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So What If He's Gay?

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So What If He's Gay?

from JoeUser Forums
As we all know, there has been a lot of controversy lately over whether American states should gives gays and lesbians the right to marry, adopt, etc. George Dubya Bush strongly accepts the idea of there being a new law in the Constitution, one that states that the only marriage acceptable is between man and woman. Not a good idea, Mr. President. Now the gays and lesbians of the community refuse to vote for you.

Anyways, Mr. President says that it violates the "sacred covenant with God" (Galatians). Maybe for you, but not for me. It would be a commitment between me and my partner. Isn't there a strict law not to combine church with government anyways? The atheists, anarchists, agnostics wouldn't like that...

"It's a threat to marriage" Who's? Not mine, or yours for that matter.

"Homosexuality is unnatural" I don't think so.. Many scientists have found homosexual behavior throughout the animal kingdom. Ever heard of lesbian seagulls?

Bottom line- To those religious people out there: why not hate the sin, not the sinner? I would have thought that a religious president such as Bush would have opened that moral up already. For didn't Jesus himself say it?
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Reply #101 from JoeUser Forums Top
He doesn't individually get to decide which laws we should all follow, though he can have an opinion and vote accordingly, just as you can. "We" (as the people, AND we as the government within the construct of a representative democracy) get to decide which laws we should all follow. It's a natural consequence that not every will be happy with that, or agree with that. That is the nature of individual diversity vs. collective well-being.


Of course we're all allowed opinions. But why have them and fight for them if you can't justify them? People are so dogmatic; they refuse to change their life long opinions. Why do you think so many people are against same sex marriage? No matter how much logic they hear, their opinions won't change.

~Molly
Reply #102 from JoeUser Forums Top
Of course we're all allowed opinions. But why have them and fight for them if you can't justify them? People are so dogmatic; they refuse to change their life long opinions. Why do you think so many people are against same sex marriage? No matter how much logic they hear, their opinions won't change.


People fight for them because they have justified them in THEIR mind, not yours. People don't change their opinion based on logic sometimes because they base their opinions on religion. I'm not saying it's rational, I'm saying that's how it is. Once you recognize the reality of the situation, you realize you cannot use rational thinking to persuade a person disposed to irrational thinking.

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Reply #103 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why don't we just get it over with and privatize marriage? Let insurance companies grant licenses for a small fee, and provide whatever marriage benefits they like. Some companies can refuse to issue gay marriage licenses, and all upstanding moral people can reward them by signing on. And they can pay a little bit extra for the comfort of being in the club for morally superior people. Take government out of the question all together. Capitalism alone can provide the answers to all our ethical dilemmas.
Reply #104 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nice idea, but it doesn't quite work that way. Insurance is not the only legal right given by marriage (there are around 1400). Many of them are federal, meaning only the government can give them.

~Molly