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Neocon = Traitor

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I do not like the term neocon because of my Jewish heritage liberals use the term as a racial slur. I also find it funny and totally understand why it is used as an epithet by liberals. Neocon means traitor to liberals. Conservatives call them grownups. I love how liberals scream that neocons don’t know what they are talking about. Neocons are mean, heartless, cruel people that don’t care about people. Neocons want to kill everyone. I hear this all the time on my other blogs and I see a bit here on JU as well. Most conservatives don’t know, me included until I looked it up, that Catholics are also called neocon.
Neocons are traitors if you are a liberal. To be a neocon the person has to have been a full fledged liberal first, then the person sees the light and moves to the good side. (smile) I can understand the liberal seeing a neocon as a traitor of sorts. What I find funny is that liberals are supposed to be all inclusive and tolerant of others. Yet every time a person takes an opposing view they are vilified. In the case of a neocon this person was a liberal and believed everything the liberals loved and believed in and at some point they saw something that made them change their views of their life an changed position. The tolerant liberal then attacks the person with invectives that are totally uncalled for. Why is that?
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
P.S. I've been associated with Tokyo Rose, Lord Haw Haw, etc., very recently because I evidently don't "see the forest for the trees" in terms of the "threat" of Muslims in the West. I don't believe such accusations should be used lightly, because when they are they are JUST AS BAD as anything Tokyo Rose did.

Why? Because, again, they are intended to divide, to demoralize, to cut into our fellow Americans during a time of war. There are two ends to every evil. One is, admittedly, people who want to pose us as the bad guy all the time and try to undermine the morale of Americans. The other end, though, are fascists who believe that they can get out the torches and crush all dissent by labeling anyone who disagrees with them a traitor.

In a time of war you can afford NEITHER. Defeatism in the name of political opportunism is bad, but hateful jingoism in the name of political opportunism is just as bad. War shouldn't be used to promote their shallow moral or political ideals on either side.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
2ndly,,,all you and the pundit guy have "proven" and shown is the overzealousness of the right wing to attack and attempt to vilify anyone who doesn't fall in line with them. thank you very much:)


1st - I never said that Tokyo rose was anyone. You supplied the name first. That there were women doing the broadcasting and nicknamed Tokyo Rose is the fact, and undeniable.

2nd - Since you were the fdirst to bring up the controversy about Toguri - it seems you are the one doing the vilifying, not me.

You have proven nothing. You have raised doubts that Toguri was a Tokyo Rose (and those even not good ones).
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
1st - I never said that Tokyo rose was anyone. You supplied the name first. That there were women doing the broadcasting and nicknamed Tokyo Rose is the fact, and undeniable.


you brought up tokyo rose to show "treason." the ONLY example of tokyo rose being affiliated with ANY american is the case i cited. explain to me how japanese women are treasonous? we might not like what they did in spreading anti american propoganda, but if they aren't even americans, the argument about treason is irrelevant and moot.

let me remind you of what was said and quoted by you...

a person goes outside our borders and makes political statements that support the position of our enemy, that is not covered by freedom of speech it is treason


That is the definition. Tokyo Rose anyone?

you were and are WRONG! admit it.

2nd - Since you were the fdirst to bring up the controversy about Toguri - it seems you are the one doing the vilifying, not me.


no, you brought up tokyo rose in relation to treason and declared she was the "definition of it." i'm getting tired of repeating myself...see above...

ya know guy,,,when one is in a hole, they are supposed to stop digging. but you seem hellbent on making it all the way to china,,,keep talkin, boy...









Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
so,,,a myth is your definition of treason? trumped up charges and being the victim of government pressure that made people lie under oath is your defintion?


This is good, Did she make broadcasts for the enemy in a time of war? Did President Ford pardon her? So Democrats trump up chagres and Republicans free those people. LOL. How is it a myth? Taking tongue out of cheek. Rose was a name given to the voice by service men. It was how they chose to explain who they hated. My Stepfather used to say in frustration "Hot damn old Rose." It was a saying like "go ahead, make my day" It was not a literal person just a name used to vent frustration.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
So Democrats trump up chagres and Republicans free those people.


ford pardoned a traitor? is that your stance? LMFAO!!!!

and your punditry is shining thru ... anyone who compares the party lines of the major parties in the 50's to today is,,,well...i don't want to insult you....after all, you are someone who actually thinks that liberals made up the term neoconservative as a slur...just leave it at that.

i'm sure you'd rather look like a fool here than go back to your orig. article that has already been shown to be false. this make s 2 premises you contend to be false...wanna go for 3?


next...
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
To be fair, I never heard the term "neo-con" before it was used as a slur. Neoconservative, sure, but the word "Neo-Con", at least in my experience, was exclusively a Lefty insult before we robbed its venom by shrugging it off.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
To be fair, I never heard the term "neo-con" before it was used as a slur. Neoconservative, sure, but the word "Neo-Con", at least in my experience, was exclusively a Lefty insult


i'm not sure about that, i'm not sure i even care...i think this one, like a few others, have been talked to death...maybe we should all go write some new stuff, lol
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
ford pardoned a traitor? is that your stance? LMFAO!!!!


Guess you missed the tongue in cheek reffernce.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
you were and are WRONG! admit it.


Prove it. Prove that first Taguri did not do it. Right now, there is a question,she did not, but then everyone in prison says they are innocent.

Second, prove that none of the women who did it, were not americans.

Then I will admit I was wrong. But right now, it seems I am more right than you are.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then I will admit I was wrong. But right now, it seems I am more right than you are.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how are things in wonderland? seen alice lately?

run along now, boy...

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then I will admit I was wrong. But right now, it seems I am more right than you are.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how are things in wonderland? seen alice lately?

run along now, boy...



Same old Sean. Lose a debate and run away. Nice try. But you lost again.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Same old Sean. Lose a debate and run away.


still here,,,and feeling damn victorious,,,woohoo!

you and the other quack have been trying to use that tired and innacurate line for years...and i'm still standin tall as ever, pal:) get a new line...talk about yer "same old..."
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
To be fair, I never heard the term "neo-con" before it was used as a slur. Neoconservative, sure, but the word "Neo-Con", at least in my experience, was exclusively a Lefty insult before we robbed its venom by shrugging it off.


It's been around for a while (at least since the mid-90s, because I've seen it in print from that time), but it's always been a mostly spoken term in academia. It is only really the Marxists and the far left who use the contraction in print. It's still based though on the extended form which was coined by earlier theorists.


Prove it. Prove that first Taguri did not do it. Right now, there is a question,she did not, but then everyone in prison says they are innocent.


The highest court in the land - the opinion of your beloved elected fixed-term dictator, the president - pardoned her. Isn't that enough to prove innocence? What are the requirements of your court of public opinion? Should she have committed suicide rather than collaborate? Accept a post as a comfort woman in the foreign service rather than speak on radio in a not-particularly-treacherous way?

Stick with it Sean.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
still here,,,and feeling damn victorious,,,woohoo!


Ignorance is bliss. You should have said you feel blissful. Now, please prove me wrong. Please. You have offered nothing so far to do so.

But why am I wasting my time? You are a catholic hating ignorant bigot, when proven wrong, just slink into the netherworld and refuse to debate. Fine! Lots of ignorant people out there. But best to learn how to debate if you are going to play with adults, and not children in a school yard. I see now why no one takes you seriously, and Doc Miler thinks you are Col Klink. But the difference is he just repeats his idiocy over and over again. You just resort to Nyah Nyahs.

Of the 2, he is the more honable idiot. At least he does not slink away or resort to Nyah Nyahs. He just cant seem to stop repeating himself even when he is proven wrong.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
The highest court in the land - the opinion of your beloved elected fixed-term dictator, the president - pardoned her


A pardon is not the removal of guilt. It is saying that all CRIMES are forgiven. Learn the differnce before going off again please.

I do not know if she is guilty. I never said she was guilty. But there is eveidence on both sides. Sean said she was guilty. I did not mention her until after he did. Perhaps you need to brush up on American Jursiprudence.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sean said she was guilty.


i did? lol

A pardon is not the removal of guilt. It is saying that all CRIMES are forgiven. Learn the differnce before going off again please.


in her case, the "forgiveness" was granted because the witnesses lied under the direction of the government

Stick with it Sean.


i always do,,,thanks:)

You are a catholic hating ignorant bigot, when proven wrong, just slink into the netherworld and refuse to debate. Fine!


lmfao! seeing red, are ya? keep diggin boy,,,china's not far away!

and as far as your accusation. my children are baptized catholic. i guess i hate them too? when my oldest gets his 1st communion in may i guess i'll be brimming with hate, huh? you are so far beyond lame here that you'd need to catch a bus to get back ot lame. my questioning of church doctrine and it's claim to be the 1 infallible church on the planet is hardly a hate of it. my children have gotten educated by catholics...hate them? no, not me buddy...you know nothing of me boy,,,nothing.

and perhaps you need a mirror when it comes to acting like a child. your lil bratty ways are so revealing...just keep diggin there pal...it's like shootin fish in a barrel.

out of respect for palladin (this is his post after all) i think it might be nice to stop hijacking his post. got anything to say about the term neocon? or would you rather just continuing the failure of trying to "get me " on something,,,anything? lmao




Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do not know if she is guilty


I know for a fact that she is guilty. To receive a pardon the person must admit guilt and never contest the conviction. So even if she was innocent, by accepting the pardon she admitted guilt. Case closed. The topic is Neocons lets stay on topic.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
The highest court in the land - the opinion of your beloved elected fixed-term dictator, the president - pardoned her. Isn't that enough to prove innocence? What are the requirements of your court of public opinion? Should she have committed suicide rather than collaborate? Accept a post as a comfort woman in the foreign service rather than speak on radio in a not-particularly-treacherous way?


Sorry cacto but a "pardon" and being proved innocent are 2 "entirely" differnt things. A pardon means you did it, but we forgive you for doing it. Innocence is you "never" did it in the first place.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
I noticed that liberals use the term neocon as an insult but look at neocons and tell me if you think being one is an insult. Ronald Reagan at the top of the list, a staunch liberal who saw the light and came over from the dark side. Look at what he was able to accomplish while at the same time attacked by the liberals that once supported him. Senator Lieberman who was the Democrats Vice-Presidential candidate the second best Democrat they have and supposedly the two best representatives of the party but when he disagreed with just one part of the party he was thrown under the bus and they put someone against him because he was not liberal enough. Nothing like loyalty for someone who spent his life towing the party line. Winning re-election as an independent only weakened their cause because any conservative thinking in their camp is seen as evil. This is how we as conservatives gain population. They keep kicking their good people out because they actually think for themselves and that is a bad thing. Neocon is a good term, new conservatives. Has anyone seen or heard of neolibs?