The attacks of the Taliban in Afghanistan. That war goes south every day. You also have al Qaeda operating training camps in Pakistan on the border with Afghanistan. We NEVER finished the job in that country and took the forces needed to deal with Afghanistan and the elements that caused 9/11 to Iraq that was no danger and no part of 9/11.

The Taliban did not attack us so by your reasoning we should not be bothering them. The people that attacked us were Al Qaeda, the same Al Qaeda that had set up training camps in Iraq which caused us to go to war with Iraq. Pakistan is an ally of the US and has helped us in this war on terror. The area Al Qaeda is in now is a no mans land, there is no government there and getting in and out of the area is hard to do.



Gee, maybe that is why we have not left the country yet. Maybe that is why the President wants to put more troops there to ensure that the enemy does not regain a foothold in the area.

Paladin77

No dummy they allowed al Qaeda to train and plan the 9/11 attacks. Are you DUMB or just so blind you refuse to look at the truth! We never had the number of troops in Afghanistan to end the al Qaeda and Theban operations. We need to remove our combat forces from Iraq and send then to Afghanistan and complete that war where 9/11 was planned!

This is what I mean by you distort the truth. President Bush told the Taliban to hand over Al Qaeda or we would go in and get them. AQ used that “diplomatic” effort to avoid war to run and hide. No body cared about the Taliban until they refused to hand over the terrorist. For years the world knew how bad the people of the Taliban were within their nation and no one cared or did anything about it. They lost the right to rule that nation when they pissed us off.
Now you want us to include the Taliban with the terrorist to help your cause. LOL




Actually we must go wherever AQ is in order to keep them off balance so they can’t attack the US again. You want to be sidetracked on issues that don’t matter in order to make your feeble point. The point is we were attacked by AQ and wherever they are is where we need to be. That includes Iraq. It is the reason Iran has not publicly joined with AQ because our president said if anyone aids the terrorist will be treated as if they are the terrorist.

paladin77

Then WHY did Bush attack Iraq where there was no al Qaeda activity or training camps before we invaded? Today there are some al Qaeda in Iraq because we deposed Saddam and did not have the manpower required to prevent them from coming across the Iraq borders and setting up operations.


I can not imagine how little you understand about what is taking place in this world!

If things are going so well in Afghanistan, WHY is Bush asking for more troops from NATO?

So the three training camps one of which you admit was in the north of Iraq supposedly without the knowledge of your hero Saddam insane, was there before we invaded and was one of the main reasons for the invasion. So either you lied months ago or you are lying now. Which is it?



Sure lets ignore the training camps and the people in them. Yes, AQ people crossed the border to recover from wounds received in Afghanistan from our forces.



I can see you are good at ignoring the truth, facts, and logic.



Because spring time is coming and the war is going to start up again from the winter vacation that the war takes every year. You would know that if you bothered to study how the war is being fought.

Paladin77

YOU ARE FULL OF BS Just like BUSH!

Paladin77

YOU ARE FULL OF BS Just like BUSH!

Can you support this statement or are you still talking through your hat?

YOU ARE FULL OF BS Just like BUSH! Can you support this statement or are you still talking through your hat?

Naw, he's just talking out of his "other" end.

Then WHY did Bush attack Iraq where there was no al Qaeda activity or training camps before we invaded? So the three training camps one of which you admit was in the north of Iraq supposedly without the knowledge of your hero Saddam insane, was there before we invaded and was one of the main reasons for the invasion. So either you lied months ago or you are lying now. Which is it?

Hey col just an fyi....this is an "undisputed" fact! So now "who's" full of BS?

Well now that you pointed this out, he will run with his tail between his legs and start another article saying the same thing and ignoring everything discussed here.

drmiler

There are training camps of al Qaeda in Pakistan. Should we invade Pakistan and depose their leader?

The fact remains that Saddam was no danger to the U.S. in 2002-2003 and we invaded a country without just cause!

We had plenty of reasons, most of which democrats agreed with.  According to your standards Afghanistan was not a threat either, and we shouldn't have disposed of the Taliban.

I really don't know why you bother col.  Bush will not be impeached, is it just some obsession you cannot handle?

There are training camps of al Qaeda in Pakistan. Should we invade Pakistan and depose their leader?

As usual you are FULL of sh*t! Go read and learn from ABC no less!

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By KIRIT M. RADIA ABC News WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2007— The Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Mahmud Ali Durrani, today vehemently denied recent reports that a resurgent Al Qaeda is operating terror training camps with renewed vigor in the rugged and lawless mountains of Northern Pakistan, along the border with Afghanistan. "Overall, what has been projected in the last two to three days is a gross exaggeration that there are camps sitting in Pakistan," Durrani said in a one-on-one interview with ABC News. "There may be a camp or two, but when we find them, in joint operations with the U.S., we take them out," he added, citing two cases in which Pakistani forces raided camps suspected of being terror training facilities.

Or this:

Attack occurs in South Waziristan as SecDef Gates visits Afghanistan; a pattern of Pakistani behavior Early this morning, the Pakistani military struck at an al-Qaeda and Taliban camp in the Zamazola region of South Waziristan. “The attack was launched at 6:55am this morning by army gunship helicopters against the hideouts of militants in Salamat Keley of Zamazola area,” said Major General Shaukat Sultan, the spokesman for the Pakistani military. "The foreign militants were imparting training to the local youth of terrorism and suicide attacks." There were five buildings within the compound, and three were targeted and destroyed by 5 to 7 attack helicopters. The number of killed in the attack is still unknown. The Pakistani army claimed 25-30 "miscreants" were killed, while local agency officials claim 8-10 were killed, including civilians. Maj Gen Sultan said troops are on the ground pulling bodies from the wreckage. If the past is any indicator, the U.S. hunter killer teams of Task Force 145 were involved in the strikes. The attack on the training camp occurred within hours of U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates' meeting with Afghan officials and U.S. military leaders. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has been on the defensive of late after the U.S. and Afghan President Hamid Karzai have said western Pakistan is a Taliban and al-Qaeda safe haven.

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Or this from CBS:

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Or this from CNN:

Pakistan denies al Qaeda resurgence report POSTED: 0236 GMT (1036 HKT), February 19, 2007 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan has denied published reports that indicated al Qaeda is active and getting stronger in its tribal North Waziristan region along the country's border with Afghanistan. Pakistani Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durani told CNN the reports -- initially from the New York Times -- are "ridiculous." "We have deployed more than 80,000 troops in that area, and we are controlling that belt," Durani said. "And whenever we get any Taliban or al Qaeda activity report, we always go in with full force and destroy those camps. We ourselves are victims of these terrorist activities and cannot allow them to get stronger." Durani also said that it is "ridiculous to point fingers without any reason." "If someone has any information, they should have passed that on to us," he said.

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So once "AGAIN" you're "proven" wrong! Feel like the fool that you are yet?
Do you read even 1/8th of the news that's available? Or do you need more reading classes?

Nope, the leader of that country has helped us as best he could and has allowed us to use our troops in his country to hunt them down. For a col in the Army you sure don't keep up on current affairs.



The fact remains that he had AQ training camps in his country and according to US policy that was more than enough to invade his country. Just because you fixated on nukes does not mean that the reasons to go to war were invalid.

Paladin 77

YOU ARE SO FULL OF BS it comes out of your ears!

Every day the situation shows that this is a growing Civil War and that we are not able to restrain the violence. 8 helicopters lost in 2 months, thousands of dead and the violence is spreading to other cities as we increase the pressure in Baghdad. The British pull out and AWOL George sends in more American Troops into a Civil War. IMPEACH BUSH NOW! Draft Dogger Dick claims that Iraq is a “Great Success”. One thing Cheney does for Bush is to have some one that is even WORSE then Bush!

This article is about Afghanistan not Iraq but you lost that argument so you change topics in order to sound like you might win. And since you don’t do much research allow me to inform you that the British are sending in troops to Afghanistan as well as other countries. So in Iraq it is getting quiet enough to send some troops home from the south of the country and in Afghanistan even the brits are coming to help. Wow are you dumb.

Paladin77

I lost nothing.


Afghanistan is going down hill. You should have looked at CNN today. Not only is al Qaeda regrouping in the south, but the poppy crop is a growing problem as well at al Qaeda training camps in Pakistan, U.S. Intelligence says there is no doubt that al Qaeda is growing in strength and that our invasion in Iraq has helped them recruit and to reorganize. Before our invasion of Iraq, al Qaeda was active in Afghanistan. Now they are operating in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and other countries in Africa. We are surely winning this war against the terrorists that caused 9/11. All we have done is improved our defense of the U.S. while increasing the number and locations from which our enemies can plan future attacks against us. WAY TO GO GEORGE! Add the Civil war George got us into in Baghdad and we are really doing well. We have placed our military into a NO WIN situation! To support our military we need to give them a new Commander-in-Chief. Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW!!!!!!!!

You know, Gene, it takes a huge leap of faith (as in off a very tall cliff) to assume that AQ would have just stopped recruiting & returned to the cricket pitch absent the war in Afghanistan & Iraq. This is why your arguments are so lame - no perspective, no big picture, no accounting for what would likely have happened had we stayed out of Afghanistan & Iraq. Nothing but seething hatred for one guy, completely blinding you; like staring into oncoming car lights at night, you see only George.

There was never a risk-free option. I deal with this every day - making decisions based on my assessment of the relative risks of two possible courses of action: doing something or not. Both choices entail risk; there is never a third option that avoids risk. To rail on as you do, as if we'd all be just comfy & cozy now and all the AQ zealots in the world would be devoting themselves to feeding the starving in Africa or something is beyond absurd. Sad, really, though I lost any sympathy for you long ago.

Yes I understand for you it is news that every spring since the British invasion and failed attempt at colonization they start a new offensive because they go into hiding for the winter and come out to fight during the warm months. Everyone seems to know this except you and CNN.

Daiwa

The objective of going into Afghanistan was to stop al Qaeda from operating and preparing future attacks like 9/11. We have not accomplished that objective and our military leaders in Afghanistan say to accomplish the mission they will need more troops. We have sought more troops from NATO with little success. We need to get out of the Civil War in Iraq and send the needed forces to complete the mission in Afghanistan!

Our mission in Iraq should be to eliminate al Qaeda in Iraq, secure the borders of Iraq, train Iraqi military and police, provide logistical support to the Iraqi Army and prevent the Civil War in Iraq from going into other countries. We should NOT continue fighting in the civil war between the various factions in Iraq. That fight is up to the Iraqi Army and police! It is up to the government to make the political accommodations that will end the cause of the sectarian fighting.

Please tell me what attacks has AQ made in the US since Sept 2001? Sounds like AQ has been stopped from future attacks. Thanks for pointing out the success in Afghanistan!

Paladin 77

According to Bush they have made several attempts to attack the U.S. since 9/11. We have improved our defense but the fact remains that al Qaeda is still planning and attempting those attacks. We have not destroyed their ability to plan attacks. We have improved our ability to thwart them. The problem is that we must be successful EVERY time. All they need to do is be successful one time to give us another 9/11.

That is not something you are going to do overnight, nor in a few years time.  Destroying al-quaeda will take decades at least and it will take resolve, something in which will go away if a democrat is elected President.




Your probelm is you don't recognize success.  Do you know how many al-quaeda we have killed or captured?  Do you know all the successes we have had in the war on terror?  I doubt you do, because you get your "news" from the dailykos and the NYT.

I have shown repeatedly the successes in Afghanistan and every single time you ignore the post.  Why is that col?  I seriously believe that you cannot handle any news that somehow doesn't blame Bush for something. 

Island Dog

OUR intelligence agencies have said the Iraq war has made us less safe BY CREATING MORE ENEMIES LIKE THE ONES THAT ATTACKED US ON 9/11. How is that making us safer?