Iraq Invasion Drives Spread of Nuclear Weapons



The drive of North Korea and Iraq to acquire nuclear weapons is not to attack the United States but to prevent the United States or any other country from attacking them. It is true that both North Korea and Iran were trying to acquire nuclear weapons long before Bush invaded Iraq. However the preemptive invasion and willingness to affect regime change by force has increased the desire of these two countries to obtain a small supply of these weapons. There is no question, if Iran or North Korea are successful in acquiring these weapons, they are far safer from attack by the United States. Now we have North Korea conducting a nuclear test. What Next?

When we look at the direction our foreign policy is taking it is clear we are moving into a MORE not LESS dangerous time in history. It does not matter where you look. Relations with our traditional friends have been strained by our policy. The Middle-east is a disaster and the problems in the Americas is clearly evident.


To give Bush and his Foreign Policy team a grade of a D- would be kind!
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Do you just write these stupid ramblings just for the sake of it? Only you can blame Bush for what the wackos in North Korea, and the wackos in Iran are doing. They wanted to obtain nukes LONG before Bush was elected, so now once again it's Bushs fault. What a joke. Of course we are moving into a dangerous time in history, no because of Bush, but because of wackos like these. Keep blaming America and blaming Bush, you guys have such a track record of winning elections that way.
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Don't pay attention to this article. I wrote it after I had some drinks with some friends. Hell I can't even remember my password so I'm writing in annonimus, look at me, I still can't spell right. Anyways, please do me the favor and ignore any of my comments. I ran out of pills this morning and can not be responsible for my behaviour online. Thanks and sorry again.
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, this is by far the saddest attempt to blame Bush that I have read on this site. It was sad enough to make me wanna comment on it.

First of all, the title is rediculous cause these people were not interested in nukes after 2003. They were in search way before that so you title is an embaressment to us Americans.

Now, you need to make up you mind as to who you are talking to when posting. You seem to have trouble staying on track with your own thoughts. First you say " The drive of North Korea and Iraq to acquire nuclear weapons is not to attack the United States ", then you say "It is true that both North Korea and Iran were trying to acquire nuclear weapons long before Bush invaded Iraq." Now make up your mind, is it Iraq or is it Iran, and don't say both cause that's not what you meat here. Oh, but it get's better : "It is true that both North Korea and Iran were trying to acquire nuclear weapons long before Bush invaded Iraq.". So they wanted it before Bush was President but now it's his fault they are trying to get it? Do you even read what you write? How exactly does Bush, or anyone for that matter, make anyone want something they already wanted, badly? You continue to talk as if these people were harmless, peace loving people that became monsters after Jan 1 2001.

For a man who claims to tell the truth as a reality, you really do live in an alternate reality. I have seen many others here who had negativity against Bush for what ever reason they have. But at least they are realistic and make you think. At least they make sense out of things and don't make up stories and twist situations to benefit they agendas. I may not always agree with their opinions but I respect them. you on the other hand are nothing but a lier, manipulator who thinks other peoples opinions are facts and that if it's good about Bush than they are liers but if it's bad about Bush then they are telling the truth. It's sad when a persons research stops at the end of the news article.

It's one thing for the Admins of this site to allow people to post their opinions on anyone or anything. But to spread lies, make up stories, sell twisted arguments and just give plain BS over and over; I believe it's time for the Admins to put a stop to it all. Freedom of speech? Not when you have your mind set and refuse to debate, instead you pound everyones head with the same garbage over and over. You don't have a clue what it is to be a real American. You claim Bush's modo is "my way or the high way" yet you never turn back on any of your arguments when defeated and call others by names. What a sad individual you are. Has your wife been getting any since you started your obssesion with Bush? When was the last time you hanged out with your kids? Have you been drinking beer with anyone else other than your PC? What was the last sports game you saw? Are you understanding where I'm getting at here? get a life. So you hate Bush, fine. Hows about you give your family more time than you give Bush and these articles of yours? Oh, and age is but a number. Your mind is still in it's teens. In case you didn't get that, you can be very childish on this site.

Have fun. Good day.
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IslandDog

Are you just dumb or what. Please read this section of my Blog below:


It is true that both North Korea and Iran were trying to acquire nuclear weapons long before Bush invaded Iraq. However the preemptive invasion and willingness to affect regime change by force has increased the desire of these two countries to obtain a small supply of these weapons. \

The issue is that our attacking and regime change is NOT something ANY dictator wants. The best way to STOP the U.S. from attempting that is for the rogue state to have a few nuclear weapons. Do you really think Bush would have invaded Iraq if we knew Saddam had nuclear weapons he could have used against our military? No matter what you say, the FOREIGN POLICY we have been following IS NOT WORKING!!!!!!!
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CNN just had an analyst state that one of the most knowledgeable experts on North Korea, a man with 30 years studying North Korea, has concluded that North Korea has decided that the beat way to prevent Bush from attempting regime change in North Korea, the way we did in Iraq, was to make it clear they were in possession of Nuclear weapons. He went on to say that North Korea has concluded they could not deal with the Bush Administration. The identity of the analyst was not revealed for security reasons.
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Are you just dumb or what. Please read this section of my Blog below:


The only one dumb here is someone who constantly obsesses and blames everything on Bush no matter how ridiculous. Do you think they would just have stopped developing weapons if Kerry was elected? I have no doubt Iran would use nukes against Israel or the U.S. Don't give me that mutual destruction bs because islamists aren't afraid of self-destruction.

North Korea has already shown it will sell it's technology to pretty much anybody, but we should just be nice to them right col jihad. As usual you offer no ideas just the usual "blame Bush". Do you seriously understand how old it gets after years and years of the same stupid posts over and over again?


He went on to say that North Korea has concluded they could not deal with the Bush Administration. The identity of the analyst was not revealed for security reasons.


HA HA HA HA. An analyst on CNN they won't identity. Get a grip col.

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IslandDog

Look at what the North Korean expert said.

CNN just had an analyst state that one of the most knowledgeable experts on North Korea, a man with 30 years studying North Korea, has concluded that North Korea has decided that the beat way to prevent Bush from attempting regime change in North Korea, the way we did in Iraq, was to make it clear they were in possession of Nuclear weapons

No matter what evidence is presented you defend Bush. Has the Bush policy made North Korea end its quest for nuclear weapons? Has the Bush Policy deterred Iran from moving forward with their pursuit of nuclear weapons? Has the Bush policy moved us closer to a peace in the Middle-east? Has the Bush policy ended terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan?
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No matter what evidence is presented you defend Bush. Has the Bush policy made North Korea end its quest for nuclear weapons? Has the Bush Policy deterred Iran from moving forward with their pursuit of nuclear weapons? Has the Bush policy moved us closer to a peace in the Middle-east? Has the Bush policy ended terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan?




Just like you! No matter "what" evidence is presented, it's always Bush's fault.
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Has the Bush policy made North Korea end its quest for nuclear weapons? Has the Bush Policy deterred Iran from moving forward with their pursuit of nuclear weapons? Has the Bush policy moved us closer to a peace in the Middle-east? Has the Bush policy ended terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan?


That is just plain stupid col jihad. I see as usual you present no other policy except the usual defeatist attitude and "blame Bush" for everything game.

Col, peace will never be achieved in the middle east until you eliminate or reform islam. It's as simple as that. Bush has decided to fight terrorism instead of appeasing it. We see what appeasing has done in the past with North Korea being the perfect example. YOU CAN'T APPEASE OR NEGOTIATE WITH LUNATICS.

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You do not answer the questions:


Has the Bush policy made North Korea end its quest for nuclear weapons? Has the Bush Policy deterred Iran from moving forward with their pursuit of nuclear weapons? Has the Bush policy moved us closer to a peace in the Middle-east? Has the Bush policy ended terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan?

No matter who provides information, expert opinion or statistical facts, if it shows that Bush has not done an effective job it is either wrong or ignored. The problem is that there is so much data and evidence that clearly shows Bush does not know what he is doing and is not effectively solving ANYTHING.

Show me which of the major issues I sighted in BOLD Bush has effectively dealt with since he took office!
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No matter who provides information, expert opinion or statistical facts, if it shows that Bush has not done an effective job it is either wrong or ignored


Col, the only expert opinions you cite is ones from people who are selling books, and have an anti-Bush obsession like yourself.

The issues you BOLD are not easily answered with yes or no. Like you ignored, peace will not be achieved with islam, so you cannot blame Bush. Show me the DEMOCRATS POLICY OF SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS COL.

If Bush bombed North Korea today you would be complaining about that. Nothing will please you people with mental disorders about Bush.

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IslandDog

That is a lie;

The 30 year expert on North Korea I sighted above is NOT SELLING A BOOK.

I do not think Alan Greenspan, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, David Walker (Comptroller General), Generals: McCaffrey, Shinseki, Riggs, Powell, Paul O'Neil, Professor Record (Army ware College) , Professor Tsurumi, Paul Pillar (CIA), Professor Krugman are selling books. I have used these people and many others as sources in my book.

The results of the Bush policies are not trying to sell books. The statistical data from the departments of Labor, Census, Treasury, The GAO, CBO, Social Security Trustee's are not writing books. All these and more clearly show what has been taking place. The Woodward Book is not what Woodward dreamt up but what people with FIRST HAND knowledge have reported.

Whenever ANY source, no matter how knowledgeable or creditable produces ANYTHING that the Bush Zombies believe does not either support Bush or cast him and his policies in a bad light they are wrong. The polls that were just released show a trend that says Americas are feed up with Bush and the GOP leadership and the policies we are following. Bar some catastrophic event between now and November 7th I think you and the other Bushies will finally be faced with the reality that none of you will be able to deny!
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The 30 year expert on North Korea I sighted above is NOT SELLING A BOOK.


What's his name?


Whenever ANY source, no matter how knowledgeable or creditable produces ANYTHING that the Bush Zombies believe does not either support Bush or cast him and his policies in a bad light they are wrong.


And you don't do the same? I notice you don't post in the articles that show how well the economy is doing. You are a defeatist liberal. You take joy in America failing, and you offer no ideas except "it's Bushs fault".

Americas are feed up with Bush and the GOP leadership and the policies we are following. Bar some catastrophic event between now and November 7th I think you and the other Bushies will finally be faced with the reality that none of you will be able to deny!


Col jihad, I already told you I don't care if they lose the House. It will only make our keeping the White House that much easier. Democrats have NO PLAN FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT PAYBACK. When America sees how vindictive the democrats are when they get some power, they won't make the same mistake again. Now what will be interesting is if the democrats do get power, will you criticize them. Of course not, because you are a political hack for the democratic party.

Remember, the democrats can't win power with their ideas, because they have none.

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“North Korea cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb.” — Bill Clinton, Nov. 7, 1993
A recent ad on the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee website opened with the words, “Security Under Bush and GOP?” It claimed “North Korea has quadrupled its nuclear arsenal,” and included footage of a tank and North Korea President Kim Jong Il. The ad ended, “Feel safer? Vote for change.” Democrats have been hoping we’ll all completely forget history. Yes, North Korea is an incredibly dangerous nuclear member of the axis of evil, and for that we can thank Bill Clinton:

In the spring of 1992 brutal North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung allowed International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] inspectors, led by none other than Hans Blix, into his country. Kim claimed they had “a tiny quantity [of plutonium] … far from the amount you need for a weapon,” reported Blix, according to The Washington Post. But covert tests showed that the North Koreans had actually reprocessed massive amounts of plutonium — enough for several bombs, reports Jasper Becker in the definitive Rogue Regime (Oxford University Press). When the IAEA asked for access to nuclear waste sites to investigate further, the North Koreans balked.

In 1993, North Korea declared it would withdraw from the Non- Proliferation Treaty [NPT] unless certain demands were met: “U.S. diplomatic recognition, the end of economic sanctions, one million tons in grain, half a million tons of fuel oil per year … and the delivery of two light-water reactors worth over $4.5 billion. The Koreans were quite specific about the sort of reactors they wanted and only these would do.” notes Becker. Absurd.

By 1994, tensions between North Korea, South Korea, the IAEA, the UN, and the U.S. were mounting; actual military conflict loomed. But then, a savior appeared. Yes, the Clinton Administration sent in none other than Jimmy Carter, who Kim Il Sung once referred to as “a man of justice,” to take a swing at peace — but only as a private citizen. (Clinton was worried about looking “weak” with the ex-presidential help.)

From June 16 to 19, 1994, Carter rubbed elbows with Kim for a few days and then “dropped American demands that UN inspections resume and that North Korea surrender its spent fuel rods … [Carter] even said that the U.S. was dropping its support for sanctions at the UN, which wasn’t true,” writes Stephen Hayward in The Real Jimmy Carter (Regnery). Without the Clinton Administration’s knowledge, Carter then popped up on CNN declaring he sweettalked Kim into going back to the negotiating table in Geneva.

It was at the Geneva talks that the Clinton Administration bent over and grabbed the ankles, despite the death of Kim Il Sung on July 8, 1994 (at which time his wacko son Kim Jong Il inherited “supreme power”). The “Agreed Framework” was signed by the United States and North Korea on Oct. 21, 1994 in Geneva. The Framework promised, as Becker put it, “to reward Pyongyang’s breaches of international nuclear safeguards by giving it more nuclear power stations.” Yes, the Clinton Administration gave in to the demands of a deceiving, nefarious, nuclear-hungry, gulag-building, peoplestarving, Communist regime.

Not only were the nuclear reactors pledged; Clinton also agreed to supply the North with 500,000 metric tons of fuel oil annually, as well as tons of grain — all in return for a promise to “freeze” all nuclear-weaponry ambitions. Clinton even provided the North Koreans, writes Becker, “with a written assurance that the United States was not contemplating launching an attack [or] seeking the destruction of North Korea.” Kim was home free.

How could North Korea experience one of history’s deadliest famines during the 90s while receiving tons of grain/aid from America? The U.S., as Newsweek reports, “did not know where most of the food was going after military trucks hauled it away.” Turns out, most of the food went to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea [DPRK] army, and Clinton happily looked the other way, eager to shore up his reputation for “diplomacy” and “engagement” with adversaries.

The Clinton Administration’s 1995 National Intelligence Estimate flatly stated that “no country, other than the major declared nuclear powers, will develop or otherwise acquire a ballistic missile in the next 15 years that could threaten the contiguous 48 states and Canada.”

By Feb. 1997, Madeleine Albright had officially shrugged off any concerns about North Korean deception, bragging: “The Framework Agreement is one of the best things the [Clinton] Administration has done because it stopped a nuclear weapons program in North Korea.” On Aug. 31, 1998, North Korea launched a three-stage Taepo Dong-1 rocket, with a range of 1,500-2,000 kilometers, over Japan, landing off the Alaska coast.

During a 1999 Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing, Albright made a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it admission that things weren’t rosy in Agreed-Framework-land: “We are also engaged in direct talks with North Korea on ways to resolve concerns regarding suspicious underground construction activities and long-range missile programs.”

In 2000, mounting evidence at the underground Kumchang-ri site forced the Clinton Administration to actually confront the possibility that their Agreed Framework was, well, a load of poppycock. They asked Kim Jong Il to allow inspections. Kim refused. So Clinton sent him 600,000 tons of grain.

In June 2000, the Japanese and Chinese were able to confirm reports of another underground uranium processing plant in Choma, about 17 miles away from Kumchang-ri.

The final Clintonian gesture was to send Albright herself over to Pyongyang in Oct. 2000 on a first-ever official U.S. visit (granting Kim Jong Il his long-sought-after legitimacy). Nothing was actually accomplished, but Kim and Maddy clinked wine glasses and exchanged starry eyes. As Albright told PBS’s Jim Leher: “Basically, you know, we’ve had such weird stories about him, but it turns out that we had very good discussions…. And he seems pragmatic … not hostile.”

Guess what the North Koreans admitted to in 2002? “[P]ursuing a secret nuclear weapons program using enriched uranium in violation of its 1994 pledge to freeze its nuclear program,” reported The Los Angeles Times. “A senior official later acknowledged that the Communist nation was pursuing the nuclear weapons program ‘and more.’”

But don’t expect the Clinton crowd to take responsibility for nuking up one of the world’s most evil regimes. Here’s a Sept. 12, 2004 exchange between Albright and Tim Russert on NBC’s “Meet the Press”:

Russert: But didn’t North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton’s watch?

Albright: No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were cheating … The worst part that has happened under the Agreed Framework, there was [sic] these fuel rods, and the nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as far as we know, and North Korea has a [nuclear] capability.”

Cheating? The North Koreans? Who’da thunk?

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COL Gene

Island Dog Lies ALL THE TIME

he has been to Ann Coulter school of pulling meaningless bull crap out of His Right Wing Butt to try and throw you off

IGNORE IT!
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The 30 year expert on North Korea I sighted above is NOT SELLING A BOOK.

Seeing as they didn't identify this "expert" how do you know this? For that matter, how do you know that he is in fact an expert at all? Or knows anything about N Korea? Or even exists?

You are too quick to accept something that is far from provable just because it happens to agree with your own opinion. No anonymous source should be taken at face value. Any intelligent person should see this readily.

These are in fact what N Korea is claiming as current justification for a program that has been going on since well before Bush was elected as you well know. Don't you find it even slightly suspicious that they would not reveal the identity of their "expert"? And are you willing to accept the word of someone who's identity you do not even know just because it happens to coincide with your own opinion?

Please Gene, do some research, set aside your bias, and come to a truly objective conclusion if you can. I know you are not a stupid person, so put your brain to use for something besides political bias and look at the situation for what it truly is.

There really are evil people in the world, they just aren't where you are happening to look.
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Please read:

CNN just had an analyst state that one of the most knowledgeable experts on North Korea, a man with 30 years studying North Korea, has concluded that North Korea has decided that the beat way to prevent Bush from attempting regime change in North Korea, the way we did in Iraq, was to make it clear they were in possession of Nuclear weapons. He went on to say that North Korea has concluded they could not deal with the Bush Administration. The identity of the analyst was not revealed for security reasons.

I acknowledge that BOTH Iran and North Korea had been trying to obtain nuclear weapons long before we invaded Ireq. READ:

It is true that both North Korea and Iran were trying to acquire nuclear weapons long before Bush invaded Iraq. However the preemptive invasion and willingness to affect regime change by force has increased the desire of these two countries to obtain a small supply of these weapons.
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I do my research as you could see from my books. I sight the sources in the text. Your problem is that ANY research, ANY Experts, ANY Data that does not support what Bush is doing is rejected. That is JUST WAHT BUSH DOES!!!!!
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The identity of the analyst was not revealed for security reasons.


Col, only you would trust the media. YOU KNOW NOTHING about this "analyst", so stop acting like you do.

However the preemptive invasion and willingness to affect regime change by force has increased the desire of these two countries to obtain a small supply of these weapons.


And that is just your speculation. They would still be at this stage if a democrat was President. I notice as usual you offer no solutions, just more "blame Bush".

I do my research as you could see from my books. I sight the sources in the text. Your problem is that ANY research, ANY Experts, ANY Data that does not support what Bush is doing is rejected. That is JUST WAHT BUSH DOES!!!!!


And we have constantly debunked your claims, showed your sources are biased, and proved your wrong so many times. I'm still waiting for that poll 200 million you keep citing.

Are you going to sit there and serious tell us we reject something? Have you totally lost your mind? Are you saying YOU don't do that? How many times have you rejected real facts that show the good things that are happening? Go seek help for your obsession.
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Ah Hah! I didn't know you were an author selling books. It all makes sense now.

You come here and spam about bush being bad no matter what is happening and who's fault it really is in order to gather fans to buy your "presumably" anti-bush books right?

Do all of your books say the same thing over and over like your blogs? Are you able to think objectively? Or are you just so determined and narrow minded that you can't see through your own facade?
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IslandDog

It is far more then speculation. The very last thing a dictator of a Rogue State wants is to have the U.S. invade their country and cause them to loose control. The natural reaction of any rogue state dictator is to protect him from such an action. The very best way is to make the cost of an invasion TOO costly. Nuclear weapons are the VERY BEST option to up the stakes should Bush or a future president like Bush decide it was time for regime change. Bush would NEVER have invaded Iraq if he knew Saddam had nuclear weapons that he could have used against American Troops if we invaded Iraq. You do not need ICBM's to use tactical nuclear weapons within a country the dictator controls
Reply #24 Top
Caracarrn1

Yes it does. For example there is a detailed explanation of the impact of the proposed change of Bush to Social Security. There are tables that show just how it would impact workers.

There are many other issues that are very well explained and documented by some of the most knowledgeable experts on the various subjects included in my book. People who have read my book were very complementary including Midwest Book Review.

I have shown what has taken place over the past 5 years and made suggestions of possible changes in our policies to help solve the issues facing our country. You do not write a self-published book to make money but to document issues which is what I have done.
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I notice col jihad once again avoided the questions.