Hillary: Universal Health Care for Everyone!

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Yesterday on ABC's Good Morning America Hillary Clinton attended a staged town hall meeting filled with selected members, and obvious supporters. During her "meeting" Hillary pledged the following:

"We're going to have universal health care when I'm president - there's no doubt about that. We're going to get it done," the New York senator and front-runner for the 2008 nomination said.

Of course Hillary was largely unchallenged by the host Robin Miller, and was never asked any tough questions that Hillary might have to actually answer like how she intends to pay for all this? But this is what the 2008 Presidential election will look like for democrats......a clean pass from the media.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Didn't we hear this 15 years ago?  And they had a Democrat Congress at that time as well.

You are right, fluff questions from the peanut gallery.

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, it's HillaryCare II.


Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hillary Clinton attended a staged town hall meeting

where is any evidence of this?

But this is what the 2008 Presidential election will look like for democrats......a clean pass from the media.

1 person doesn't ask the questions you wanted asked to 1 other person and that is your assessment of the entire media's treatment of everyone from the democratic party on everything? Nonsense!

looks like you are looking for a free pass.

and by the way ...."universal" health care for "everyone" ??? department of redundancy department? lol
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do think the there is a healthcare crisis in our country. I don't think that universal healthcare is the answer. I really don't think that the entire country should have to go through what we have to as military dependents. Because we are Tricare Prime Remote we do not go to a military treatment facility any more and I could not believe what a huge difference there is in the quality of care. It's like the doctor actually gives a crap about my kids. We did have a doctor in family practice in Jacksonville that was great but other than that it was less than satisfactory and we very rarely even go to see a doctor and we very rarely saw the same person more than once. I do believe the quality of care will suffer. You would think all the problems with the VA system would show that a huge government bureauacracy is not the way to improve healthcare in our country.

As for Hiliary, it's if you become president not when. Even if she wants to git 'er done it doesn't mean it will happen. OMG, I sound like a Republican. What's happening to me?
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think that universal healthcare is the answer. I really don't think that the entire country should have to go through what we have to as military dependents


we are under the federal employee coverage and it rocks. loads of choice, lower cost than most employers hit you for. i wish everyone could have what i married into. i have never had an employer that has ever come close to providing what the fed does for less money.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
where is any evidence of this?


Her audience was hand-picked and the person who initiated the "health care" issue was someone who worked on HillaryCare I.


1 person doesn't ask the questions you wanted asked to 1 other person and that is your assessment of the entire media's treatment of everyone from the democratic party on everything? Nonsense!


LOL.  Coming from someone who complains about Fox News.

Do you seriously think democrats and repbulicans will get equal coverage from the general media for this upcoming election?  The fact is the "host" hardly asked any questions and Hillary gave what amounted to a campaign speech for most of her air time.  A canidate remarks that they will institute a universal healthcare system and don't you think they should at least question them on it?


Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
we are under the federal employee coverage and it rocks.


That's because it does have LOADS of choices. Once National Health Care goes through, your choices become 1. Do it or go to jail.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Her audience was hand-picked and the person who initiated the "health care" issue was someone who worked on HillaryCare I.


i asked for evvidence, not another accusation.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's because it does have LOADS of choices. Once National Health Care goes through, your choices become 1. Do it or go to jail.


fact or opinion?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's because it does have LOADS of choices. Once National Health Care goes through, your choices become 1. Do it or go to jail.


fact or opinion?


Well, since we do not have universal health care, then everyone is just espousing opinions, right? However, we do have models to look at to see what form it will take. Canada? England?

I can see congress buying their way out of it, and the Federal Government workers demanding to be exempt from it. They both know a rotten egg when they see it.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Steve Eckstat: Sen. Clinton, I was part of your 1993 Health Care Task Force. Obviously we weren't very successful at that time, so as president would you try to create a plan for universal health coverage again?



Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
because this guy was in the audience, that means the audience was "hand picked?" that is ridiculous. it would only be a legit audience if it was only filled with people who hate her?

i would expect there to be some supporters in the audience, that doen't mean the audience was hand picked. geeez.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

Clinton: My goal is to have a health care system that provides quality, affordable care to every American. On way to achieve this goal is to have a national health care system where there is only one source of care and the government runs it.

That is what they have in Canada, and it is called a single-payer system. Another way to achieve universal coverage is to build on the employer-based system.




Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Clinton: My goal is to have a health care system that provides quality, affordable care to every American. On way to achieve this goal is to have a national health care system where there is only one source of care and the government runs it.


where is this quote from?

this is what she said on ABC...

Clinton: ...We can build on the existing employer system, which is what I proposed doing back in ‘93 and ‘94. It’s what Senator Edwards has proposed doing. It’s what many people think is the most practical thing to do because a lot of people are satisfied with their health care, they just don't like the cost. And they think we could do better to making sure the quality was uniformly high across our country. The other big way of doing it, which a few of the other candidates in the Democratic primary are advocating is to move towards a system that would have Medicare for everybody, you know, kind of a single payer system, where we would try to get the cost down because you wouldn’t have all the overhead and administrative cost that go with the private insurance market. You know, I think we have to have a uniquely American solution to health care, because we're different kind of country than anybody else. I mean, we are bigger, and more diverse and people like their choice and their idea they want to know who their doctor is and what hospital they can go to. So, I think we will move towards requiring employers to participate, the way Massachusetts does, or the way California is considering, and if you don't insure your employees, then you're going to have to pay some kind of a per employee amount into a fund, so that everybody can be given insurance. But we're also going to make it possible for us to lower cost. And the reason I haven't sent out a plan and said, ‘Well here's exactly what I think we should do,’ is because during this campaign I want the ideas that people have. I want to hear from you who have different perspectives about what you think will work.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
where is this quote from?


It's from questions that were not broadcasted.


Clinton: Well, I want to make clear that there is a difference between having a health-care system that provides quality affordable health care to every American and having a national health system where there's only one source of care.

Clinton: My goal is to have a health care system that provides quality, affordable care to every American. On way to achieve this goal is to have a national health care system where there is only one source of care and the government runs it.


Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

The last thing that most U.S. citizens should want is their government near their health care.  We'll get health care that is far worse than we have now, in hospitals that make the worst of the current VA hospitals look like the best hospitals in the world.

And even worse still would be having Hillary managing it all for us.

Thanks but no thanks.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
we are under the federal employee coverage and it rocks. loads of choice, lower cost than most employers hit you for. i wish everyone could have what i married into. i have never had an employer that has ever come close to providing what the fed does for less money.


Clinton: I believe that one of the ways we can get health care for everyone is to open up the federal plan that's available to members of Congress … to everybody. That would be one way that we could say to you that you have the same right as anybody in Congress
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's because it does have LOADS of choices. Once National Health Care goes through, your choices become 1. Do it or go to jail.


Tiffany Sumuel, via e-mail: One of the most common arguments against nationalized health care is that the quality of care and research will be negatively impacted. If health care is nationalized, what will be done to ensure and/or improve the quality of care?



Clinton: Well, I want to make clear that there is a difference between having a health-care system that provides quality affordable health care to every American and having a national health system where there's only one source of care.

There's a lot of misinformation and, frankly, a lot of scare tactics about what universal health care would mean. … That's why I started by saying that we have to reduce costs and improve quality no matter what we do.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
There's a lot of misinformation and, frankly, a lot of scare tactics about what universal health care would mean


No, it's not "scare tactics" to say it is the start of a totalitarian regime. Why? Because universal health care means everyone is covered. The ONLY way to cause that to happen would be to make it ILLEGAL for people to refuse coverage. Otherwise it will never be universal. And making it illegal means making consequences for disobedience, which is the absolute antithesis of liberty. That's not scare tactics, that's FACT.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
The ONLY way to cause that to happen would be to make it ILLEGAL for people to refuse coverage


not necessarily. that's a pretty scrict and self serving interpretatioon, imho. when people talk about universal health care in my mind they talk about it being available to everyone. i'm sure some people, esp. at the top end of the scale, would prefer to opt out in favor of a more "executive plan." i don't see anyone arresting trump because he won't get the government plan.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's why I started by saying that we have to reduce costs and improve quality no matter what we do.


Name one example of the government ever accomplishing that. As I said earlier, right now, all we have is opinions. But opinions based upon historical and present day precedent. So if you can name one instance where that occurred, you may have an argument. Otherwise it is simply a pipe dream and an empty promise on the part of another lying politician (both well represented in historical fact).
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
i don't see anyone arresting trump because he won't get the government plan.


You have not read the Mass. plan I take it.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
what they do in mass. is their plan. go argue with mitt about that. you and dog are contending that hillary is endorsing a one payer system, which she clearly is not. i am still waiting on some verification on her quotes that he put up there as you artfully try to change the subject and tangent off int o something ya might "get me" on...puhleeeassseee...get a new tactic.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
what they do in mass. is their plan. go argue with mitt about that. you and dog are contending that hillary is endorsing a one payer system, which she clearly is not. i am still waiting on some verification on her quotes that he put up there as you artfully try to change the subject and tangent off int o something ya might "get me" on...puhleeeassseee...get a new tactic.


Actually it is to the point and relevant to the response in 22, which you so obviously want to ignore. Again, show me. Show me where I am wrong. Then you can say I am trying to change the subject. I am not, however, you are trying to deny reality.