It's disgusting, it's vile, distasteful, insensitive, cruel, unusual, and immature.

Yeah, that pretty much sizes up Franz Kafka, Dostoevsky, Luis Bunuel, and many other great artists of our times. Mind you, this comic is a rather pale immitation of anything devised by a master, and the drawing could have been done in much finer detail to convey a deeper sense of irony, but I think conceptually the kids were on the mark in their observation of the Holocaust industry, which effectively makes a carnival of gratuitious emotions, politically correct social branding, and taboo key phrases and images relating to the Holocaust. I don't think this is conducive to really understanding the Holocaust, but I do think the comic is conducive to understanding the Holocaust industry.

Needless to say, it would have been disgusting had it featured *ANY* other type of person, minority OR majority, being knocked into an oven.

I'm sure if it had been Hansel and Gretel you wouldn't be complaining.

It is never funny to joke about someone's misfortunes.

Utter nonsense. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. Don't even try to play that moral highroad on me.

And the Holocaust is more than just a misfortune.

No it's not. Don't you get it? It's a great misfortune, but that's all it is! It's not sacred ground, it's not devoid of its own cruel humor, it's not an 'event of religious proportions', whatever that might be. It won't go away if we keep taking it so seriously, and it won't come again if we take a more detatched view of it.

I see we have brought out at least some of the KKK's nominal apologists.

I hope you're not talking about me, buddy.

Yeah, that pretty much sizes up Franz Kafka, Dostoevsky, Luis Bunuel, and many other great artists of our times. Mind you, this comic is a rather pale immitation of anything devised by a master, and the drawing could have been done in much finer detail to convey a deeper sense of irony, but I think conceptually the kids were on the mark in their observation of the Holocaust industry, which effectively makes a carnival of gratuitious emotions, politically correct social branding, and taboo key phrases and images relating to the Holocaust. I don't think this is conducive to really understanding the Holocaust, but I do think the comic is conducive to understanding the Holocaust industry.

When you think about it, all those racist jokes (including that one about a thousand Jews in the ashtray) and porn on the Internet and tentacle rape porn from Japan actually contain deep satirical imagery and social commentary.

Utter nonsense. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. Don't even try to play that moral highroad on me.

I'll laugh at people's misfortune, but I won't laugh about real events in which people were raped or killed. It's like that football that was just killed. I think most people wouldn't find that amusing, but I'm sure some people can find ways to turn those who are poking fun at it into satirical geniuses.

No it's not. Don't you get it? It's a great misfortune, but that's all it is! It's not sacred ground, it's not devoid of its own cruel humor, it's not an 'event of religious proportions', whatever that might be. It won't go away if we keep taking it so seriously, and it won't come again if we take a more detatched view of it.

Would trivializing the matter stop it from happening? I don't see how it would. As for making it go away, many things would go away if people stopped taking it so seriously, like the trauma from rape, paedophilia, murder, and other atrocities done to people. Perhaps we should start calling those who are traumatized or offended by such acts to get over it and stop being so simple-minded.

If by "breaking through clouds of ignorance" you mean advocating a "detached view" of genocide or atrocity, then consider me permanently overcast. No amount of elevated vocabulary can conceal the revolting depths of your philosophy.

When you think about it, all those racist jokes (including that one about a thousand Jews in the ashtray) and porn on the Internet and tentacle rape porn from Japan actually contain deep satirical imagery and social commentary.

Probably not, but if you can't appreciate the differences and similarities between pornography and dark humor, it doesn't make a difference. Think about the cartoon again. Who was it making fun of? The Jew? The person who is trying to knock him into the oven? The society that holds a holocaust festival (The holocaust museum?)? Is there a 'persecution complex' that causes scenes like these to become social mythology? Think of the movies, and the rather embarrassing (IMO) Hollywood style holocaust dramas (Schindler's List, the Pianist, Life is Beautiful) that the Oscars have celebrated. Everything's fake, I tell you, and you are the fool for solemnly following along.

Would trivializing the matter stop it from happening? I don't see how it would. As for making it go away, many things would go away if people stopped taking it so seriously, like the trauma from rape, paedophilia, murder, and other atrocities done to people. Perhaps we should start calling those who are traumatized or offended by such acts to get over it and stop being so simple-minded.

Again, the comic is not trivializing it - it does not have that power - it is satirizing the way society's expression of the Holocaust trivializes the event by solemnizing it. For solemnity is such a conclusive, funereal, and boring way of thinking. Fine as a social formality, but social formalities are dead, and history is alive. The next Hitler won't wear a moustache, and he probably won't cremate bodies. The comic doesn't want us to think in the same tired patterns of victimization and travesty, It wants us to think about ourselves.

You called yourself those things with your own posts son. I just licked the label and placed where it was so obviously required.

You called yourself those things with your own posts son. I just licked the label and placed where it was so obviously required.

Well if the label of KKK is required in situations where truthfulness is not desired, I guess you can justify your words perfectly. However I don't think falsities are desirable in this case. You are a perfect example of someone with the holocaust complex who zealously protects its place in the holy temple of unassailable solemnity. I wish to free myself of that burden, so you spew venom and lies at my face. But it is you, not I, who does poor justice to the holocaust by worshipping it as you do. It is you who cannot properly distinguish who is the racist and the dangerous nazi sympathizer, and who is the mere intellectual provocateur. And so you play right in to what I am saying. If you live in a world of 'us vs. them', of good, sensible, religious minded people vs. horrible, racist, deniers of truth, you can count me out of your cosmology. I don't fit, and I don't want to.

If you live in a world of 'us vs. them', of good, sensible, religious minded people vs. horrible, racist, deniers of truth, you can count me out of your cosmology. I don't fit, and I don't want to.

As opposed to simpleminded fascist fools who will start another holocaust because they do not tolerate ridiculing such a serious situation versus the righteous and enlightened people that will prevent another holocaust by trivializing such atrocities?

And yet laughing and making bad jokes about the genocide of Jews will not trivialize it?

I wouldn't do it in front of children who might not understand, but a rational adult should be able to satirize (trivialize?) the holocaust complex without losing sight of the fact that the Holocaust was unjust, and justice must be promoted. Justice, mind you, and not slavery before law and the burden of morality. Don't mean to be such a Nietzchean, and I'm in many respects playing the devil's advocate here (so that you might understand that the comic wasn't racist), but I believe true justice is a product of creation, not obedience. Character should strive to outgrow morality, to will its own justice into the world, to be free and creative. It is no good to be subject to the codes and sermons of authority. This is all easier said than done, but from the vantage point of the rebellious college student with too much time on his hands and the desire to elevate his character above the common and banal, it's quite an appealing idea.

The what would you have us call you? I have some choice phrases I think would fit you nicely.

Let's also not forget that we have fascist mentalities for not applauding the comic as a work of art.

You could call what I have expressed

No, I asked what you would have us call YOU.

artists, intellectuals, maverick entrepreneurs

Those were NOT high up on my list.

humans can be better people when they are free. Unfortunately, this is only applicable in practice to those who don't have to deal in the currency of morality as part of their social existence

I think I will just stick with "pretentious".