Kinda funny having an argument with a person who doesn't even know his own country.

"And not just about Iraq. Global Warming, Evolution Theory, Abortion... All these topic, american people are mostly a stand-alone about these topics. You do not seem to live on the same reality than the rest of the world,"

While you're here (spouting off ignorant and extremely generalizing propoganda - do you even know what percentage of Americans approve, or disapprove, or fall somewhere in between, on the topics you listed above?), please don't forget our beloved inches, ounces, and Fahrenheit Degrees!

Strange. Mainly in the media here, people say because we care about the environnement, and since our climate is getting more fucked up every year, we see the beggining of the global warming, so we try to act



http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/02/06/qc-bellhelicopter20070206.html

I beg to differ, there is a witch hunt, and people lost their job to USA's paranoia



And strangely, it is a known fact that he is strongly linked to the petrol lobby in Canada. To add the point that most Canadian believe him wrong about this topic.



Hey, thank you, totally true!
You're about the last people in the world to use these system on an official basis..?



I somewhat know it, and that's why I find it staggering. The sheer percentage of people who actually beleive in some backward way of thinking in america makes me wonder about the neutrality of your educational and media system.

Come on, creationism? The only people who actually pressure courts in canada about that are religious lobby supported by some American's interest



You would have noticed that I said "quasi" before religious, if you took the time to actually read carefully. Meaning that your acts and beliefs seems to be based on dogmas, which have absolutely no bases at all. But questioning those bases is almost an heresy.



You are totally right. My bad, I'm sorry. I am so ashamed to live in a country that would actually forbid the KKK to even exist. You should be proud of that kind of freedom that have let rascist criminal live free and promote their ideas years after they have commited (or supported) murder.

Long Live America!
And May Everybody Else Die!



I think I know more of my country (of fact rather than choice) than you do about yours.

And I think I know more about your country than you do about mine

That's probably because we don't actually care about your country one way or the other. And somehow, judging by some of your ignorant statements in this thread, I suspect that you don't actually know nearly as much as you believe you do. You appear to be just another smug, self aggrandizing, self appointed liberal savior of the world out to educate all of us poorly misguided peons on the error of our thinking who simply can't quite grasp how some people can draw different conclusions from the same information.

Anyone who draws a differing conclusion must be stupid and you start throwing around phrases like "blind zeal", "And you have the right to vote?", "delusionnal (misspelled btw)", and at the same time whine about people throwing insults at you? The tone of your article did nothing but invite insult and then you choose to try and claim a higher level while at the same time hurling insults. And you people wonder why you're referred to as "loons".

I think it's adorable when someone tells the atheist that his beliefs are "dogmatic" because he shares some beliefs in common with Christians. One can only presume that the only way to be non-dogmatic is to share the beliefs of Cikomyr. 

Of course, I'm not sure what beliefs those are. I believe in evolution, I'm pro-choice, pro-civil unions for gays, I guess I'm not even sure what dogmatic beliefs I have in common with Christians actually.  I'm against killing? Favor charity. Think having children is a good idea for the human race? I guess I'm at a loss to know what views I have that are "quasi-Christian" and why said beliefs are bad or dogmatic.

Listening to a Canadian complain about how the US is dealing with world problems would be like me listening to my 6 year old son tell me how I should drive the car. 

Bwuhahahaah! That just demonstrates your own paranoia, not Americas! You are priceless. Keep on digging your grave.

*sigh*
This just remake my whole point.
Is there one goddamn piece of the world that you actually care, excepted your interests?



We are kinda tolerant about a lot of political speeches. The only form we do not accept are racism, anti-semitism (btw, I would like to know if there is a difference between rascism against jews or anti-semitism?), homophobia. Pretty much every other political speeches are accepted.



Strangely, I am part of Canada's most threatening group, The Separatism movement, and I haven't seen any arrests recently because of those kind of political views. They are kinda tolerant about people's political views over here.



Let me spell it out for you:



it's an american legislation that makes people outside U.S. to loose their job.



Actually, I doubt we get the same information. I doubt very much the neutrality of the information that reach American's people.

On the other side, I do know that there is absolutely no media, wherever in the world, that is actually neutral. That is why I make a point of ready as much as different sources available.

Do you regulary read papers from other countries? Just to have some outsider's point of view?

Nope. Why should we? It's human nature that people in general only care about their own interests, including those who pretend to care about other's interests. In reality, those people are still only feeding into their own interests and egos.





Ah, so you concede Draginol's point then that your country does indeed suppress free speech and will arrest you for saying the wrong thing even after you claimed it was a lie?



It may shock you to know that yes, many of us are quite well read and well informed and do indeed read press from many other nations. The part you seem to have trouble wrapping your head around is the fact that not everyone who reads the same information is going to draw the same conclusions or form the same opinions as yourself. As tough as it may be for you to accept, perfectly intelligent and informed people do form opinions that differ from your own. Get over it.

So you want someone that has a grudge against you to fix your brakes on your car? Get serious! Only a fool would let someone hostile to them work on a critical application. That is not a witch hunt! That is common sense!

Why is it that scientist claim that we go through cycles of warming and cooling about every 20k years. We started coming out of the last ice age 13k years ago which means we have been warming up for 13,000 years and will go into the cooling process in roughly 7,000 years. Exactly when the planet flips a switch and goes into an ice age again no one is sure of since modern man has not seen one cycle yet. This is accepted scientific fact. It was just a decade ago when a radical paleoentomologist that discovered the Atlantic conveyer system that is believed to cause ice ages. Until this nut came up with that theory it was believed that it was caused by and asteroid impact. This has been disproved now. Now he is a genius and widely accepted as the working theory. The key word is theory. It is all theory based on observations and won’t be proven until we see one complete cycle.

God, this thread is turning into a "I am Col gene, here me roar" thread. The similarities between the 2 is amazing, hardheaded, ignorant, repetitive, deaf, blind, etc. I wonder if Col gene is Canadian?

Or is Cykomir a crazy former military man?

No.

But luckily for the world, what's in our best interests has historically benefited the world (saving it from fascism, communism, etc.).  I'm sure there are fruits out there that think defeating Hitler was a bad idea. After all, there are fruits who think defeating Saddam was a bad idea. 

One can graph out the world-wide improvement in standard of living since 1789 to today and notice how the curve abruptly improves after 1789 as opposed to before. We don't care about the world but the world has certainly benefited from the United States more so than from any other individual country since 1789.

 

You have a special, magical version of the Internet that we don't?

You know, the Internet Americans invented that runs on computers American invented displayed on web browsers Americans invented running on operating systems Americans invented.

Canada, land of what? 1 TV station -- run by the government to boot lecturing Americans who have tons of very different sources of news available conveniently. Priceless.

It's like someone in China complaining about US human rights.

People in glass houses have always known where to throw their stones. It's a matter of practice and architecture. No one is more qualified to criticise than someone who's also at fault.

Let's explain the absurdity of the situation:

Someone who is born in Venezuela, but immigrated Canada when he was still a young man (let's hypotheticly say 3-4 years old). He is allowed double-citizenship. But he will loose his job because of said legislation.



As a fact, (and only ponctual fact), defeating Saddam was a great idea.

However, the whole process needed to achieve this goal made it quite a bad idea. You screwed up everything that could be screwed in this invasion, and you've let down your allies in Afghanistan. If you had commited half the troops in Afgh you commited in Iraq, Talibans wouldn't be a problem anymore.

If he was a true Canadian, then he would not have dual citizenship. I would question a person like that on many levels. He commits a crime, runs home to Chavez, and Canada cannot touch him. Right! That makes sense.

About as much as your 'witch hunt'.

.......

Consider the sponge thrown. You are just too stupid..

yhea, he came to canada when he was 3-4 years old, anticipating to become a professionnal mechanical when he will be 25-30 in order to work on American military helicopter and commit sabotage. All under Chavez's order. He, however, got his order BEFORE Chavez even created his actual political party...

My god, it's so simple!!! And Chavez is a sure devil to have planned it all 20 years in advance.

What about those who have Canadian/American citizenship, you would question that kind of person too?

If Canada was rattling its saber against the US? Hell yes! But you go get your brakes fixed by someone who has threatened you already. Just tell us where to send the flowers.

I guess I'm not seeing the "bad" part from the US's point of view.  Saddam is gone. If we had done what I supported -- install a puppet government and put our troops into a base out in the desert, the whole thing coudl have been done with only a few hundred US casualties. Even at 3,000 casualties when you count the occupation, it's still historically low cost.

I'm not sure which allies we "let down" in Afghanistan. Canada had what? A couple hundred troops there?

I don't see how the Taliban being active or inactive should matter to us.  Our goal was to prevent Al Queda from having a stable base of operations in Afghanistan. That has unquestionably been accomplished.  If the Taliban is running around in the hills shooting at things, that's a shame but falls into the category of "who cares".

This falls again into the "Why should we care" category.

I don't mean to sound cold and harsh but, I keep thinking the same things to your example: "So what?"

The person in your example could have given up his dual citizenship. He chose not to. That's the end of the story.

Your condemnations are based on having a completely differnet premise on how you look at the world than those you disagree with.

The problem is, only the people who actually do things get to set what their goals are.

If my goal is to remove a hostile dictator, then I decide whether it was successful or not based on whether the dictator is removed or not.  Some guy sitting on the sidelines complaining about the Iraqi's having a civil war is meaningless because it presumes that Iraqi's living in harmony was a genuine objective.  At best, it's a PR objective to make people feel warm and fuzzy. But that is it.

No one cares what Canada thinks because Canada doesn't do anything. That's the cold hard reality.

All values approximate but generally verifiable:

Canadian population............32,000,000
Canadian troops in Afghanistan.......2500

US Population.................301,000,000
US troops in Afghanistan...........21,000

So, the US didn't abandon Canada by deploying to Iraq. Conversely, Canada has about the same population-proportionate share of troops in Afghanistan, so she's pulling her weight there. I'm not defending either country, just annoyed by the country-bashing on both sides. Fine, I got it out.

There's actually 24,000 Americans in Afghanistan. But exactly - the US hasn't abandoned anyone.

As for population -- the world isn't graded on the curve.

If Luxemburg sends 10 troops to Afghanistan, is their contribution on par with the US simply because they have a much smaller population? Of course not.