Comparing Suicide Bombers from WW2 and today

We won once and can do it again

There was a religious angle to the ‘divine wind’ Kamikaze pilots of WW2 Japan. The Emperor was descended from the Gods. Shinto religion as practiced within the military of the time, was a motive to the warrior culture.

That is why unconditional surrender was demanded of the Japanese. You have to  undeify any man who is supposed to be a God. If not, the people following him, will believe in their right to perform any deed, that serves the holy cause. As we know the Japanese believed that their Emperor was a living embodiment of GOD.

Muhammad is dead, but his holy path has not been disproved. His suicidal followers are rewarded with praise, and honor to their families. The living see this, and see the west recoil, and so they believe in the holiness of suicide.

It may take a great horror to shock such a culture into defeat.

Suicide attacks are actually a sign that they are losing or a sign that they cannot succeed with anything less.

It is a desperate tactic, and one that is incredibly wasteful of the ranks of the attackers. Remember, a suicide attacker CANNOT BE USED AGAIN, unlike a conventional military unit. In order for the side utilizing suicide bombers to be stopped, it will require a shock to their collective system, an event that changes everything as far as the attacker is concerned’; an event that drives home that the eventual “end game” is total annihilation.

The use of 2 atomic bombs in Japan was one such event. The Japanese were faced with genocide if they didn’t surrender. Just 2 weapons killed outright 150,000 people. It was “the handwriting on the wall” that drove home to the Japanese government emotionally what they already knew logically — that they were going to Lose  many more people if they didn’t surrender. Yes, there is a question that had the Allies not demanded unconditional surrender, the Japanese might have been willing to surrender earlier. But this would be the wrong assumption because “surrender” was absolute anathema to the Japanese warrior culture. Better death (seppuku), by their own hand, than surrender to an enemy.

Their brutal, murderous treatment of POWs (the Bataan Death march, the many prison camp, etc.), was a reflection on their belief that people who surrender are lower than the lowest animal, and no longer worthy of being treated decently.

It is going to take a similar event comparable to the Atomic bomb blasts” to end the suicide bombers in Gaza and the West Bank. To end the Islamic Fascists total war against western countries, the horror of this continuing war in Iraq, to stop Iran's acquisition of Nuclear weapons

know that this is a harsh concept to grasp — and a harsh one to even state. But we Know that the Muslims have already “groomed” the next generation of Western culture and Jew Haters, and they certainly do not have much else to negotiate with (as if they were interested in negotiating, that is).

The relentless attacks on the west and Israel by the suicide bombers, bolstered by their religious fanaticism, leaves us little room to maneuver, except to do something so horrendous in return they no longer want to continue to fight, but live in peace.

 

 

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This is an outstanding Analysis and comparison.  The similarities are striking, and while perhaps 'back of the mind' type of awareness, I have not seen it before or thought of it.  But once stated, it does have a ring of truth to it.

The similarities of the enemy are very obvious once pointed out.  However, the WILL to win, the chutzpah to do what is necessary, between 1945 and today is the missing part.  You kind of glossed over that, and I do understand why. 

Some vilify Truman to this day, even though he saved, by conservative estimates, about a million allied lives, and 10 times that of enemy lives.  And the real end result is that the world is a much better place for his decisions.

Instead of dealing with the problem, the world would rather suffer a thousand cuts that bleed millions, and perhaps billions of lives.  So that the horror of war (note below) will never be seen again.

Note:  Someone, I do not recall who, said that the worst invention of war was the smart bomb.  Why?  because now it is expected that colateral damage will be kept to a minimum.  But war is not 2 warriors dueling in an arena.  It is death and destruction.  And the civilized world has lost the stomach for colateral damage.  As long as one side does not consider it, then the other side will always have the advantage.  One can easily argue that the pentagon was a military target.  Only fools and idiots would argue that the WTC towers were.  Yet the other side has shown that they not only dont mind colateral damage, they revel in it.

A weapon unused is a useless weapon.

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Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, January 02, 2007
This is an outstanding Analysis and comparison. The similarities are striking, and while perhaps 'back of the mind' type of awareness, I have not seen it before or thought of it. But once stated, it does have a ring of truth to it.

thank you so much I have been working on this for around a week, reworking it over and over till it sounded sane and cohesive. We have done this dance with suicide bombers before, but I think we have for the most part forgotten it. We need to remember our resolve and do what is necessary to win, however that looks. If we just do the unspeakable one time we can end this madness, truly peace can only be had through fear, make the Islamic nuts fear us enough to leave us alone.

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A good article but it does leave out one thing : The leaders of the suicide bombers do not care that their followers cannot be used again. In fact it works for them because it serves to drain people who might be useful and vital to their culture. Prosperity is the enemy to the Imams and power-monger of the Islamist world. The way for these men to retain power is to have a miserable and poor population base to draw from. A highly motivated young mn is better spent on a cafe full fo civilians rather than starting his own business or contributing to their society. This is why Hamas and Hebollah always destroy any economic investment in their respective territories.

Affluent happy people won't give you total control of their lives.

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Affluent happy people won't give you total control of their lives.


Jim Jones, heaven's Gate. etc. etc. etc.   
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Jim Jones, heaven's Gate. etc. etc. etc.


Indeed but these were very small percentages of society. The rest of society barely tolerates these sorts of folks and certainly doesn't encourage them. Take the same movements into poor dicontented societies and the number of recruits grows huge and the level of control starts to include even those who are not mentally disturbed.
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(Citizen)greywarJanuary 2, 2007 15:14:49


good article but it does leave out one thing : The leaders of the suicide bombers do not care that their followers cannot be used again. In fact it works for them because it serves to drain people who might be useful and vital to their culture. Prosperity is the enemy to the Imams and power-monger of the Islamist world. The way for these men to retain power is to have a miserable and poor population base to draw from. A highly motivated young mn is better spent on a cafe full fo civilians rather than starting his own business or contributing to their society. This is why Hamas and Hebollah always destroy any economic investment in their respective territories.
Affluent happy people won't give you total control of their lives.


real good point. now if we destroy hamas and hezbollah holding they might sing another tune.
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Indeed but these were very small percentages of society. The rest of society barely tolerates these sorts of folks and certainly doesn't encourage them. Take the same movements into poor dicontented societies and the number of recruits grows huge and the level of control starts to include even those who are not mentally disturbed.


I just wanted to point out that psychos exist everywhere. But your qualification above is better. Remove the poor tho, except perhaps for the mental level. After all, India has a huge poor population, and other than some "well to do" nuts, they are not violent.

ANy part of a society can breed psychos. However, for a society to breed psychos as its main product is perverted. I think that is what you were trying to say, I was just trying to point the thread in thaT direction.
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Any part of a society can breed psychos. However, for a society to breed psychos as its main product is perverted. I think that is what you were trying to say, I was just trying to point the thread in that direction.
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, January 02, 2007

and by the way they teach Islam and the way they are being brought up to love mayrterdom that is just what is happening, a whole new generation with nothing on their mind but bringing death to themselves and to others.

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Muhummad is not deified by Muslims, He whom Muslims deify is exactly He whom Jews and Christians deify. Or so people say. If we doubt this, we start sliding down a slippery slope to the conclusion that no two human beings worship the same Deity. The question is how do we empoer the majority of Muslims, perhaps, to my view, the only genuine Muslims, who do have a problem with the suicide bombing of civilians.

In order for Christians and Jews to have any hope of fostering a political culture of peace in the Islamic world, they must first foster a political culture of peace in their own worlds. To paraphrase a Jew, who hapens to be well respected among Christians, bfore removeing the mote from our neighbors eye, we should try removing the beam from our own,
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The question is how do we empoer the majority of Muslims, perhaps, to my view, the only genuine Muslims, who do have a problem with the suicide bombing of civilians.

They need to empower themselves. They need to be out in the streets calling for fatwas on terrorists in the same way that the terror supporters take to the streets everytime something bad happens to a Western city or when their puppet masters tell them to protest something. They need to empower themselves to be a force within their own society. We can't do it for you.

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(Anonymous)Andrew BonifaceJanuary 3, 2007 00:42:09


In order for Christians and Jews to have any hope of fostering a political culture of peace in the Islamic world, they must first foster a political culture of peace in their own worlds. To paraphrase a Jew, who hapens to be well respected among Christians, bfore removeing the mote from our neighbors eye, we should try removing the beam from our own,


no offense, but you do not know what you are talking about. because your neighbor keeps his yard dirty does not mean it is ok for you to do the same thing.
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(Citizen)greywarJanuary 3, 2007 10:54:18


The question is how do we empoer the majority of Muslims, perhaps, to my view, the only genuine Muslims, who do have a problem with the suicide bombing of civilians.

They need to empower themselves. They need to be out in the streets calling for fatwas on terrorists in the same way that the terror supporters take to the streets everytime something bad happens to a Western city or when their puppet masters tell them to protest something. They need to empower themselves to be a force within their own society. We can't do it for you.


when the Muslims start respecting other religions the way they demand their religion be respected that would be a good start. The muslims have no problem with depicting Jews drinking blood from children, but heaven forbid you draw a picture of the Prophet doing anything at all, then holy hell breaks lose.
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excellent analysis...i'm not sure if i agree with everything, but the argument holds water. maybe not the only answer, but probably some of the best rationale by a "hawk."
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(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1January 3, 2007 13:48:52


excellent analysis...i'm not sure if i agree with everything, but the argument holds water. maybe not the only answer, but probably some of the best rationale by a "hawk."


thank you.. and yes no arguement from me about me being a hawk, although AMERICAN EAGLE fits me better. heh
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AMERICAN EAGLE fits me better


ModMan? You like to wear teen clothes? Or do you go into that store just to check out the honeys?

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ModMan? You like to wear teen clothes? Or do you go into that store just to check out the honeys?


At his "advanced" age all "we" can do, is check them out!
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At his "advanced" age all "we" can do, is check them out!


Not even then! I see them and think "they are my duaghters age". Oy!
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This is a really shallow analysis. Muslims don't worship Muhammad, they respect him as a prophet of God, but ultimately, he is a man. Suicide bombing has never been a historical part of Islamic culture, or religion. The concept evolved out of martyrdom of a soldier, fighting in a war, who dies while fighting against the enemy. This concept exists in all societies, including all Western civilizations. There are hundreds of war movies that glorify the lone soldier sacrificing himself to save his fellow men while taking it to the enemy side.

The thing you fail to see, though you are grasping at it, is the desperation that these suicide bombers feel, their helplessness. In all of these cases, usually the poor, desperate, and half psychotic teens are recruited from the ranks of those whose lives have already been irrevocably damaged by the occupying enemy force, whether it is Israel in the Occupied Territories, or the American soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe their little sister was maimed by an American bullet or bomb. Maybe their older brother was shot dead while protesting Israeli occupation and apartheid. Maybe their entire family was blown up by a stray (!) American bomb that went off course and blew up their ancestral home. These people are DAMAGED and VULNERABLE.

If there was a clear "front", and they had the ability to confront their enemies directly, with equivalent weapons, they would do it. The reality is that this isn't possible. The conquerors of today use stand-off weapons, such as missiles, or bombers that fly high in the air, to attack them. Where there are soldiers, they come in after saturation bombing. I'm not saying that they should fight "mano-a-mano", but there is no realistic way for these people to "fight back", and this is what spurs the suicide bombings.

How do you solve it? First of all, get out of the Arab lands. Make a just peace in Israel for BOTH the Israelis and Palestinians. Let people rebuild without the cultural hegemony, and there might be some hope. People talk about reconstruction, look at the examples of Germany and Japan after WW2 - in both cases, the economies were allowed to recover, and rebuild, while their own cultural values were preserved.

The difference? America didn't really care about the value of Japan or Germany, but they'll never let go of the teat of Arab oil.

The other thing to realize - in the Arab world, Jew==Israeli==Zionist Occupier. All Jews in Israel must serve in the army, therefore all Jews in Israel are part of the occupying force suppressing the Palestinians. In North America, this isn't true. Muslims don't hate Jews, they hate the Zionist occupiers in Israel, and those that support them.

I pray to the God of Abraham, and Jesus, and Moses, and Noah, and Adam, and Muhammad, that He gives us a path to a just peace, and lets us all live together in Harmony in His way.

AoD
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Suicide bombing has never been a historical part of Islamic culture,

This statement alone demonstrates how divorced from reality you are my friend. If this wasn't a part of Islamic culture then Muslims would take to the streets in outrage whenever a homicide bomber blows themselves up. Let me know when that starts happening.

To boot you say that they are not part of your culture and then spend a full 3 paragraphs making excuses for why they do it and then suggesting that the fault is Israel's. Congrat's on your remarkably advanced cognitive dissonance.

 

Here is a nice current link showing a former Fatah minister explaining how palestinians support Al-Qaeda and actually hate America more than Al-Qaeda does. Not part of your culture too?

 

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The thing you fail to see, though you are grasping at it, is the desperation that these suicide bombers feel, their helplessness

This is a really shallow analysis.

No one need read further than those 2 statements to realize you did not read the article, or having done so, failed to understand it.  Listen anon troll - THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.

Does shouting help you understand the stupidity of your first statement?

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As demonstrated by some of the asinine comments made here, winning a war against murderous scum who intentionally target women and children isn't Politically Correct these days.

Excellent article MM.
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Muhummad is not deified by Muslims


You are close. But the truth is that Muhammed SHOULDN'T be deified by Muslims.

Islam is prescriptive, not descriptive.

The facts on the ground do imply that Muhammed is indeed deified by today's Muslims. Have you seen their reactions when they believe somebody insulted Muhammed? Do you remember what many of them think about drawing pictures of Muhammed (a common element of Islamic art a few centuries ago no less!)? Do you realise how much they claim they love Muhammed, how they now idolise him, how they do not allow criticism of anything Muhammed said or did?



The thing you fail to see, though you are grasping at it, is the desperation that these suicide bombers feel, their helplessness.


That's idiotic. The attackers of 911 were not "helpless" and bombing a Shia mosque in Iraq has nothing, but really and absolutely NOTHING to do with American troops or oppression.

If you want helpless, go to sub-Saharan Africa, where people starve.

But a people who are able to launch constant attacks on Jews and still hope they can finally kill them all are not "helpless", unless the definition of "helpless" has changed into something Jew-related.

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Muslims don't hate Jews, they hate the Zionist occupiers in Israel, and those that support them.


Is that why Nasrallah asked all Jews to come to Israel so he can kill them in one place?

Once the Arabs no longer occupy Christian and Jewish holy land we can talk about the evils of current occupation.


Maybe their older brother was shot dead while protesting Israeli occupation and apartheid.


Maybe their older brother was shot dead while trying to kill 20 Jews? Israelis do not check mall visitors for bombs because they fear protests against apartheid, you know.



Make a just peace in Israel for BOTH the Israelis and Palestinians.


That chance was given to the Arabs several times. They rejected it. A "just peace" in the Arab sense is here the death of middle-eastern Jews. Most Arab countries are already Jew-free. But are they at peace?



look at the examples of Germany and Japan after WW2 - in both cases, the economies were allowed to recover, and rebuild, while their own cultural values were preserved.


Yes, AFTER the countries were completely destroyed, surrendered, and gave up their hate-filled culture of the past.

You will notice that Jews do not blow themselves up in German restaurants and that German refugees from Poland did not blow themselves up in Polish kindergartens.



get out of the Arab lands.


Difficult. Kuwait and Iraq want American troops, as do some of the Gulf emirates. What you propose is to ignore the wishes of the Arab people in these countries and do what the terrorists want. And that would somehow achieve what, exactly?

Are you under the impression that there was peace in Iraq and Kuwait before western troops were stationed there?



America didn't really care about the value of Japan or Germany, but they'll never let go of the teat of Arab oil.


Oddly enough German's and Japan's economies are a lot more valuable than "Arab" oil.

And Germany's and Japan's economies are the products of German and Japanese labour, "Arab oil" has nothing to do with Arabs. "Arab oil" is Arab in the same sense that the the Grand Canyon is American. Both exist and existed not because but in spite of the people who claim ownership of it. But try to find a German car in the wild, without German influence.



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AMERICAN EAGLE fits me better


ModMan? You like to wear teen clothes? Or do you go into that store just to check out the honeys?


these days whwen I see a "honey" all I can think is "does she do windows"?
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(Anonymous)Angel of DarknessJanuary 3, 2007 17:49:57


This is a really shallow analysis. Muslims don't worship Muhammad


if you think this is true why don't you stand somewhere in a muslim area and shout Muhammad blows and see what happens to you.

the rest of your reply is nothing but excuse making for murderers.