression of how impermeable this thread has become, I am a closet physicist and I have absolutely NO idea what is going on here...is it me or do massive arguments always occur between Schem and an Emperor?    




50 trillion pass through the entire human body every second, so I think you may be missing a couple of zeroes, but I'm not one to nitpick   



Despite the words "Communist" and "Nazi" in that sentence, there is nothing wrong with being a Grammatical whore, even if it means correcting your friends grammar during those heavy discussions, stopping yourself mid school play to point out that it is in fact "whom", or secretly cringing at the grammatical errors in your Uncle's wedding vows...not that any of this has happened to me...ahem...

Oh and personally Xavior, while I see where you're coming from, I think you're losing, don't worry though, there will doubtlessly be a next time.

tsk tsk, I said square inch.

Next time?!?

Please dont encourage him, I still have Schem to deal with and even though hes been behaving well lately.

I cant have the peace disturbed.

All thought it would be nice for something less boring.

As for losing, I was just "cramming for test". Didn't have time to go all Heinlein, Peter Hamilton and Asimov here.(They are all Sci-Fi writers who either deal with fiction but plausible future technology in one form or another)

In the Wikipedia: Solar Flare it didn't specific what kind of biological damage can result from being hit by Solar Flare because we never had it happen before. Thus are you willing to stake your life over it?

Are you saying Death Moon and a "jungle" Moon in essentially the same thing? That may make sense to you however for me that like saying orange should be eat like a ribcage meat.

Look up my sentence did you see the word empirical evidence? No I didn't use the word "facts" if you look closer you wouldn't miss "assume". I don't have to assume that you already know the definition.

I already mention that ZPM was a fiction with "assuming that you already know that it's fiction indirectly" in the previous sentence.

Wikipedia: Schwarzschild Radius "a general acceptance of the possibility of a black hole did not occur until after World War II." I am not dismissing anything, because I was describe people belief of the black hole "before WWII". It is somewhat insulting that you think people pre-victoria understood and believe in black hole.

I didn't knew any physicist could be a hot smoking Italian Bachelor. -End Sarcasm
Ok let me clear up your confuse in this matter for once for all. Definition Weight: Physics. the force that gravitation exerts upon a body, equal to the mass of the body times the local acceleration of gravity: commonly taken, in a region of constant gravitational acceleration, as a measure of mass.
Definition Mass: Physics. the quantity of matter as determined from its weight or from Newton's second law of motion.
Definition Relativistic Mass: –noun Physics.
the mass of a body in motion relative to the observer: it is equal to the rest mass multiplied by a factor that is greater than 1 and that increases as the magnitude of the velocity increases.
Sorry but the official dictionary.com say, You are using relativistic mass as mass when I see mass as Weight/Mass both because they are DIRECTLY relative. Sorry if you thought weight was relativistic mass.

I never said it had to be HIGH pressure, and beside we already have high pressure cooker better know as combustion and gas turbine. But that beside the point which is One mole of neutronium are easily held together while trillion of trillion on other hand has higher pressure requirement. I think that where you lost me in term of measurable because mole if you remember is a "conservative" estimate of 6.022x10 to the 23 power(that is 23 zero after the digit 6). Clearly 2 or 3 mole of this stuff is easily usable and since you only need few gram per sq inch which isn't a very high demanding requirement compare to what you are describing for trillion of trillion mole.

I was saying that it isn't easy to form multi-carbon bond back then. Neutronium is difficult, and how easy it will be in the future is anybody guess. I wasn't compare nuclear physic and chemical here.

Wikipedia Theory:In science, a theory is a mathematical description, a logical explanation, a verified hypothesis, or a proven model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation.

In other word not proved directly is for most time enough to predicate certain possible of the future however whichever come true is anybody guess.

The key word is elementary that has my stomach all twist up at the moment so proceed to this wikipedia WWW Link and point out which one you are using.

Did you even brother to read those articles: Free neutron, Dineutron Tetraneutron? Clearly you didn't and didn't get me start on this phrase " * There is no universally agreed-upon definition for the term "neutronium".
* There is considerable uncertainty over the composition of the material in the cores of neutron stars (it could be neutron-degenerate matter, strange matter, quark matter, or a variant or combination of the above).
". Notice the "universally agreed-upon" which make it not completely fiction at all. Just also look up neutron-degenerate matter and 2 other article of REAL neutron.

If just 3 can be stable then they can be "arrangement up" to not be together on the picometer scale.

"If a mole of pig can fly then I will be a slave of your."-End Sarcasm
I was calculating weight of pure neutron in mole not considering other factors. I was converting weight(of .0014 which is different between proton and neutron weight then add one afterward to make up for the "missing" reference mass which is the part that was subtracted) from pm to m using mole NOT one vs one.

I never said we have to "see it" for it to be working and beside I guess you haven't heard that scientist already are arranging atom into characters of the china language and I will try find proof or upload picture from my book(by next post I don't have time to stroke your ego you should know that by now ).

I am not dismissing the theory rather NOT taking the time to read them. Where did I said I would dismiss them?

I count seven idea. I wonder where the other "B" come from oh wait THAT the bad luck number gasp everyone RUN. He is the killer!-End Sarcasm

Two idea as in that you can describe in one sentence by itself.

I will try to over look the part where you used insulting English. And get to the point here which is that intelligent design was popular because it was the only "theory" back then. As for today, I am saying it is everybody choice to follow it or not. Whatever they choice has no consequence to me which was my point.

Have you even tired flying that bag of rock compare to the weight of people?-End Sarcasm
The point is you seem to show a lack of knowledge of how U-2 was quickly replaced.(You may object to this but it is relative in the sense that it was planned year before U-2 was even flown) In other word before the airplane leave the hanger and design board, They already planned an airplane that would obsoletes it. Be careful because if you try to insult skunkwork you also insult NASA and DARPA and bog know who else they work with both past/present.

Did you even brother to read that part about x-ray being stronger and thus harder than the rest of "s***".

My point was we can deal with steady (body can repair DNA don't ask me how because that is whole another cap of worm)better than burst in form of Hiroshima-style bomb.

Guess you haven't heard of the idea of code words. Enough said.

Proof of your bad grammar? Hence the bad grammar because you didn't explain whose English that is bad. That all proof I need to say "You, Sir are a monkey".

I never said neutrino was a neutron because I can spell both and understand both. BTW I never spoke anything about physic of neutrino afaik. The experimental ZNO did result in detecting neutrino AND came to a conclude that neutrino do indeed has mass that is little(smaller than anything according to www.pbs.org:ZNO).

Who said sound was Electric Magnetic(don't use abridge for EM other than EM please)? I said a cochlear implant that CONVERT sound into electric signal which isn't EM. Why do you think I SAID look it up gee. I said the signal CAUSING pain is electric signal not pain. Sound IS vibration in the air. For proof look up Longitudinal Wave under Wikipedia and they have this neat animation picture of sound as Longitudinal Wave should explain itself.

Whose witty? Me or you? If you then show proof of your "witty".-End Sarcasm

I do listen to empirical evidence of evolution of man from monkey by reading what you are saying Ninja. You bring up my sanity as empirical evidence therefore bring up your sanity would eventually happen. I like the proverb "Don't throw an arrow that can be turn against you".

As for the reason behind delay was "cramming time for test". Don't ask for further detail cause I will just "roll eyes".

I know, but the amount of square inches on the body is nowhere near enough to multiply 30,000 into 50,000,000,000,000.

I agree Mighty Mongoose on relative to the square inch convert because you certainly would to have about trillions of square inch.(yes it is OVER trillion because I did the math) That would imply you have a "Fat Greek" body don't you?

hey, I said i was missing a zero.
how many square inches are there in the body anyhow? then we can find the answer.

I'd stake my life on the fact...
that you would be torn to pieces by the speeds of the gasses, and charred to dust by the heat. not much debate there.

xavier, are you halucinating again? when did I say anything close to this?

yay! you started noting your sources!

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when did I say that?

I hope you understand it then. your argument will sound less like nails on a chalkboard, I'm so excited!

um...
first of all, this was never a history class. we never talked about "back then".
and to note, its still difficult to make crystals, it requires inordinate amounts of energy.

no, no its not "anyones guess", its a guess that specifically scientists are good at, and they already say its rediculously hard.
lets put it this way; our sun, a mass of 1 AMU is not capable of producing neutron masses. there is no way to feasibly counter the degeneracy pressure of electrons under ANY circumstances, unless you find some way to channel energy from another universe.
second of all, neutronium is a fictional word. say a neutron mass from now on, it sounds less silly.

if its going to become feasible for engineering purposes, a one in a million chance isnt nearly good enough.
and stop using "its anyone's guess", its not, its the scientists' guesses, not yours or mine.

and another reason why I dont think you speak english. I'm using "elementary" in one context; basic.

oh, you're overflowing with the knowledge of the topic, seeing as how your not bothering to look it up.
and use quotes if you please, its hard to tell what you're talking about.
although you're doing better at dicing up your paragraphs into ideas. 'grats.

it also says that its the material "like neutron degenerate material"
i.e. still not what you're talking about. regardless this is still a fictional word, just because pop culture has used it doesnt mean that it holds scientific context.

hell, you may feel that way, but I think its a bunk religious idea shoved into science in an effort to bring back the good ol' dark ages.
it has no serious scientific support, its crap-in-a-roll.
that has nothing to do with whether or not I believe god exists, but I dont believe that he works by toying with our DNA physically. thats male cow excrements.

oh, god forbid I insult DARPA, military flatheads interested in such fictional weapons as nuclear handgrenades...
and besides, this has nothing to do with skunkwork, whats important is that the ship you're talking about will be completely inefficient.

I said I missed a few zeros, and how exactly does this help you. it just proves how rediculously wrong your point was...

they are high energy, but their inability to penetrate bone attests to their difficulty to be stopped.
regardless, the point stands. just because its easier to stop another particle doesnt mean it wont be any easier to mount the protection against that particle onto your ship. if you had this all figured out, would NASA be so damn worried about it?

first of all, I know how. there are countless different devices the body uses to fix genomic errors.
but guess what? there are still people who have cancer on this earth. so that in alone makes your point bunk; our bodies are not good enough at blocking radiation to keep ourselves from being mutated into malignant tumors, that will only get thousands of times worse in space where the exposure is sustained and elevated.


this after highlighting my point about how neutrons would not work for shielding, I assumed you meant neutrons in saying protons, seeing as your english is impaired.

wohoo... known that for a while.

perception PERCEPTION of sound is transmitted electromagnetically. stay up with the conversation will you?

you sound like a kid who is just out of science class and ready to flex his superior science-vocab muscles!
I know all this, stop diluting your point with 2nd grade science info.

you know, you arent great at following your own advice...

then how come you seem to be convinced that our bodies are ready, willing and able to adapt to space? thats lunacy by Darwinian logic.

Let me do bit of calculation here. Average height of a human is six ft and about one ft six inch wide. As for length let assume about one feet. So the total volume here won't be accurate for a real body however it will be somewhat over estimate. Because I am calculating a box which surface area come to (72*18*2+72*12*2+18*12*2=)4752 sq inch. Just remember this is actually bigger than the body. 50,000,000,000,000/4752=10,521,885,520 Which come nowhere near your 30,000 because you are missing about hundred thousand digit here. Wow a human that has dimension of hundred thousand smaller might have the accurate value meanwhile we have 1.052*10 per sq inch. Next time don't even use math in your head.

As for the physical I wasn't focusing on speed and etc... Because that is whole another can of Pandora's post.

I didn't said you said it. But rather implying it from how you said it.

That post I was too tired to format the source for each lines.

Again you imply it.

Was your comment supposed to sound sarcasm? Am I missing something? BTW My definition of weight/mass hasn't changed. From what I read you used mass which is not relativistic mass also known as inertia. Whenever I used inertia it is just inertia which has no connection with mass. I don't understand why you keep thinking that.

Where did crystal come in? Crystal isn't alway make of carbon FYI. I was talking about the kind of carbon that is used to form plastic. They had no plastic "pre-wwII". Crystal has been available to even the cavaman before the first community formed.

We don't even know if our sun has/hasn't neutronium. You are speculation about information about material science that we as scientist community have little/no information on. Neutron mass is measure of how much it is weight which is "constant" number which has no connection to stat of matter that has degenerate pressure which is the formal name. That like saying hydrogen should be called protonium from now on because it hold only proton. I will say degenerate matter from now on just to move on.

Not to be a nitpick on you but here goes. Scientist by definition is someone who use scientific method to do research. By that is basically anyone granted. But most true scientist has a diploma in a field that they do work in. I don't consider myself a scientist in an field however I am working on diploma name Computer Science which require me to take 4 course in chemistry I and II, Calculus I and II. Which isn't the full list but there is no course for scientist. Which come to my point anyone having a diploma with extensive knowledge of chemistry and math/calculus. Which make me a scientist because I can work the scientist method. I maybe won't become a researcher anytime soon doesn't meant I can't do research. I also should notice here that there is no different between engineers and scientist. I can be basically either because Computer Science is an engineer degree. (Source:Wikipedia-Scientist)

I assume by AMU you meant them flathead AMU Link-End Sarcasm

Clearly you missed my joke that while you are using elementary. I was poking joke because I just feel like a here was proper. Apparently you missed the comedy train to comedy universe.

How can I overflow logic with one sentence?-End Sarcasm To the point again you seem to miss the point of me saying "I treat them all as theory until proved otherwise". I don't know how it can get any simpler than "innocent until proved otherwise".

If you notice that when I first mention neutronium-"degenerate matter", I said that sun has it. I never said it was "real matter" at all.

I didn't know engineer deal with random number. Gasp Someone call quantum buster right NOW!-End Sarcasm Engineer afiak don't deal with random number. They use scientific knowledge, creativity, and technology.(Source:Wikipedia-Engineer) I don't see how they use random anywhere/anywhat/anywho/anyit/anytime/anyhow/anyetc... Although I remember a fiction book dealing with computer's random number(random number still exist for people whereas for computer they don't). It is bit difficult to explain how computer deal with it because book don't explain it. But I know that it is unlikely you meant this specific book. (This book is "Number Of The Beast" by Robert Heinlein just for your curiously)

FYI DARPA doesn't deal with fiction technology. For example over last four decades has see the invent of technologies.(List of DARPA sponsored technology:Vela hotel, saturn(the rocket launch platform to orbit),M-16 rifle, Ground Surveillance Radar, ATAMCIS, Arpanet, JSTARS, Stealth Fighter, Sea Shadow(an boat that use stealth think "James Bond:Tomorrow Never Dies-Stealth boat yes it was real"), GPS, Taurus Launch Vehicles, Uncooled IR, BAT, Predator, Global Hawk, JSF engine, MEMS, Mobile Robot, J-UCAS, Future unknown Discovery yet to be make. Don't make me explain how each technology is real enough on it own to make your head hurt. Source:DARPA Official report)

Look for my "hundred thousand" above comment.

"Wonder where he get his info"-enough said.

My point about repairing DNA is that we don't know the real limit humans body can take not that they can ignore DNA damage.

I didn't mean proton. Where you get that? I never confuse proton with neutron thus I only can assume it is you putting words in my mouth again.

Was tired didn't see you said that. If you notice the posting it was middle of the night assume you adjust from your time zone to me(Texas time zone not counting El Paso because they are one hour behind the rest of state).

You are not following my advice either from what I can see. You are pick up everything that I didn't throw/said thus your statement mean nothing to me.

I never said our body are "ready" for zero-gravity. You assume our body has a mind of it again. Stop assuming an altitude of assign intelligence/sentient to things that don't have any amount of it. I see our body as naturally inhabiting one gravity and thus can adjust for lower/higher. We can already remedy zero-gravity by Centrifugal Gravity(rotating section) up to fraction below one. Darwinian Logic stat that thing do change doesn't meant I assume the logic to what I said. What I am saying is "body/DNA" can change/adjust to space condition but doesn't necessary meant for good or bad. How you miss that part again and repeatedly, escape my logic at this time. Thus you are a uncomputable error and must be convert to bitek waste.

As for bitek, simplest way to explain is BI(ological)TEK(chnology with ch convert to k because they sound same). See why it is spell that way now? Apparently from DARPA website link Bitek may be closer to reality than before. Of course I knew that but just included for extra interest. BTW the only non-fiction nuclear weapon I have heard of that isn't used is the following:Artillery Shell, mines, Blue Peacock(don't ask), depth charges, torpedoes, mortar, Nike Hercules, anti-ballistic missile, suitcase bomb, and Air-Genie two. But none hand grenades which isn't anywhere on list.

I give up...

he is hopeless...

and wtf is all this...
speaking to himself again. I think.

Probably.

I guess you both miss the "yous" I put in the sentences. I don't have to be hopeless but I can be hopeless and full of hope.

"As for physical..." Talking about ion storm.

"I didn't said you..." Referring to one of your post earlier. Second one is another different post. If you can't figure out ones then I will try point out which post.

Just saying why I didn't format that post. Enough said.

Schem, I think he is suffering from multipersonality disorcer and he thinks his other personalities are us.

How... interesting.

I concur TGE that he is suffering from a minor form of Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I love that part about ME PECULIAR. (look up the link to see the joke)

no no no, xavier he was using an artful form of the english language (which 99% of english speakers do) in which he refers to the wrong subject (me) when he means to indicate that his statement is directed as of conversation towards me.

i.e. he is saying you are the one with the mulipersonalities. (unless emp is really that literately (?) correct)

will you stop putting in useless links... I refer back to the point where I said it makes you sound like an energetic 2nd grader.

and do tell, mr. psychologist, why am I schizotypal? I'm not the one who believes (contrary to obvious fact) that we can make stable 'neutronium'.

That the first I heard of the "artful" type of English. Sigh, I wasn't speaking to TGE when I said you. Didn't you read that part where I am cramming in for final at college? At least I am not delusion about benefit we get from the government Mr Wrong. One reason I think you are Schizotypal because one time in another forum you went all splitter. Don't meant I am a psychologist in disguise. If you read more careful you will notice that I was joking that you "act" like you had Schizotypal but didn't meant you had it. You didn't capital anythings in your paragraph which make it difficult if not impossible to tell when a sentence end. Ironic, not capital anything make you sound more like 2nd grader than I will ever hope to attain.

Fine fine fine,

I will put this controversy to rest.

Schem(pause) I think he has multipersonality disorder and his other personalities seem to be us.



Ouch, what a nightmare of grammar. Well, if I was cramming for a final I wouldnt spend time on some forum arguing about whether or not I was sane of mind.



Ouch more bad grammar, ever heard of ussing the letter A in between words, it really helps a sentance flow.

And usually you dont start sentances with words like Dont. And if your start with if dont forget a comma.

And really why do you think he is...um... Schizotypal? Please, explain.