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Who won the War? Israel or Hizbullah

Who won the War? Israel or Hizbullah

The implications of the UN Resolution

Israel's stated objectives in the just concluded war against Lebanon was (a) degrade the military capability of the Hizbollah and (2) secure the release of the two soldiers captured in the run up to the conflict five weeks ago. After launching a most savage and unrestrained attack on the civilian population of Souther Lebanon, Beirut and Tyre along with Sidon Isreal has had to concede defaeat in that both these objectives reamined beyound realisation. Of course, this has not been a victory for Hizbollah, but it has eemerged from the war relatively stronger and its political legitimacy enhanced by the ferocious manner in which its fighters took on the Israeli Defence Force. The dream of the Olmert regime of using the so called war on terror in order to receate a "new middle east" remains a destant chimera. In fact, the UN must have included a punitive caluse to hold the Israeli cabinet particularly Olmert responsible for the unprecedented destruction of civilian infrastructure, lives and property. There was a sound case for war crimes trial against the Israeli leadership which was lost because thr US did not want a precedent that would be used against it especially that its own conduct of the Iraqi war has not been very civilised.

The Hizbollah has succeeded in exposing the myth of the invincibility of the IDF. A rag tag group of fighters were able to take on a modern army equipped with the top of the lone firepower by the USA. The neo conservative new order in the middle east has now been put into disarray . The IDF has been trained to fight the Arab Israeli wars of 1967 and 1973. It has not been able to prevail in the new kind of war theat the Hizbollah has waged. The Israeli forces in its push to the River Litani lost over 100 men and by Israeli standards this is a huge loss.

The Israeli strategy of using the "shock and awe" bombing raids of the USA has cost over 1200 lives in Lebanon. The new generation which had come of age in the 1990's has now been completely radicalised and the support for the Hisbollah is at an all time high in Lebanon. Instead of degrading the Hizbollah, the Israelis have actually upgraded the Hizbollah.

Resolution 1701 passed by the uN reflects the political support extended by the USa to Israel. The ground politcal and military realities are far different. The UNIFIL now has an extended mandate to monitor the ceasefire. It is yet to be seen if NATO forces are deployed south of the Litani river. Any deployment will have to recognise the fact that the Hizbollah retains theatre dominance in the southern part of Lebanon.

The resolution is vague over the issue of Shebaa Farms. But still let us hope peace will prevail.
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Reply #26 Top
Hell, why would you even pick France of all countries? Did you post this just so this question would not be left out?


shoulda used somethin besides your history book to shim up that table dude.
Reply #27 Top
I do not know if Israel or Hezbollah won but I do know who lost-- Lebanon!


dead on.
Reply #28 Top
My post #22 gave my answer - Hezbollah. Can you not READ Dr.Guy? You just do not like my answer or the reality of the situation!


And as per "usual", you went all anal on us and posted this do-do.

Those of you that support King George are truly in a different world. Today Bush was bragging about how he fought the Iraq War properly. Iraq is a DISASTER. NO MATTER WHEN we leave, that country will dissolve into a FULL SCALE CIVIL WAR that we will have made possible! The support for Bush and his policies drops EVERY DAY. He just keeps going in the same direction that created all the problems for our country. I hope the voters tell Bush and his GOP idiots that the game is over in November


which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the question asked. Just spewing some more of your ignorant "HATE BUSH" rhetoric!
Reply #29 Top
The fallout of the war is going to be heavy for both Israel and the USA. With the Iraq war going aimlessly from one bloody slaughter to another, the fact that the much touted Democracy in Iraq, as we had all along maintained, is bogus and a criminal act of fooling the world. The American public has got tired of the war and would like to cut their losses and the defeat of Liberman shows just how serious the people are.

In Israel, the Kadima Party which won at best a slender victory thought thzat it could ride on the US war on terror in order to consolidate itself internally. The calculations have gone wrong and it is likely that the Kadima Party will not be able to ride out the fiure storm of criticism that will ensue. The political leadership of the war was so poor that even pro-Kadima Knesset members are asking serious questions. Olmert was not able to achieve a single objective though he used the US supplied arms and bombs with gay abandon. The reputation of the US has taken a serous blow and to that extent USA too has lost.
Reply #30 Top
drmiler

You go beyond the specific issues of Blogs ALL THE TIME. I did answer the question and then added my comments which are related to the larger issues of the violence in that area.
Reply #31 Top
The interviews of Moslems in England shows how the West has lost in this conflict. A growing number of YOUNG Moslems believe that they are in a WAR with the WEST and in that situation they are Moslem FIRST and English (or American) second. We can never change the most radical Moslems that JUST HATE us but when we take actions that allow these radical Moslems to convince the more moderate and younger Moslems that we are the enemy, we create new future security problems. Bush said the terrorists must only be successful ONE time and we must succeed 100% of the time to protect us. He is correct. However, his policies and the policies of Israel are creating so many more Moslems that are willing to attack us that the task to insure that 100% do not succeed becomes almost impossible. Controlling attacks from 100 people is hard. Controlling attacks from 1,000 is much harder. That is what Bush, Blair and Israel do not seem to understand.
Reply #32 Top
the defeat of Liberman shows just how serious the people are.

No, it shows how serious the activist liberal left wing of the Connecticut Democratic Party is when fueled by Move-on.org's (Soros's) money. Drawing any conclusions from this particular primary is somewhat premature. But then, you'll draw any conclusion when it suits you.
Reply #33 Top
Never thought I'd see the day when an American (soldier might I add) and ... well I figure Bahu must be muslim or something like that judging by how he defends them so much, well I never thought I would see them agree on almost everything. It is one thing to think Bush is an idiot, but when you start siding with those who protect the terrorist and attack the rest, I start having concerns over how much of a true American you really are.
Reply #34 Top
The interviews of Moslems in England shows how the West has lost in this conflict. A growing number of YOUNG Moslems believe that they are in a WAR with the WEST and in that situation they are Moslem FIRST and English (or American) second. We can never change the most radical Moslems that JUST HATE us but when we take actions that allow these radical Moslems to convince the more moderate and younger Moslems that we are the enemy, we create new future security problems. Bush said the terrorists must only be successful ONE time and we must succeed 100% of the time to protect us. He is correct. However, his policies and the policies of Israel are creating so many more Moslems that are willing to attack us that the task to insure that 100% do not succeed becomes almost impossible. Controlling attacks from 100 people is hard. Controlling attacks from 1,000 is much harder. That is what Bush, Blair and Israel do not seem to understand.


So then the most reasonable solution would be to kick all the Moslems out of our countries. Controlling attacks from 0 is easier than from 100.

Hey Mohammed--closing time. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
Reply #35 Top
Hezbollah "won" this war, whatever is meant by victory in this case. Israel did not look like they knew what the hell they were doing, not to mention Israel really didn't know what the hell they were doing. They had their chance to really clamp down on Hezbollah, but they blew it.
Reply #36 Top
Daiwa

If you are saying that Bush has succeeded at ANYTHING you are in a dream world. The situation all over the world is such that to argue that Bush has been effective is totally ridiculous. To point to the financial conditions of our country is just another example of the failure of Bush. Look at the Blog where I posted the comments of the Comptroller General and the report yesterday about how Homeland Security has misspent Billions of our tax dollars. You, like a lot of others on this Bog Site, are JUST LIKE Bush-- You refuse to look at reality and admit that this President is a FAILURE at just about everything he has done since he took office!
Reply #37 Top
You, like a lot of others on this Bog Site, are JUST LIKE Bush-- You refuse to look at reality and admit that this President is a FAILURE at just about everything he has done since he took


I think you have said what I wanted to say for a long time. It is not for me the judge whether Bush is a disaster for the USA, but I can say that for the non-Anglo-Saxon part of the human population the Bush-Blair duo have not just been a disaster but a throw back to the bad old days of the Nazis with their single point agenda of racial/national supremacy.
Reply #38 Top
I DO NOT equate Bush with the Nazis but I know he has an agenda that does not result in policies that HELP the vast majority of Americans. It does not matter what area you talk about. Our Border protection, Education, Healthcare, Social Security, help for the poor, the environment or the foreign policy and how MOST other countries view the United States. The harm Bush has done to America will become even more evident as time passes.

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Reply #39 Top
www.saveusanow.com.


In order to do that we would have to start by getting rid of you.
Reply #40 Top
drmiler

You go beyond the specific issues of Blogs ALL THE TIME. I did answer the question and then added my comments which are related to the larger issues of the violence in that area.


First off clown I do NOT go beyond the specifics.....I go after the minutia of the statements being made. And isn't it funny how "your" comments "always" seem to center around one thing....HATE BUSH!