Muslims upset over portrayals of their people

Awww....I'm sad

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070126/ap_en_ot/tv_beck_arabs
from JoeUser Forums
Fox's "24" started its new season with a group of Islamic terrorists attacking American cities, a series of attacks culminating with the detonation of a small nuclear bomb in LA. Arab groups are all up in a dither, mainly because a popular media outlet dares to use Muslims as villains. They're afraid the American people will become biased against them and their faith--Bu-wa-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA---ahem...sorry. Couldn't help that.
What they're really afraid of, in my opinion, is that the American people will start to see them as the threat they are, rather than the simple, peaceful people the MSM snaitizes them to be.

Now, Glenn Beck is under attack. He was recently hired by "Good Morning America" as a commentator. Arab groups are all up in a dither again, because they claim he is anti-Islam or anti-Arab. Please see the link.

I listen to Beck every morning, and I've seen his show on Headline News. He's not Anti-anything but apathy. He questions; he dared to show clips from Islamic Middle Eastern TV---it's pretty much all anti-Israel/America propaganda, all the time. A lot of it was just sick.

I'm happy the Arabs are upset; it means they're nervous. We've been nervous. We've stopped, and that's a mistake. Beck and "24" may just give us pause; might make us look over our shoulders again, and our enemies don't want that.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Somebody wanna put this in the right forum, please?.....I clicked on "War on Terror", but of course it got misdirected. thanks.
Reply #2 from WinCustomize Forums Top

America is the biggest threat to world peace, just ask any other country, including 'allies'. Ah, but then Americans don't give a **** about other country's opinions, do they?

And yes, this is in the wrong forum   

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Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Seeing as how Mr. George Bush and his fellow conservatives like Mr. Beck don't exactly exemplify 'Christian' ideals, I don't think anyone in that camp is in a place to judge another faith, or to dismiss their outrage.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Glenn Beck is a conservative. But about as controversial as an enema! Seems that it is not Glenn that has an agenda! But those who hide behind the skirts of terrorists.
Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top

America is the biggest threat to world peace, just ask any other country, including 'allies'. Ah, but then Americans don't give a **** about other country's opinions, do they?

I didn't know countries had opinions. Just people. 

I've always had the view that if some "country" really was against something they would express it through sanctions (at the very least) or threat of force.

I mean, if the United States is really the biggest threat to world peace, then that begs the question -- what should the world do about it? I mean, heck, shouldn't the world be building up their military power and preparing to coordinate their efforts to put a stop to the world's biggest threat to peace?

Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm American but I don't lie awake at night think about my country dominating the world. I don't believe most Americans do...we think about work, home, children and simply living from day to day...just like I suspect most others in the world do whether they be Arab, British, Russian, Chinese, whatever. I think there's a perception problem worldwide whereby we equate a country's people by their government's political policies. I believe the last polls I looked at showed that approx. 70% of the American people were against the war in Iraq and although we vote for those who would make decisions based on the "people's will", we have no guarantees once they're elected they'll keep their promises or whether they'll be guided by lobbyists, the party line or whatever. So many variables, idiologies, factors, politics and policies not controlled by the common man...it just seems unfair to judge a group of people by the actions of a few...

Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top

it just seems unfair to judge a group of people by the actions of a few

Strangely, that's exactly what Muslims are saying...   

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
"What they're really afraid of, in my opinion, is that the American people will start to see them as the threat they are, rather than the simple, peaceful people the MSM snaitizes them to be."



Glen Beck on Islam:

"My message is clear: Islam is a peaceful religion for over 90 percent of the world's Muslims," he said. "I have urged viewers repeatedly to understand this, while asking all of the proud, peaceful Muslims here in America to take a more visible role in our fight against those who make a mockery of the Quran. I also make airtime available, at any time, to any Muslim organization to help reinforce this realistic, peaceful view of Islam."


Someone like Rightwinger, who characterizes Islam as a "cancer", would have a hard time agreeing with Beck, I would imagine. Or George Bush, or any other mainstream person without a Tourette's-like need to scapegoat entire religions and peaceful minorities to validate their inner demons. Rightwinger asked me the other day, when I talk with Muslims picking up their kids from school, whether or not I wonder what their husbands are making in their basement workshops.

Yep, so, so, so much like the people he's writing AGAINST. For them it's the Jews, and for him it is Muslims. Your mirrors on the other extreme end are happy that you are upset, too, Rightwinger. Every dart they throw catches you right between the eyes, and you dance to every tune they play.
Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Strangely, that's exactly what Muslims are saying...


And with enough persecution, the few can easily become the majority...
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top
There's a town called Hilla in Iraq...troops came and went through it everyday on patrol...generally, the people were kind and peaceful, and we were welcome there, and children would wave...one day, no one was in sight, and it was eerily quiet...shooters had been watching, and decided to round up the "friendlies" and kill them all (including 14 children) for their lack of animosity towards our us...yes, I said lack of animosity! They didn't hate us enough...Islam is NOT violent, but people can be, especially when they are poor, uneducated, unemployed, hungry, and fearful. This was all 3 years ago...now one dashes through as fast as possible...

The jewish/palistinian question is NOT the problem of the Middle East, just a good excuse by leaders to explain off their own failures.

Few of our troops want to be in Iraq, but most DO want to help these people...only their leaders fail them. Politicians lie the same in Iraq as they do in America...difference being that here, our politicians do not fear for the life of their families and themselves everytime they leave their home...a situation that does NOT lend itself to getting much constructive work done.

If you think that it's difficult to figure out the whole Shi'ite/Sunni conflict from here, try having to do it crouching behind a wall in a courtyard in An Najaf...it doesn't make sense, and you don't really care...you just wanna get home, same as most of the Iraqis.
Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top
We have the same kind of violent, hate filled people here in the USA as the Iraqi people do...we just don't have the desperation...

I have long harbored a suspicion that there is a direct correlation between global violence and location...the hotter it is, the more violence there is...throughout history. I'd be curious to see some research put into that, and what it stats it would find..
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
"They didn't hate us enough...Islam is NOT violent, but people can be, especially when they are poor, uneducated, unemployed, hungry, and fearful."


Hear, hear.
Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I suppose there's a fine line between liberator and invader to begin with without those horrible conditions making that line just a little smaller everyday.
Reply #14 from WinCustomize Forums Top
interesting reading... and totally 100% agree with #11 & #12
Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I have long harbored a suspicion that there is a direct correlation between global violence and location...the hotter it is, the more violence there is...throughout history. I'd be curious to see some research put into that, and what it stats it would find..


I have long thought climate influences MANY aspects of a civilisation,from how it behaves to how it progresses.

A people that live in paradise have no need to advance technologically.If conditions are too harsh,they spend too much effort just surviving.(and grouchy)  
Reply #16 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Well said, brainiac...

I suppose there's a fine line between liberator and invader to begin with without those horrible conditions making that line just a little smaller everyday.

libervader?   

We're doing good, truly...but in a place where children with cell phones are a HUGE threat to you and your squad, how do you protect yourself, without damning yourself?   

Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Where are these same muslims that are complaining about the 24 series when bombs are going off left right and centre in Iraq and was there that really aloud horror by muslims the world over at the trade center being toppelled and yet a cartoon of the profit gets what happening everywhere,seems to me their priorities need sorting before they can start belching orders
Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Where are these same muslims that are complaining about the 24 series when bombs are going off left right and centre in Iraq and was there that really aloud horror by muslims the world over at the trade center being toppelled and yet a cartoon of the profit gets what happening everywhere,seems to me their priorities need sorting before they can start belching orders


You seem to be confusing american muslims with others...most muslims have never HEARD of "24"! I assure you that most muslims (at least in Iraq) view 9/11 the same as we do...please be aware that what we went through in that attack, they go through in a week...every week...month after month..going on 4 years now. The extremists have commited atrocities that few can even imagine...especially the Mahdi. I don't know what would happen if we left Iraq (my crystal ball is in the shop  ), but I doubt that things would improve...as I said before - it's tough to sort out your priorities when you're afraid to poke your head out the door...#1 priority is to live. Even as an MNF soldier in Iraq, we don't have it near as bad as the local civilian population. I could at least understand if they were attacking US, but they aren't often these days...just each other (and civilians at that) - now WTF is the purpose of that? As things are, we're just in the way of the 2 sides...but their conflict would have happened sooner or later, with or without our "help".
Reply #19 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Mr Rightwinger doesn't understand that his view is dead. From what I can see this sort of thinking has done more harm than good. He might as well say "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", this kind of thinking just creates more hate.

Having said that I'm not saying that the U.S. should be a nation of patsies.

What has happened is that our government has messed it up. The Neocons invaded Iraq in order to control the oil, the region. This just showed the Muslim world that the U.S. government is an enemy. This was a very Imperialist action by America.

Most Muslims would have no problem if the U.S. had gone after the terrorists that attacked the U.S. No one in their right mind would criticize the right of a people to defend themselves but this isn't what has happened. The tragic events of 9/11 have been used in a way that has just made this situation worse and allowed our enemies to advance their own terrorist agenda.
Reply #20 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Until Christians/catholics etc. are represented as evil, I think the Muslims have a valid whine.   
Reply #21 from WinCustomize Forums Top
As far as I'm concerned..."All" religious nuts/gangs with guns are dangerous thugs and they should be all be abolished. More people have died in the name of some invisible god than anything. 77 virgins?!...give me a break...seriously...who thinks of this crap...besides...after 5 virgins...you'd want a pro. And don't they lock people in rubber rooms for talking to invisible people? If all these religions spent half as much time actually practicing they're so-called peaceful religions they wouldn't have time for violence. And then you have the pope...who doesn't really believe or have faith in his God....driving around in his little bulletproof pope mobil...ok...he's got faith...just not THAT much!

Quite frankly, I've had it up to my eyeballs with all religions. Believe what you want...in fact I'd fight (figuratively speaking) for your right to believe it...but keep it to yourself...behind closed doors...and stay the hell out of politics!

Now...let the flogging begin!
Reply #22 from WinCustomize Forums Top
How are we supposed to respect a religous group (muslims)that alters laws (temporary marriages)so that prostitution becomes OK in the eyes of their gods? Asinine I tell ya.   
Reply #23 from WinCustomize Forums Top
We have the same kind of violent, hate filled people here in the USA as the Iraqi people do...we just don't have the desperation...


True
Reply #24 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I mean, if the United States is really the biggest threat to world peace, then that begs the question -- what should the world do about it? I mean, heck, shouldn't the world be building up their military power and preparing to coordinate their efforts to put a stop to the world's biggest threat to peace?

The country with the single most number of nukes? Also the very same country that has actually used one in war?
There is is other means of dealing with threat than blasting the hell out of them. As you said, sanctions. But it's a political minefield and getting someone to agree on anything... Just look at the EU, takes bloody ages for them to agree on anything if they ever do.
And you also got the problem that there are so many things that are reliant on import/export with the US that setting up sanctions would probably cause more problem for those who sanction than US.
Reply #25 from WinCustomize Forums Top
The country with the single most number of nukes? Also the very same country that has actually used one in war?


Don't think for even a second that they wouldn't use them on Israel & the US if they had the chance...THEY wouldn't mull over it for a second. Deterrence won't have any effect in that situation, though..and unlike Russia & the Ukraine, we KNOW where our nukes are!

As you said, sanctions. But it's a political minefield and getting someone to agree on anything... Just look at the EU, takes bloody ages for them to agree on anything if they ever do.


Sanctions are a joke...there will ALWAYS be someone who will circumvent them willingly...even if just out spite. Remember the Iraq oil for food? Lots of oil was sold, but ask Iraqi villagers about the food.

Maybe we need to form an exploratory committee to look into the chances of gaining enough support to form a committee to investigate the possible formation of a committee to oversee the UN?       

It's amazing that ANYTHING gets accomplished these days...way too much rhetoric, and not enough caring...and the troops on the ground are in the middle of it.