Thank you, USA!

I would like to thank all the USA, for they inconditionnal support of the war in Iraq during 2003. It has lead to so many good things:

- WMD have been found and secured
- The Iraqi people can now enjoy a new era of freedom and peace
- Terrorism is as low as it ever was, the whole Middle-East region is enjoying a wonderful democratic/Western love revolution
- Saddam Hussein as been taken care of with all respect to international law and opinion, with dignity as it befits an "enlightened" nation
- Human Rights are more and more respected every day by the USA and their allies
- The Talibans are on the run in Afghanistan, and in no way they can win back anymore.
- Bin Ladin has been efficiently neutralized
- Israel is safer than ever
- Palestinians finally accepted Israel as their neighboors

Did I forgot something?
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You are Welcome!
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Having a bad day? Just needed to toss a little 'fek you'? That's about all you're doing, really; nothing new here, same old whine. Thank you, self-centered critics, for not giving a damn what happens until something blows up in YOUR neighborhood.
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Having a bad day? Just needed to toss a little 'fek you'? That's about all you're doing, really; nothing new here, same old whine. Thank you, self-centered critics, for not giving a damn what happens until something blows up in YOUR neighborhood.


Hey its all fun and games until someone gets hurt.
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This is one of those "if we do nothing we are bad people but if we do something we are bad people". I love it how every one of these people somehow act as if things like this can actually be avoided. That somehow they are willing to just site in a room and have a laugh while making friendships and getting along. I personally don't care about the opinion of people like this. They got nothing better to do than just site there and let the people around the world die and when someone tries to do something, they scream from their comfy chairs how we did not do anything right. Sure, it's easy to criticize when you do nothing at all. Even funnier, he does not have the balls to respond in his own article, pathetic.
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I wish I could thank your home country of Canada for something but I can't think of anything they've done recently.

But as for Iraq and the middle east:

1) Saddam is gone.

2) Don't care about Iraqis in the slightest.

3) Don't care about what Palestinians do.

In engineering, when evaluating a solution we look at the before and the after.

Before we went in we had an open enemy of the United States (Saddam Hussein) financing terrorism, shooting at our planes, and taking billions in oil for food and bribing the French.

After, Saddam is gone. No Oil for Food Program. Friendly regime in place (and I'd be satisfied with one that wasn't shooting at our planes or working actively against our interests).

I prefer Iraq in the state it is in than I do say France.  Iraq may be on the midst of a civil war or whatever but at least its government is friendly.  By contrast, the government we installed in France after World War II is openly hostile and has enough resources to be a pain in the butt worldwide.

So compared to our last regime change -- Viche France to whatever Xth Republic is in France, I'd say Iraq is an improvement.

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Having a bad day? Just needed to toss a little 'fek you'?


Actually, yhea. Not helping reading opinions about things like this on this forum.

Come on people, some of you are really the definition of blind zeal about beleiving that it was the Right Thing to do. There is simply no debate on this forum, because everybody always keep their position, and just throw insults at each others.

Thank you, self-centered critics, for not giving a damn what happens until something blows up in YOUR neighborhood.


The main problem, if something blow in my neighborhood, my governement doesn't blow everybody's else based on arbitrary self-serving decisions. I mean, I can understand why Israel do the thing it does. I do not support it, but I understand it, they are under a constant threat.

Do I understand USA's willing to go to war, no matter what everybody said about it? No. You really live in your own bubble.

And not just about Iraq. Global Warming, Evolution Theory, Abortion... All these topic, american people are mostly a stand-alone about these topics. You do not seem to live on the same reality than the rest of the world, and if outsiders try to make you understand, you always beleive in socialist plot to bring down your economy, or to undermine your superpowerness.

And considering that you spend more money on military that the rest of the world, I don't find it comforting. When you have a big gun, the finger itch.

And if you look at the ignorance and uneducation of a lot of your people (young and old), I don't find these number comforting.

http://americanpundit.blog-city.com/evolution_of_ignorance.htm
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/?p=97
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/pjballes33.htm (you'll have to read a little to find numberes in this one)

So yhea, i needed to let some steam off.
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I wish I could thank your home country of Canada for something but I can't think of anything they've done recently.


recently? We are loosing ton of political credibility to back USA on many topics.

However, it doesn't really surprise me that you don'T know. You keep in the tradition of your country,

2) Don't care about Iraqis in the slightest.
3) Don't care about what Palestinians do.


Gee, and you are the "good guys"?

I prefer Iraq in the state it is in than I do say France.


This kind of quote is what depresses me. And you have the right to vote?
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This kind of quote is what depresses me.


What is really depressing is that you Canadians have nothing better to do than make Canadian bacon and throw every bad singer (Celine Dion, Brian Adams) across the border. The day you guys can actually make a difference in the world, then maybe you can actually criticize what others do.
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Just so you know, Cikomyr does not represent all Canadians and certainly not this one. Many of us have flown American flags since 911. It's true there are mixed feelings about Iraq, but locally, in this city, we have had more than a few young men that have given their lives in Afghanistan, supporting American freedom as well as our own.

I wish to honour them, even if generally, you do not feel there has been enough Canadian support. This is an interesting article discussing disproportionate Canadian casualties, given the relatively small number of troops we have in our forces: WWW Link

Canada is at war for the first time since Korea, having generally only been involved in peacekeeping operations. Our government has committed to remaining in Afghanistan for another two years.
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Just so you know, Cikomyr does not represent all Canadians and certainly not this one. Many of us have flown American flags since 911. It's true there are mixed feelings about Iraq, but locally, in this city, we have had more than a few young men that have given their lives in Afghanistan, supporting American freedom as well as our own.


which I totaly support. the war in Afghanistan was totaly justified, and I do not question it.

9/11 was an atrocity, and USA were right to actually do something about it. However, it left the Afghanistan front to enter into a needless war into Iraq.

I wish to honour them, even if generally, you do not feel there has been enough Canadian support.


Mainly because we do not hear a lot about what's better about Afghanistan since we came in. In region outside Khandahar, however, I think (I did not checked) economy and human rights are improving a lot, which doesn't make the news...

But let's not change topic.
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What is really depressing is that you Canadians have nothing better to do than make Canadian bacon and throw every bad singer (Celine Dion, Brian Adams) across the border. The day you guys can actually make a difference in the world, then maybe you can actually criticize what others do.


You just countered your own point. What is the purpose of doing anything if American never hear about it? There is a lot more in Canada than stupid stereotypes, ye know
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recently? We are loosing ton of political credibility to back USA on many topics.


Not only that but your nation has been spying on U.S. citizens since 1948. Keeping track of spies in our country and I thank you for that. Your country has also been listening in on our phone conversations since 1970 and reporting the results to the NSA. This is why the Wire tap crap that the NSA is being yelled at for. The reason it is legal is because Canada does the listening and reporting to the U.S. we do the same for Canada. In each case it is legal because we are listening in on another nation not our own. LOL So thanks Canada! Oh and for all you really smart people that did not know about it I would guess that you never read the NYT when they published it 30 years ago. Sorry no internet back then.
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Do I understand USA's willing to go to war, no matter what everybody said about it? No. You really live in your own bubble.

And not just about Iraq. Global Warming, Evolution Theory, Abortion... All these topic, american people are mostly a stand-alone about these topics. You do not seem to live on the same reality than the rest of the world, and if outsiders try to make you understand, you always beleive in socialist plot to bring down your economy, or to undermine your superpowerness.

American exceptionalism is what makes us...well...exceptional.

The "rest of the world" (i.e. Canada and Europe apparently) is dying out. They're not even breeding enough to replace themselves. Must be a happy place.

It's like having a homeless person trying to tell you how to manage your finances. It's not that Americans don't listen, it's that they consider the source.

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Can you really laud the merits of lethargy? Aimlessness? Apathy?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it is childish and unrealistic.
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American exceptionalism is what makes us...well...exceptional.


Off course, if americans are the only one different from the rest of the world, it's the world that is wrong?

Call me childish and unrealistic if you wish, I just want to tell you that you really seem delusionnal about reality.

The "rest of the world" (i.e. Canada and Europe apparently) is dying out. They're not even breeding enough to replace themselves. Must be a happy place.


You qualify the rest of the world as canada and europe only? So Asia, Latin America, Africa and the Middle-East doesn't count?
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Off course, if americans are the only one different from the rest of the world, it's the world that is wrong?

Americans don't tend to think of the rest of the world is wrong. If the rest of the world wants to live with a lower standard of living, less personal freedom, less innovation, less opportunity and less control over the world's destiny, then that's fine.

But like I said, what exactly is the incentive for Americans to care what "the world" thinks? Do I care what a homeless person thinks I should do with my finances?

Is there some country in the world that we should be trying to emulate? That if only the US were more like (country X) the world would be a better place?

At the end of the day, there's no incentive whatseover to care what other countries think of the US.  The rest of the world isn't even willing to do anything about say Iran getting nuclear weapons. And so we should care whether Canada or Denmark approves of what we're doing in Iraq?

 

 

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american people are mostly a stand-alone about these topics. You do not seem to live on the same reality than the rest of the world, and if outsiders try to make you understand, you always beleive in socialist plot to bring down your economy, or to undermine your superpowerness.


Hey, not All Americans. at least half of us know that something is not right in our house. it happens, every once in a while. we usually correct our own misbehavior. Democracy is messy but it is better than all the other alternatives.
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mean, here you have some Canadian, the country that will arrest you if you say the wrong thing,


Prove this lie

The only things you can say are slanderings or quasi-religious moto from the right.
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My whole point being:

you act toward people like me, who try to make you realise things, like McCarthy to someone saying "hey.. aren't you a little paranoid and unfair in your communist hunt?". You either insult the person, or accuse them of backing the ennemy.
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My whole point being:

you act toward people like me, who try to make you realise things, like McCarthy to someone saying "hey.. aren't you a little paranoid and unfair in your communist hunt?". You either insult the person, or accuse them of backing the ennemy.


I disagree with your point. My father lost his job to the communist scare. He worked 21 months as a garbage man before he was reinstated to the police force. I understand about McCarthy and his ilk like John and Robert Kennedy who made political profit while letting the Republican take the heat when things went wrong. Smart politically but not very honest. Because of this I don't attack because I disagree with you politically but I will voice my disagreement. No one has threatened your livelihood because of your belief, no one has tried to shut you down because your views differ with others, and no one has demanded you be shut out of the debate because your view is unpopular to which ever side is in the majority. This is not the McCarthy era and there is no witch hunt that you need to fear.
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"Prove this lie

The only things you can say are slanderings or quasi-religious moto from the right."


It isn't a lie.

Canadian law can prosecute people who speak publicly, on the Internet, in newspapers, etc., and "willfully promotes hatred". They've used it to bully Google much in the same way that France and Germany bullied Ebay. Canada also is contemplating forcing ISPs to block websites that also are considered to promote "hate". They have already influenced Canadian ISPs to erect what is being called "The Great Firewall of Canada".


Global warming? The only reason some Canadians are interested is because of your huge areas of undeveloped land that you can make money off of under the new "pollution swapping" scheme. Your own Prime Minister called Kyoto a "scheme". Canadians are so full of themselves, don't they watch their own news, or do they just think about America so much that this all slips by them>
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Prove this lie


According to the Canadian Criminal Code

Section 319(1), "Public Incitement of Hatred," states that every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of an indictable offence or an offence punishable on summary conviction. A recent example where this offence might have been charged (if occurring in Canada) was the e-mailing and text messaging which was being used by individuals to promote racist acts by rioting crowds on the beaches and streets in Sydney, Australia. There is no requirement for the Attorney General to consent to these charges before they are laid, presumably because the police must deal with these types of incidents and charges in an exigent fashion.

Section 3 19(2) is the section most of the public would be familiar with when hate propaganda is mentioned in the media. This section states that "everyone who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of an indictable offence or an offence punishable on summary conviction." Section 319(3) sets out the defences which provide that no person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2):


So I guess the Canadian Criminal Code is a lie.
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Prove this lie

The only things you can say are slanderings or quasi-religious moto from the right.

Um, rocket scientist, I linked to the example that was in your quote.

As an atheist, the latter part of your statement is rather hiliarious.

you act toward people like me, who try to make you realise things, like McCarthy to someone saying "hey.. aren't you a little paranoid and unfair in your communist hunt?". You either insult the person, or accuse them of backing the ennemy.

No, I simply don't care what you think. There's a difference. I don't feel threatened in the least about your statements. I care as much about what a Canadian thinks about the United States as a Canadian cares about what someone from East Timor thinks about Canada.