Charles C

Bottom line

Nothing that Bush has done has been successful is dealing with ANY foreign policy issue. Bush has said we need to judge by results. I agree. On that basis BUSH is a failure. Show me ONE major Foreign policy area where the policies we have been following during the Bush Administration has produced positive results?

More experts you can ignore;

The commanding general of the British forces in Iraq has said the foreign troops in Iraq are adding to the unrest and that it is time for the foreign troops to leave Iraq.

Fawaz Gerges a scholar who is considered one of the most knowledgeable about the unrest in Iraq and the surrounding countries was on CNN last night. He said that Bush does not understand the underlying issues in Iraq and the greater Moslem world. He said the issue in Iraq is NOT the foreign terrorists but that the basic fabric of Iraq and the discord of the three major factions are responsible for the violence in Iraq. He said if ALL the foreign terrorists were removed from Iraq the sectarian violence would continue and that Iraq is dissolving before our eyes. He believes that it is likely that in the long run Iraq will not survive as a single country but as three separate countries. He said on CNN that President Bush simply does not have a basic understanding of what is taking place in the region. That is the same argument Professor Record of the Army War College made and that Michael Scheuer (retired CIA section chief) made in his book, Imperial Hubris

First of all you said Iraq did not have a nuclear program so get your stories straight.

What the f_ck? No I didn't. Man you are stupid.

I typed Iraq. It should have been Iran. If you look at the Blog itself you will see that. You can not address the issue so you seize on a typo.

I'm sorry, I thought that my last reply addressed the issue. But I guess in you sick twisted mind, if it does not follow your mentallity, it doesn't count right? You're so stupid Col, it boggles the mind to think you could have written a book at all.

Bottom line Nothing that Bush has done has been successful is dealing with ANY foreign policy issue. Bush has said we need to judge by results. I agree. On that basis BUSH is a failure. Show me ONE major Foreign policy area where the policies we have been following during the Bush Administration has produced positive results?

Just one right? If I do, will you shut the f_ck up then?

This from the same NIE report that you blabbered so much about:

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations

Sounds to me like we doing something right. However, Al-qaeda will not go down so easily. Still we have disrupted their system. This you can not deny. It is in the report. Now don't start with the "but the same report says" crap, cause you asked for 1 good result and there you have it.

Nuclear weapons are the BEST solution for any dictator that wants to reduce the possibility of an Iraq style invasion in the future!

Are you really dense enough to think the invasion style would be the same on a nuclear power? Please! I doubt we would put a single man on the ground if a regime change is necessary. At least not before we turned the time dial in North Korea back to the dark ages.

Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live.

CHARLES C


Your posts show how shallow and unthinking a person you appear to be. When I provide specific information or opinions from people who have the experience in dealing with the issue at hand, you attack me. Below is a perfect example:

More experts you can ignore;

The commanding general of the British forces in Iraq has said the foreign troops in Iraq are adding to the unrest and that it is time for the foreign troops to leave Iraq.

Fawaz Gerges a scholar who is considered one of the most knowledgeable about the unrest in Iraq and the surrounding countries was on CNN last night. He said that Bush does not understand the underlying issues in Iraq and the greater Moslem world. He said the issue in Iraq is NOT the foreign terrorists but that the basic fabric of Iraq and the discord of the three major factions are responsible for the violence in Iraq. He said if ALL the foreign terrorists were removed from Iraq the sectarian violence would continue and that Iraq is dissolving before our eyes. He believes that it is likely that in the long run Iraq will not survive as a single country but as three separate countries. He said on CNN that President Bush simply does not have a basic understanding of what is taking place in the region. That is the same argument Professor Record of the Army War College made and that Michael Scheuer (retired CIA section chief) made in his book, Imperial Hubris

Are you really dense enough to think the invasion style would be the same on a nuclear power? Please! I doubt we would put a single man on the ground if a regime change is necessary. At least not before we turned the time dial in North Korea back to the dark ages. Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live.

Incredible right? This guys seems to think that we are on some kind of warpath, that the US is in an invasion mode and that no country is safe. You would think that he'd be happy these people are scared of us but instead he blames us for them being afraid.

CharlesC

From the statements of Bush and our preemptive invasion of Iraq, what would you think if you were the Dictator in Iraq or North Korea? They hear the constant warnings from Bush that EVERYTHING is on the table and we will not accept them going nuclear. In addition, they saw our invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam.

I sighted the opinion of an analyst with 30 years studying North Korea.

His name please?

From the statements of Bush and our preemptive invasion of Iraq, what would you think if you were the Dictator in Iraq or North Korea?

Once again you act like the Korean dictator was sane before Bush came into office. His desire was always to obtain nuclear weapons. He would have done it regardless who was President. The only difference is a democrat probably would have helped him somehow.

IslandDog

I have already said his name was not released since he is an active member of our intelligence network. That does not change the relevance of his opinion.

I never said the North Korean Dictator was sane. What I said the actions of Bush both his statements and military policy would make ANY dictator afraid of the U.S and work even harder to acquire the means to prevent the U.S. from taking any action that might remove them from power. Nuclear weapons are about the BEST such tactic.

I have already said his name was not released since he is an active member of our intelligence network. That does not change the relevance of his opinion.

Yes it does. Any media organization can bring anybody on and claim they are an expert, especially if they don't even identify the person. It's not like the media hasn't made things up before, right col jihad?

I never said the North Korean Dictator was sane. What I said the actions of Bush both his statements and military policy would make ANY dictator afraid of the U.S and work even harder to acquire the means to prevent the U.S. from taking any action that might remove them from power. Nuclear weapons are about the BEST such tactic.

And that's a stupid theory col to be perfectly honest. What you are trying to advocate is being nice to insane dictators. You or any other democrat CANNOT TELL US what their plan is for North Korea. Negotiations and talking have failed in the past. I agree Bush hasn't done enough because he hasn't bombed the plants yet.

All you do is complain about Bush and offer no other solution. They have been working for how many years col? They might have acquired them now.....well.....duh. We can thank years of negotiations, giving them money, and giving them time for that col. That is everyones fault right there.

The real problem is we are part of a corrupt organization called the U.N. that lets dictators around the world do whatever they want, then get defended when we want to take action. What side are you on col jihad? Because it's not ours.

IslandDog

Are you just stupid or what? I have said his name was not released for security.

I posted two others WITH NAMES that say the same thing

READ:

The commanding general of the British forces in Iraq has said the foreign troops in Iraq are adding to the unrest and that it is time for the foreign troops to leave Iraq.

Fawaz Gerges a scholar who is considered one of the most knowledgeable about the unrest in Iraq and the surrounding countries was on CNN last night. He said that Bush does not understand the underlying issues in Iraq and the greater Moslem world. He said the issue in Iraq is NOT the foreign terrorists but that the basic fabric of Iraq and the discord of the three major factions are responsible for the violence in Iraq. He said if ALL the foreign terrorists were removed from Iraq the sectarian violence would continue and that Iraq is dissolving before our eyes. He believes that it is likely that in the long run Iraq will not survive as a single country but as three separate countries. He said on CNN that President Bush simply does not have a basic understanding of what is taking place in the region.

Are you just stupid or what? I have said his name was not released for security.

And you are taking the word of CNN. The left wing media are KNOWN LIARS col, something you should relate you.

It has nothing to do with CNN. The British General was on the news saying the continued presence of foreign troops was increasing the violence and they needed to leave. Mr. Gerges explained why Bush does not have a clue as to what is taking place in Iraq. They said what I included above. What does that have to do with CNN?

It has nothing to do with CNN.

Col, you cannot identify this "expert" you keep quoting. CNN will put anybody on the air as long as they bas Bush. I wonder why you haven't been invited.

Col, you have no solution except blame Bush. Cutting and running from Iraq is not the right thing to do. I suggest you go to Iraq and fight along side of the terrorists and help them liberate Iraq.

And from that general....

"He said we are going to see this through. He said: I'm on record saying we will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Americans. He also said that he remains committed to the vision of a unitary state in Iraq with a democratically elected government and security forces that underpin that government," the spokesman said, referring to the general.

IslandDog

As I have told you the analyst is not retired and his name was not released. That does not alter that he has 30 years of experience studying North Korea. CNN does not lie. Bush is the one who does not tell us the truth!

I have identified the British General and the other expert. No matter what evidence or expert opinion is presented you who blindly support Bush are just like him in that you never recognize when you are wrong.

As I have told you the analyst is not retired and his name was not released. That does not alter that he has 30 years of experience studying North Korea. CNN does not lie. Bush is the one who does not tell us the truth!

And just "how" were you able to "verify" his 30 year experience? You weren't able to were you? So it DOES alter the fact. In the "real world" unverifiable experience counts for zip. Just try to get a job using unverifiable experience. It ain't gonna happen.

Fawaz Gerges a scholar

And just who is this supposed scholar? Why am I unable to find "anything" on him?

Drmiler


CNN provided the information that the Analyst had 30 years of experience studying North Korea.

Fawaz Gerges was on Google. He is a Professor of Middle East Studies at The College of New York. The British General is Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff. He would be the same as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in the U.S. The British TOP General says that the presents of foreign troops are ADDING to the violence in Iraq and should be removed.

I guess these three do not know what they are talking about since they disagree with Bush.

CNN provided the information that the Analyst had 30 years of experience studying North Korea

And like I'm supposed to believe CNN? Not in this lifetime. This boils down to a "they say", as in "they say" he's an expert. Sorry but without "verifiable" proof. I ain't buying it!

What is you excuse for Professor Gerges and General Dannatt?

What is you excuse for Professor Gerges

Give me a break will ya? He's a g*d damned "ABC" analyst for Christ sake! So I think we can safely assume where his political standings are.

Professor Gerges has also made several appearances on "The Charlie Rose Show," often with only one guest, to discuss jihadi Islam, Al Qaeda, and America's relations with the Muslim world. Again, his book was mentioned more once. Although he is an analyst for ABC, his contract permits him to appear on PBS and CNN. He has given dozens of interviews for various CNN domestic and international programs, including "American Morning," "Prime Time with Paula Zahn," CNN with Wolf Blitzer, CNN "News Night" with Aaron Brown, CNN "Moneyline" with Lou Dobbs, CNN "Weekend" with Anderson Cooper, CNN "Financial Network" (fn), CNN "In the Money," CNN "Headline News," various CNN "Weekends" shows and CNN international programs, including "Insight," "Q and A," "News Biz Today," and "Diplomatic License." Every time he appears on CNN, his book is usually mentioned or quoted.

And as far as your "general" goes.....I think you better go listen once again to what he said. Because it "contradicts" EVERYTHING you're saying!

Link

Drmiler

Your link and the British general has restated

The idea that we will create stable democracy is not going to take place. That is what Bush has said is the objective to stop the violence

He said that the present of foreign troops does make the violence worse.

He wants to get out soon.

Open your eyes Iraq is becoming a BIGGER disaster every day. The Iraqi government is not able to stop the discord and we are right in the middle of a civil war. The results on the ground PROVE Bush was dead wrong.

He said that the present of foreign troops does make the violence worse.

Do you think we should leave Iraq? How is that going to make anything better and if you think it won't, what will help the situation?

I know you are far too agenda oriented to do anything more than complain but try and answer that question. I'll bet you five bucks you can't answer it without side stepping to a complaint about why we went there in the first place.

You see, sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt. We all get it. You think Bush lied about why we should invade Iraq. We invaded Iraq and there isn't anything you can do to change that. However, instead of bitching about why we went you could offer some sort of constructive solution. Thing is, I'll bet you another five bucks, you don't have the first clue.

No bullshit from your books. I credit them for being biased works of fiction. No quoting someone else. Think for yourself and answer the question. You don't have the guts.

just John

I do not believe we can stop the sectarian violence no matter how long we remain and when we leave, now or later, there will be an all out battle for control. Even though I did not agree with the decision to invade Iraq, once we made that choice we should have provided the force levels to prevent the sectarian factions from organizing which has brought us to the present situation. Our Policy compounded one error in judgment (invading Iraq) with a second error (not controlling the factions). If the war in Iraq is today the central focus of the Islamic terrorist movement, it is because we created the environment that allowed it by our invasion and release of the control that in the past prevented the sectarian violence from getting out of control. The side show that we also allowed to develop is the operation of foreign terrorists like al Qaeda which were not operating in Iraq prior to our invasion.

Our continued presence will not stop either the sectarian fighting not stop the foreign terrorists from operating in Iraq. We are in a NO WIN situation of our own making!

He said that the present of foreign troops does make the violence worse.

You didn't listen to the link I provided did you? Because if you had then you'd know the general did "not" say that!